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Tim Martin

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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2011, 02:15:32 PM »

For a different sort of sandwich grilled peanut butter and banana is always tasty,quick and easy to prepare. 


Are you from Memphis too or just an Elvis fan?
Jeff-Not from Memphis but definitely an Elvis fan. First time I had the PB and Banana I was a believer. Not unlike the first time I had Taylor Pork Roll which also should have a spot on Archie`s menu-especially in Jersey.

Tim Bert

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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2011, 02:16:23 PM »

For a different sort of sandwich grilled peanut butter and banana is always tasty,quick and easy to prepare. 


Are you from Memphis too or just an Elvis fan?

I prefer mine with chunky peanut butter, bananas, honey, and a few well positioned dark chocolate chips.

Peter Pallotta

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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2011, 02:17:59 PM »
"Red, Sonny - start up the jet, I'm real hungry for some peanut butter and banana sanwiches".


I'd like a Rueben on the menu always.  And Shepherd's Pie in the fall.  And all-day Eggs Benedict.  

JMEvensky

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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2011, 02:22:10 PM »



I'd like a Rueben on the menu always.    

I'm with you on that.  I just don't know how many of us there are. 

At least 3 of us.

John Kavanaugh

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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2011, 02:22:28 PM »
I love it when I am worried about meeting my food minimum and order ballistic amounts of steak and booze like it is free.

Patrick_Mucci

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« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2011, 02:23:10 PM »
Archie,

I think you're on the right track, simplicity, a limited menu, albeit with some variety, and above all, qualitiy and consistancy

If you look at PV and NGLA, they have very limited menus with terrific food.

GCGC has a more elaborate, yet still fairly simple menu, and the food is consistant and delicious.

PThomas

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« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2011, 02:23:32 PM »



I'd like a Rueben on the menu always.    

I'm with you on that.  I just don't know how many of us there are. 

At least 3 of us.

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Jud_T

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« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2011, 02:24:43 PM »
A corkage policy is a pandora's box at a club.  Next thing you know, guys will be wanting to garage their own golf carts...

Which is better...I'm forced to buy your off-year Silver Oak for $150, so I opt for a cocktail or beer instead, OR, I bring in my own hard-to-source $50 bottle of boutique Zin, pay a $25 corkage fee and pour you a glass? :)
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Robert Kimball

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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2011, 02:25:51 PM »
"I'll have a steak sandwich . . . and a steak sandwich."

Chris Cupit

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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2011, 02:30:48 PM »
Funny timing in that I just sent out a food and bev survey.  Some interesting data but after 38 years (20 for me) of seeing this stuff there is not a lot of fundamental difference in what people SAY they want.

Ben,

I hear you and wish I could offer a very limited menu that changed very frequently.  I could save on inventory costs and provide an excellent product.  The trouble is that JK recognizes and points out that that approach really won't fly in a private club setting.

We joke that we don't really have a menu but rather an ingredient list!  At a typical club the menu must be fairly extensive and even then people will ask for and demand you make whatever it is they ask for.  For example my lunch menu has the normal--club sand, ham, turkey, BLT, chix salad, tuna salad, fried bologna (we are in the south :)) , brisket or corned beef (we have a lot of yankee members :)), burger, hot dogs, grilled cheese, quesadillas, we always have a chili and soup of the day, daily fish and chicken specials, 6-8 salads for the ladies (Parisian, Taco, Chef, Cobb) with toppings from tenderloin to chicken to shrimp to salmon.  We have a soup and salad bar each Thursday (Ladies Day).  That leaves room for 3-4 "signature" items that we can rotate on a quarterly basis.  (Chicken tender platter, Seafood Crepes, Seafood Tacos, Old CHicago sandwhich, omelettes...)

We have people that eat at the club 3 days a week for lunch and they always want something different.  The trouble is that it is very hard to take off any food item as each one has it own following.  Even items that we rotate on and off the menu get ordered as members expect you to make it if you have the ability.

For example, this past weekend in the middle of the Atlanta snowstorm we did a lunch special where you bought one entree and received the next one for free.  Kind of cheesy but I will do anything to get people to their club, using it and hanging out with their friends.  We had 90 people come in on a slushy 40 degree day on each day this weekend and it was a great success.  The point is though that we had people ordering omelettes, seafood crepes, home fries, shrimp quesadillas--all items not on the menu--but items they knew we could do for them.

