Mike changes his mind so much that it is impossible to address his posts in one single entry.
A few posts above he added that the 120 acre offer was some sort of an exception:
The only deviation was his offer for 120 acres near the canal, but that was in an area already being subdivided with building lots, so he may not have needed his own. It also shows what he thought he'd need for his golf course.
The only deviation? It was the only other offer! All the rest was just repeats from newspaper columns! Actions speak louder than words. And there was CBM in action, buying land based on his needs for the golf course, not for some estate distribution system.
Mike, would you please list for us all of the many offers that CBM made for parcels of land which were large enough for a 90 acres of real estate? If the offer for 120 acres was a "deviation" then there must be a bunch more. And Mike disingenuously claims that the reason they didn't try to buy more was because the area had already been subdivided with building lots.
MIKE IS JUST MAKING STUFF UP. CBM supposedly made his offer for the 120 acre parcel within a few weeks of the time the developer obtained the property. Does he think it was developed during those few weeks?
And the same developer owned both parcels, so the same argument ought to apply as well to the property on Sebonack Neck! Yet Mike artificially insists that on one side of the property CBM only wanted enough for the course yet on the other side he is planning on giving out 60 lots?
- Mike, would you please explain your justification for stating that the land had already been developed by the Canal?
- And why wouldn't the same argument about the founders buying off property apply on the Neck?
- And isn't more likely that in both cases CBM was just buying for the course, and that because of the nature of the sites CBM just needed a lot more land for the golf course on the Neck?This is what Mike does. He just squirms and slithers and hopes no one notices that most of the stuff he is writing makes no sense. If he gets caught he slithers away but then circles back later and makes the same claims again.
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As for your next post(s) you are again misrepresenting some of the information and cherry picking other information. The Founder's agreement doesn't say that was going to buy 205 acres, it gives a hypothetical of what might happen if they bought 200 acres. It was only a "suggestion." And I don't see where CBM said he needed two hundred acres upon his return. An article wrote that he would need 200 acres, but it isn't in the CBM quote. You are picking and choosing as you see fit. Besides, the acreage was at least in part a function of the cost and the amount of money it would take to develop the golf course.
Giving excess land back to the founders was mentioned as a possibility in the Founders Agreement, and it is mentioned as an "ingenious" financial mechanism in an article that seems aimed a drumming up interest, but for you to continue to claim buying an extra 90 acres of land to then hand it back to the founders is too much. The main point you seem to be missing is that he was looking for a perfect site for a golf course. If it had a place for estates, fine, but the goal was to find land for a course.
Actions speak louder than words, especially when those words are from an old letter and one marketing blurb. And when it came time for action, CBM attempted to buy a 120 acre parcel. Unless you think he was going to design a 30 acre golf course, then your theory about his priorities is shot pieces.
Next he bought 205 acres in a long oddly shaped strip with no place for a golf course. He could have scrunched a golf course into half of it I suppose, but he was out to build an ideal golf course and so he bought land on which that course would fit with NO CONSIDERATION FOR 90 ACRES OF LOTS.
If YOU don't agree then why don't YOU take it up with Macdonald. As you keeps pointing out he was quoted extensively in those articles about the project. He described the long, thin, irregularly shaped swath land, described many of the locations for golf holes, described the proximity to the hotel, the starting point of the course, the water frontage, etc. He even described the yacht accessibility for goodness sakes!
NO MENTION THAT HE WAS PLANNING ON USING ALMOST HALF THE LAND FOR ESTATES. NO MENTION OF USING ANY OF THE LAND FOR ESTATES WHATSOEVER.Do you know why there was no mention of the 90 acre set-Aside for the estates? Because he only bought enough land for his golf course, and he wasn't planning on having 60 estates crammed onto the same thin strip of property!
He did write the members could expect in two years, though, when the course was finished:
It will take two years to perfect the course. Then our members will find a golf house ready, also lockers and baths. We are not going into the bed and hash business. A modern inn is being built within 200 or 300 yards of our first tee by outside interests. There are sites available for houses, and yachts may approach through Peconic Bay. Did you get that. He wasn't going into the bed and hash business. He was building a golf course. No mention of them finding their 1.5 acre estates ready to be developed. If they wanted a place to sleep there was an inn nearby and plenty of sites for houses.
And there were plenty of sites for houses, given that SHPBRC was to developing hundreds of acres for real estate right next to the course, and they had another 250 acres as well. But why would he mention that "there were plenty of sites for houses," if all of his founders were going to be building their palatial estates on narrow swath CBM had just described as a golf course?
Let me guess? You will try to claim that CBM is referring to "plenty of sites for houses" on the NGLA property itself? Would you really? Probably. Even though he had just described the property as a golf course? And even though you don't even think he has bothered to yet consider where the golf course will go, much less the "plenty of room for the houses?" I wouldn't be surprised, but you know as well as I do that this is not what was referring to.
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Jeez Mike, I cannot keep up with your fibs and absurd claims.
You are misrepresenting what I said about those October articles. Knock it off.
CBM couldn't have gone anywhere on Sebonack Neck with the property because he had already chosen the land from the Inn to Peconic Bay with a mile of frontage on Bullshead Bay. DO THE MATH. That greatly limits where he can go and how wide his course could be!