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Brett_Morrissy

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2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« on: December 30, 2010, 09:59:14 AM »
With '10 about to wrap - what about a thread dedicated to your single favorite golf hole you played this year and why it stands out for you.

Course. #.  One hole only. Par. Yardage. Weather. Playing partners. Photo(2 max). Honourable mentions capped to 2 only - course, #, par.
Discuss why it hits home for you this year.

Bandon Dunes #16. Par 4. 363 yards. Balmy 4 club gale. Glossy, Oby, Circles.

At least 3 options from the tee, plus shot types, risk reward without penal, we played down breeze, so much fun banging away toward the green, incredible cliff edge/ravine views, approach shots options galore, bunkering excellent, green interesting enough, but kept low key for the surrounds, loads of fun!

HM: Ballyneal 7, Sand Hills 18 ( near impossible - at least another 8 holes!)

Tee shot:


Green:



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George Pazin

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2010, 10:19:46 AM »
Relatively easy pick for me - only 18 choices - played one round in 2010 at Mountain Ridge. (If you're gonna play only one round, that's a pretty damn good pick, btw.)

My favorite hole on the course is #11 - somewhat blind drive over a ridge, decent fairway contours, fantastic green complex. Don't know the yardage, will have to look it up. Guess is a 420ish par 4 from the not-quite tips.
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2010, 10:58:35 AM »
17 at Ballyneal - I played it 12 times before I parred it.  My personal grail quest for the year.
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Wayne Freeman

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2010, 11:15:32 AM »
For me, it's the alps holes at Old Mac and Fishers.  There's just something so thrilling about picking that spot, watching your ball rising high in the air only to completely disappear,  and then waiting with a jump in your pulse anticipation to see if you  landed on the green. Walking away with par-  priceless!

Jason Topp

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2010, 11:27:03 AM »
I am going to break the two picture rule and I cannot preview this so I will go back and fix any sizing issues after it posts  [edit - I cannot remember how to resize]:


13 at my club - 350 yards

The key off the tee is getting over the ridge that is about 210 on the right side of the fairway and 240 on the left.  The fairway on the left goes almost all the way to the elm.  I am pretty sure we took the tree out in the front right of the picture.





The ridge provides the perfect challenge for me off the tee.  This picture is taken from the top of the ridge - a well hit accurate drive leaves an approach from about 90 yards at the bottom of the slope



Wheras an imperfect shot in the fairway leaves a 160+ blind approach from a severe uphill lie.  This picture is from just in front of the spot for that shot so that you can see the green.




The green is pretty severely sloped and complex so I often bail out to the middle of the green even if the pin is in front.  A short approach (or even landing on the first couple of yards of the green) rolls back down the fairway to leave this shot:



One thing I learned this year is that there is a big advantage to being left of the pin on the green - birdie putts have a much better chance of success as they break much less than a putt from the right.  Of course the left part of the green is the most difficult to hit.  I did not appreciate that difference until it was pointed out to me despite having plated the hole 250+ times

The flaw in the hole is that the short hitter cannot get over the ridge and the long hitter simply hits a 3 wood or hybrid to a huge landing area.  For my length, however, a great tee shot can carry the trees on the right and a poor tee shot winds up in a very awkward position.  

Here is a view from behind the green:

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Eric Smith

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2010, 11:56:48 AM »
My favorite hole played in 2010 was the 16th at Royal Porthcawl.


This hole served me a deep dish of humble pie the first go round before yielding to my prowess in the afternoon matches ;D, namely a TQ 3 iron, up the gut of the mighty beast and onto the putting surface, allowing my friend, Captain and Chapman partner Sir Michael Whitaker to have a roll at birdie in a tight match with our GB& I opponents, Andy Levett and Conrad Gamble.  Don't ask about the putts...:P

The hole tempts the bold player to take driver over the center wall of bunkers that are cut into the base of a hill before the fairway gradually rises up to the green. Here is a pic from the tee, taken by Sean Arble:
 


If I recall correctly, it was about a 250 carry that day, so it’s just the distance to force me into a making a poor decision, which I did in the first round.  I struck my 2 wood about as well as I could but it wouldn’t be enough to carry the trouble and it crashed into the right center bunker, where the only play out was backwards.
 
When we arrived at the 16th in the afternoon, the wind was up a bit more, which would help in carrying the hill, and we were playing alternate shot, well Chapman, anyway, but I thought it through this time, knowing now that the best play off the tee is short of the bunkers, leaving a long iron into the green. I played an iron off of the tee, as did my playing partner, who hit his right down the middle, leaving us around 200-210 uphill.

Here is the second shot, again a pic from Sean:



I loved this hole most of any I played in 2010 because it made me think.  I made a poor decision consequently and paid the price the first time through.  I thought of the hole more than a few times leading up to the second round and the experience allowed me to make a better decision, resulting in one of my best and most memorable shots of the trip.  To me, that's the beauty of great golf architecture.

Honorable Mention:
12 at Ballyneal
5 at Merion


PCCraig

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2010, 12:12:07 PM »
17 at Ballyneal - I played it 12 times before I parred it.  My personal grail quest for the year.

12 times?!?!?!?! ;) :)
H.P.S.

Adam Clayman

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2010, 12:40:32 PM »
I'll break the rules and pick a hole I didn't play, only saw. The 2nd at Cabot Links.

It's a really tough pick for me to answer the asked question. I keep wanting to qualify it with, outside my home course.

Since my year started at Pine Tree and ended with Kiawah Island, with a boat load in between, there were too many memorable holes.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Jason Topp

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2010, 12:55:48 PM »
My favorite hole played in 2010 was the 16th at Royal Porthcawl.


One interesting aspect of this hole is that the bailout for the approach is left.  I intitially thought the bailout was right based on how it looked from the fairway.