Any food person knows how special orders, particularly at very busy times are killers for the kitchen as you are not prepped for them.  The prep work before those times is 90% of the challenge but when Mr. Smith wants hand cut home fries or a chicken quesadilla but with shrimp instead of chicken and extra onions with red peppers only, no green peppers, extra salsa and sour cream and sliced avocado but no guacomole :) ! that is what he gets.  This seemingly easy request can throw behind a line of three guys cooking for 90 people in a 2 hour time frame.  Same goes for a genuinely easy request for a bagel and smoked salmon (people know we have it on our Sunday brunches so we have it somewhere in the kitchen, but may be in the mood for it on a Saturday at lunch time!)

Anyway, the whole point is that dues paying members don't really understand (and I am not saying they should) how their "demands" for whatever it is they want at pretty much any time increases the cost of the operation.  BUT, if you told them here is a new limited
menu that will change daily and we guarrantee it will be good, fresh product but it may mean that if you were in the mood for "your" sliced brisket you may be out of luck, well, then, they don't understand and get angry.

Nothing can be more time consuming and frustrtating than menu planning for a private club.  I think in a private setting you recognize golf pays the bills and food and bev is an amenity that can help foster good will among the membership particualry in slow times like winter months.  FB is a member retention tool that means I will do everything I can to meet any request.  

I have a great chef and kitchen crew who can pump out good quality food from burgers to a seven course gourmet night which we do 6-7 times a year. That is huge.  Wait staff can be tough to get really strong servers as the best servers tend to work in traditional restaurants where the tips and money are better but a great attitude goes a long way.  Be friendly and try hard!

Last thing--every survey tells you people want "heart healthy" food.  They may want to see it on the menu but it is always the worst selling item on the menu!!!

George Pazin

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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2011, 02:35:06 PM »
No Bloody Mary, Rob? :)
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JMEvensky

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« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2011, 02:40:50 PM »
I love it when I am worried about meeting my food minimum and order ballistic amounts of steak and booze like it is free.

The food minimum is a marriage-saver that prevents the inevitable fights that would have occurred at a regular restaurant when the wife orders the most expensive thing on the menu every time.  That's the genius of it.  

A food minimum is also the worst evil ever created.Why not just tell the membership "your dues are $100/month more because we know none of you wants to eat here"?

The single most polarizing member expense at a club is the food minimum.

Adam Clayman

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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2011, 02:43:28 PM »
Archie,
 I'l throw out something no one else appears to have.

I'm a huge fan of smoked foods. I like the idea of having a smoker going. The smells wafting around the golf course and clubhouse make for a real aperitif. So to speak.

I'm also a huge fan of not wasting things. Smoked Brisket, if done well, will keep. Smoked fish, is the only way I'll eat Salmon. The ideas are endless and could set you apart to the point of getting people in the door who are only interested in food.

BTW, Dave Axland is known for his recipes and might be a good sounding board, if you think this idea has legs.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

John Kavanaugh

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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2011, 03:00:23 PM »
Walkers hate food minimums because they don't have a cart to stuff full of beer.

JC Jones

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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2011, 03:02:49 PM »



I'd like a Rueben on the menu always.    

I'm with you on that.  I just don't know how many of us there are. 

At least 3 of us.

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Also included needs to be frozen snickers bars.  Not the ice cream kind, an actual Snickers kept in the freezer.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

JMEvensky

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« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2011, 03:15:08 PM »

Walkers hate food minimums because they don't have a cart to stuff full of beer.


Simple fix--don't count alcohol against the minimum.This one goes over great with the membership.

Ben Sims

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« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2011, 03:27:33 PM »


Ben,

I hear you and wish I could offer a very limited menu that changed very frequently.  I could save on inventory costs and provide an excellent product.  The trouble is that JK recognizes and points out that that approach really won't fly in a private club setting.


Anyway, the whole point is that dues paying members don't really understand (and I am not saying they should) how their "demands" for whatever it is they want at pretty much any time increases the cost of the operation.  

