Jeff,
These guys are both lying through their teeth and playing fast and loose with the facts.
NOWHERE does it say a general routing was completed by the time CBM optioned the land. NOWHERE.
Ask David and Patrcik to produce it here and you'll hear the whooshing of running feet in the other direction.
The articles I posted, multiple ones quotng CBM on the same day (December 15, 1906) after he signed contracts to option the land, have him saying "DISTANCES, AND THE HOLES TO BE REPRODUCED WILL BE DECIDED BY THE COMMITTEE iN THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS."
David's plays fast and loose with the facts with his contention that those five months only included "DETAILED PLANNING" when he KNOWS but conveniently and purposefully OMITS CBM's own DIRECT QUOTE OTHERWISE IN THE SAME ARTICLE.
Ask to see where CBM says that the five months only include "detailed planning of the holes" and you'll be ignored and likely insulted.
HOW ABOUT PATRICK's FAST AND LOOSE INTERPRETATION...nay, WHOLESALE HERO-WORSHIPPING MYTH-MAKING WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE in the least of CBM routing NGLA in TWO DAYS!
Ask to see where CBM said that and you'll be told you don't know what your talking about but no evidence will ever be forthcoming.
These guys can't accept CBM as he's quoted, either in news articles or in his book and have an AGENDA.
Ask them to show you where either of the above statements they continually fabricate here are ever mentioned by CBM or in the contemporaneous sources during the creation of NGLA.
Ask them for their proof and you'll never see it.
It doesn't exist.
Actually, David believes CBM but it doesn't fit his agenda.
That is why he has refused to answer my repeated questions as to whether he believes Patrick's assertion that CBM laid out NGLA in 2 or 3 days on horseback. It is why he refuses to answer my repeated question as to whether he believes Patrick's assertion that ALL of these newspapers misquoted CBM.
He won't answer because he knows the truth but it doesn't serve his agenda.
Patrick, on the other hand, has to simply twist the facts to fit his fantasy and his belief that only having a one man God-King decide everything is the right way to run a club in America.
Either way, you get a twisted version of history, and these guys are arguing with CBM, not with me. I'm just the messenger.
And then these guys have the nerve to tell me I'm misrepresenting history...what a joke!
It's time to call BULLSHIT, and ask these guys to put up or shut up. They don't have a single fact on their side.
Ask them to produce their facts, to pull out the McCarthy-esque letter supposedly hidden in their jacket pockets behind mountains of green ink and torrents of personal spewed insults filling every page here that supposedly speaks truth to the NGLA creation story.
Ask them to show us their proof that CBM was only doing "detailed planning of the holes" after December 1906, or wherever in blazes it is written that CBM routed the course in two days.
I'm calling their bluff because they are both lying and twisting facts.
Let's see it guys.
They talk about me having an agenda.
You wonder why they are both so combative, no matter how civil I try to keep the discourse here?
It's because I've systematically taken apart their ridiculous arguments over the years that CBM routed Merion during his one-day visit in June 1910 and neither one of them is ready to accept that fact and let go of that childish, silly argument and agenda-driven fantasy.
One because he arrogantly and incorrectly believes he's smarter than everyone else here and the other because he simply enjoys arguing.
December 15, 1906