[Nick Pozaric]

With all the recent advances in lasers and GPS systems do you still feel the need for hole location sheets?  What type of information do you need on on a hole sheet, do you want actual yardage, zones, or what?  What are some good sheets you have seen?  What are some bad ones you have seen? 

[Jaeger Kovich]

Every pin sheet I have ever been given as caddy in regional pro or amateur invitational events has at least 3 pieces of info on it.

1. Total depth of green...
2.Distance from pin to the front of green...
3. Distance from pin from the nearest side edge of green
Sometimes, if they do the math for you... Distance from center of green... vertically. Normally appears -10 or +3

Normally you get the sheet with 3 columns of 6 circles representing each green. You fold it vertically in 3s, and then horizontally in half, so it fits nicely in the scorecard/yardagebook. Always check the math on sheet. Always check with measuring device if you are allowed one during play. There is almost always some discrepancy between 0-3 yards, and you are bound to find at least 1 that is not even close! Always check caddy math as well!


Other variations:
I've seen more accurate green shapes outlined in boxes with most of the information above. Sometimes they are pre-split into 1-5 pin positions that coordinate to the day, and a starter will tell you "We are playing pin location #2 today."

I'll try to scan in some examples today. Lots of time with the weather here in nyc.
The Mike Stranz courses I have been to always have great pin sheets!!!

[Jaeger Kovich]

from: Winged Foot East round 1 2009 Anderson. All tourny rules, basic schedule, slow play reminders on other side.

from: Bandon Dunes. 2009. Simple, works for everyday play. Reminiscent of a plan.

from: Mid Pines. 2010. Probably not one I'm going to refer to a lot with yrd markers and range finders.

[Travis Dewire]

I agree with Shivas, use your eyes, thats how "we" used to do it. I think all advice outside of your own two eyes is too much (lasers, pin sheets, green map sheets, course books, etc.) I understand how this is a great great benefit to the pros, but 99.8% of us are not pro's, and have too difficult of a time, simply, hitting the ball, the less information filling the 18 handicappers head, the better

IMO a pin sheet is more valuable than an accurate distance to the pin. The biggest difference being, the pin sheets will give you green depth, distance from the front, and nearest green edge. This is very valuable when planning your strategy - where to miss, how much green to work with, how much room to land it, etc. I always found pin sheets to be very helpful in this regard. Knowing a pin is cut 3 yards from the right IMO is more beneficial than knowing its 100 yards to the pin

I have never used a GPS, so I do not know if those can be programmed for a specific hole location, and allow a user to find information on green size and distance to edges. Also, I have barely used a laser guide, but I seem to recall only a distance to the pin. Please correct me if I am wrong

[Ally Mcintosh]

I was playing with a fellow member recently, a traditional type, who surprised me by saying "I can't understand why they don't provide hole location sheets".

I stated that I would go the other way. Not only am I happy that there is no hole location sheet, I'd urge them to remove all yardage markers.

To which he stated "Oh, I'd be happy with that as well! I just think they should go one way or the other".

I'd be more of the opinion "the less the better". I still can't quite understand his take on it.

[Adrian_Stiff]

Recently we adopted: A red flag if the hole was on the first 10 yards of the green, a white flag if it was on the lback 10 yards of the green and a yellow flag if in the middle section. Costs very little.

[Scott Stearns]

i spend my whole career trying to get a much info as i can, so i love getting a good HLS at the tee...then i look at it maybe twice during the round.  

[Mark McKeever]

Recently we adopted: A red flag if the hole was on the first 10 yards of the green, a white flag if it was on the lback 10 yards of the green and a yellow flag if in the middle section. Costs very little.

Same at my club.  That's all I really need for everyday play.  We're more old fashioned.

Mark

[jeffwarne]

With all the recent advances in lasers and GPS systems do you still feel the need for hole location sheets?  What type of information do you need on on a hole sheet, do you want actual yardage, zones, or what?  What are some good sheets you have seen?  What are some bad ones you have seen? 

I'd just as soon lose most/all yardage markers but....
when playing a strange course, where pins sheets are provide daily, it's frustrating when paying a caddie $120 , to ask the question "where's the pin?", and get the answer-"I don't know but it lazers 175"
I'd much rather know where the pin is   i.e. if it's dead up front I'm going to hit something hard to spin it, and if it's in the back I'm going to release it.-Or I might just play to the center (which is infinitely easier if I know the center yardage-which any marked sprinkler or 150 can give me-but I can't figure from a lazer)

[Pete Buczkowski]

I'm a fan of the colored flag system as well.  Helps first timers get around the course and keeps up pace of play.

My course has opted out of GPS and colored flags, but instead alternate Front/Middle/Back every 3 holes.  Doesn't work well since you only get to play 3 sets of different pin positions for the entire course, since the pin locations for every hole merely depend on where the first pin is located.

I agree that in general, you can eyeball the hole location from the fairway.  However the big advantage in knowing the location is you can plan your strategy for the hole location right from the tee.  As an example, I will go for our uphill par 5 in two when I know the pin is in the front.  Although I can rarely reach it, playing from the bunker short of the green leaves an easy shot.  With the pin in the back, its better to be 100 yards than greenside so I'll lay back off the tee.

[Kevin Pallier]

With all the recent advances in lasers and GPS systems do you still feel the need for hole location sheets?  What type of information do you need on on a hole sheet, do you want actual yardage, zones, or what?  What are some good sheets you have seen?  What are some bad ones you have seen? 

Nick

Given that not everyone uses lasers and GPS units I dont mind a quick visual aid to help determine club selection - like three different coloured flags (as others have said) as opposed to hole sheets.

My home club uses blue / red / yellow for front to back following the alphabet for those that have short memories. 

Hole sheets that get too technical with + /- re: distances are a bit over the top for mine particualrly for scocial golf.

[Brett_Morrissy]

KP,
we are just investigating pin position indication at my home club.

I am not really a fan, I do not believe anyone off more than 3-5 hcp can accurately hit their approach/tee shot to within 3-5m by just dialing it in', relatively easy to eyeball apart from a few flags with bottom section of flag not visible.

It will create much more work for the super, and I would rather see him spend that time on other more important things than pandering to a few members that believe it 'is absolutely critical to our future'.

Every single solution I have seen restricts course set up, there in affecting the ability of the members and guests to play the golf courses at their best the most amount of times.

I would like to hear from any supers on here with their opinion of extra work required.

And the other issue, if the pins are cut of the edges of the 'zones', or a mistake is made, flag is red and should have been yellow, or pin is zone 4 instead of 3 - there is all hell to play.

Once we trial it, to me that is is it, too late, very difficult to then rescind.

[Jeff Shelman]

At my club, we use the colored flag system and that is very sufficient for me.

I don't think knowing whether the pin is 152 or 155 yards away is a big deal for me. But I would like to know that it is between 145 and 155 and not at, say, 135.

Another course I play frequently puts different colored balls (old tee markers actually) on top of the 150 markers that are on the side of each fairway. That is just fine as well.

[Tags:]

Tags:

[Tags:]

Tags:

Call to undefined function theme_linktree()