Chris,

Please caveat what I write with the idea that I'm not directing the rant towards you or Rivermont personally.  Just the mentality in general.

This is absolutely effing ridiculous.  It's this mentality that creates trilion dollar deficits, credit crisis, NLE golf courses, and other failures.  The "ME" generation strikes again.  I like fine things as much as the next guy.  Except, I know where to get them.  I don't look for sublime Pinot at the BMW dealership.  Great hiking boots don't come from Golfsmith.  Good grief am I tired of hearing how golf is unaffordable, maintenance practices are out of control, members are expecting too much.  Then a thread like this comes along.  Is anyone in golf willing to put up or shut up regarding the exclusionary cost of golf at ALL levels?  Expecting everything at all times is arrogant and ignorant.  No matter how accomplished or successful one has become in their life.  

Yes, this is what golf needs.  More food items.  More designer labels in the pro shop.  More mango scented towels.  And make damn sure that your 4 inches of bluegress rough is mowed by a fifty thousand dollar fairway unit.  

I am completely on board with a destination club in the middle of nowhere having a robust menu.  It is necessary and is 0.01% of golf clubs.  This should NOT be anywhere near the norm.

Muccian rant...over.  Sorry Chris.  I look forward to seeing your club one day back home in ATL.  

Eric Smith

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« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2011, 03:42:04 PM »

I am completely on board with a destination club in the middle of nowhere having a robust menu.  It is necessary and is 0.01% of golf clubs.  This should NOT be anywhere near the norm.

Ben,

Why is it necessary there and not elsewhere? How do you think the destination clubs are doing with their robustness? Can't be like printing money or else everyone would be doing it. Developing destination clubs (and/or joining them), that is.

Adam has a winner, btw. Really good smoked chicken wings can be just as robust to me as a NY strip.

JR Potts

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« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2011, 03:49:31 PM »
I'm a big fan of the wrap on the golf course.  It's easy to handle and quick to eat.  For a great example, the Kohler resorts have a great turkey club wrap.

- And Ben, I have to take issue with one of your comments.  There aren't a lot of things better in life than a frozen mango towel on the course in Vegas after a night/morning of hammering vodka-redbulls.  Just sayin'.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2011, 03:52:50 PM by Ryan Potts »

Paul Jones

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« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2011, 03:49:47 PM »
GUMBO !!!
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Ben Sims

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« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2011, 03:51:24 PM »
Eric,

Just because you're tied to the facility.  That's really the only reason.  You need to have choices because there isn't anywhere else to go.  In the 'burbs of America, there are some eating establishments that I'd eat at before any golf course if I wanted a good meal and not a snack or no-frills quicky to get me to the next meal.  

Eric Smith

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« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2011, 03:58:36 PM »
Ben,

Good enough answer and it makes some sense to me as I thought of a time last summer where I had guests out to play. We played 18, broke for lunch, and I drove them downtown to eat at a somewhat famous rib restaurant next to Neyland Stadium. We ate, drank a beer or two then drove back to the club to play the next 18. Bad member? Sure, Kavanaugh will say I'm a douche for it, but it is what it is.

Mark McKeever

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« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2011, 04:07:21 PM »
A staple on my club's menu is a lobster bisque that I get more times than not.  Perfect after a round of golf.

Mark
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Tim Martin

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« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2011, 04:14:52 PM »
Ben,

Good enough answer and it makes some sense to me as I thought of a time last summer where I had guests out to play. We played 18, broke for lunch, and I drove them downtown to eat at a somewhat famous rib restaurant next to Neyland Stadium. We ate, drank a beer or two then drove back to the club to play the next 18. Bad member? Sure, Kavanaugh will say I'm a douche for it, but it is what it is.
Eric-Sounds like you went all out for your guests. I don`t know how anyone can call you a douche for that.

Dan Boerger

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« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2011, 04:18:35 PM »

My club has a corkage policy and a terrific wine list. Works really well, particularly for us wine geeks.

One size certainly does not fit all, but during the golf season the outdoor grill is (weather permitting) serving the vast majority of lunch fare for golfers that day. Basic stuff mind you, but very well prepared.
"Man should practice moderation in all things, including moderation."  Mark Twain

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