Bryan,
I still don't care about this highway stuff and still haven't paid much attention to your back and forth with Patrick, but after having looked at your last post, I suspect that the two of you might be talking past one another.
Recall that this highway nonsense began when Mike came up with his
mystery site where, in October of 1906, CBM was supposedly planning to build a 120 acre course stretching from SHGC along the bottom of Cold Spring Bay and along part of Peconic Bay to the
west of Cold Spring Bay. As I understand Patrick's point, he thinks that there was a highway that would have run right up the gut of a substantial portion of Mike's mystery site. Without wishing to fight about it with you or anyone about this, I tend to agree with him on this point.
Here is a map from the 1907 Automobile Blue Book. I've placed a blow up of the area in question in the upper right corner.
As you can see, the main road runs along Peconic Bay and part of Cold Spring before cutting down to the location of the Shinnecock Inn and SHGC before heading into Southampton. The description of the route to Southampton (and beyond) confirms this;
after crossing the "new bridge" over the canal one took a left on "Shore Road" which which ran "along Peconic Bay through Shinnecock Hills" to the Shinnecock Inn, and after the Inn, one crossed the tracks and joined the "old road" near the art colony. So it seems that by by 1907 at the latest, the main route to Southampton was north of the tracks, along Peconic Bay and at least part of Cold Spring Bay, and thus would have run right up the gut of Mike's mystery site. Given we are dealing with Mike, he will probably claim that this road definitely couldn't even have been contemplated in October 1906, but I think that scenario is rather unlikely. Plus, even the 1903 map shows a road along the bottom of the part of Cold Spring and that road would have run right up the gut of Mike's mystery site.
Anyway, here are depictions of the Shinnecock Inn and the Irving Hotel in Southampton, both from the same publication. These weren't exactly frontier shacks. Note that the description under the Shinnecock Inn mentions new roads built by SHPBRC affording views of Peconic, Cold Spring, and Bullshead Bays.
By the way, in addition to the 1873 map I posted, I have taken a look at an 1802 map and an 1845 map and they both show a northern route through the entire area. I came across the surveyors description for parts of the North Highway and St. Andrews Road from the early teens, but haven't spent any time trying to make sense of them (without knowing the exact location of their reference markers it would be difficult, I think) but if you think you can make sense of them, I'll be glad to send them to you.
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Patrick,
I created those pink and green shadows of the current courses on the 1903 map by overlaying that map with the Google Earth image, and things line up fairly well so I think my depiction is generally pretty accurate, although I can't attest to the location of the road. I agree that it looks strange, but as I explained to Jim, I think this is because the 1903 map has Sebonack Creek as far too wide for too far south. (The google image shows a small line of Sebonack Creek where the 1903 image shows a wide waterway or swamp.)
Were I to place the future location of 1907 Shinnecock Inn on this map, it would be about 200-300 yards south of what would eventually become the southern tip of NGLA, just across that road which runs at an angle underneath NGLA's future location.
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Jeff Brauer,
The location of CBM's old house is at an intersection of a line straight east of the space between "Sebonack" and "Creek" on the map, and straight north of the "9" in the "29" elevation marker (a bit to the east of the creek.) The house is visible on Google Earth. (He also looks to have owned another house and/or some more land south of there a bit.)
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Mike Cirba,
1. According to you, I have been
"proven wrong again and again" while
"everything" you have
"claimed here is supported by CBM's book, and George's book, and the contemporaneous news accounts and historical records of the times." Fascinating. Statements like these really highlight your veracity and/or your analytical capabilities, or lack there of.
2. I am not the least interested in your unsupported assertions about the 1916 map or the expansion of the women's course. Back up your claims. And what happened to your claim that Shinnecock did not buy any land to the north around this same time? Shall we add that to the long list of "facts"you just made up?
3. Your latest drawing on the 1903 map doesn't even accurately depict what is on that 1916 map.
4. As for your demand that i list for you all the stupid and unsupported claims you've made about NGLA over the years, that is about as realistic as your mentor's demand that I go back and identify every single one of his insulting and inappropriate posts. I have neither the time to create nor an interest in creating a 2000+ page faker document.