Morgan Clawson

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2010, 01:09:46 PM »
# 5 at the majestic Kingsley Club.

Not only is a terrific hole, but I birdied it twice in 1 day.  Good chance I won't be able to duplicate that feat again in this lifetime.

Thanks to Brad Fleischer for hosting a great event!




Joe Bausch

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2010, 02:24:36 PM »
Relatively easy pick for me - only 18 choices - played one round in 2010 at Mountain Ridge. (If you're gonna play only one round, that's a pretty damn good pick, btw.)

My favorite hole on the course is #11 - somewhat blind drive over a ridge, decent fairway contours, fantastic green complex. Don't know the yardage, will have to look it up. Guess is a 420ish par 4 from the not-quite tips.

Very nice choice GP.  During the Mucci-fest the conditions were poor, but I grabbed a couple of decent pics of the 11th, the first being from about 200 yards out, the other from back and left of the green:



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Bill_McBride

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2010, 02:27:35 PM »
17 at Ballyneal - I played it 12 times before I parred it.  My personal grail quest for the year.

12 times?!?!?!?! ;) :)

Pat, have you played the hole?  It's about 450 into the wind, slight dogleg right with a big hole and bunker down in the corner. Thick rough left.  The green is well bunkered.

I made a par my first go but my 3rd shot was with an 8 iron and my 4th was a 20 foot putt!  Life can be sweet!

17 and 18 are a very strong finish at Ballyneal.

Steve Salmen

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2010, 02:30:47 PM »
I had seen pictures and read about the 17th at Crystal Downs.  You see that it's a 310 yd par 4 and think you should have no more that a 15 ft birdie putt.  Ha.  The card says 310 but it plays considerably longer because it's uphill.  The fairway also slopes from right (trouble) to left (more trouble) and is quite narrow.  The left hand side is so treacherous that a few years ago a friend of mine drove down in the bad stuff and wound up fracturing his leg and missed out on the next leg of his golf holiday, his three day visit to Pine Valley.

I found it to be a tough tee shot with a four iron.   I am a relatively chicken golfer off the tee and have no problem laying back.   Driver never entered my mind.  I didn't stripe it but found fairway, about 130 yds out.  Like the tee shot, the approach is also do or die.  Short and left is the safest place to miss because there is no good going against the large fall off to front and left.  Right and long are severely punished.  Uphill shots are what you seek around the green, regardless of length.  Because my putting is not strong, I'd rather had a 20ft uphill putt than a 4 ft downhill slider.  I fear the 20 ft come backer up the hill.  Many thanks to my host for a very special day.



Joe Bausch

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 02:34:15 PM »


I believe it is hole 12 at Cobbs Creek; Philadelphia, PA. Probably 420 to 440 yards. Hit a fade drive and then a draw approach. I hit a good drive and still had a 2 iron into the green. bunkers were deep as I recall. Maybe Joe Bausch has some pictures of the hole. Tough, enjoyable hole. Weather was perfect, summer.

The former pro at Cobb's Creek and GCA member here, Mark Susko, told me Jay Sigel considers it the hardest par 4 he has ever played.

(sorry, I can't count today apparently so three pics).

Tee view (yeah, gotta love the placement of the cart path...)



View back down the fw from just right of the green:



From maybe 100 yards out:

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Phil McDade

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2010, 03:15:43 PM »
I'm with Adam and Jason; my favorite hole this year was one I walked, but did not play, and two photos can't do it justice (so begging for indulgence for not following directions...):

The short, option-filled par 4 is my mistress; they are the holes I always remember, months after seeing them. My favorite one this year is the odd funk of the 2nd hole at Erin Hills, site of next year's U.S. Amateur Championship and a future U.S. Open course (excerpted from my thread earlier this year on the course) (Designers: Hurdzan, Fry, Whitten, USGA's Mike Davis ;)):

Hole No. 2 (par 4, 363/341/322/322)
The tee shot of the wonderfully odd 2nd hole; from tee to green, it’s nearly a straight line. But the design of the hole makes it anything but straightforward. The play here is filled with options: the simplest play is a fairway wood/iron to the fairway on a line to the left of the small tree near the path. A more aggressive line is a controlled fade aimed at the highest point of the mound left, with the potential of catching a speed slot on the other side. A super-aggressive play is a draw over the mound right, with the aiming point the left bunker; a successful play here could end up near the green.


Here’s where the safe play ends up; it’s a blind shot to the green.


The backside of the mound right, mown at fairway height.


A look at the backside of the mound left; those playing this shot from the tee need to avoid a narrow bunker that juts out into the fairway.


The tiny green of the 2nd, enlarged from its original postage-stamp size (about 50 percent bigger) at the request of the USGA. Everything falls away from this green, which is crowned and was not manufactured in any way.  A natural esker sits to the left of the 2nd green, making for a perfect runway tee used for the 3rd hole.


Three more looks at the 2nd green – from the left side…


 …from high atop the 3rd tee…


…and from the back.  

Why I like this hole: It really captures what the designers of Erin Hills tried to do here --  use an unusually contoured piece of land for a "natural" course that -- as originally envisioned -- would simply sit upon the land, with the glacial mounds, eskers and deposits forming much of the interest in how a given hole was laid out and played. Some holes capture this better than others at Erin Hills; none is truer to its original intent than the 2nd. It's not difficult, but one that reveals to the golfer the kind of terrain Erin Hills was built on, and how the course was routed in and around the glacial features.

Runners-up:

Walked, not played:

#8 at Blue Mounds CC (Raynor)

Blue Mound is quite flat, and much of its appeal lies in Raynor's faithful adherence to his template holes and a terrific set of greens. The 8th hole moves over some of the more interesting land at the course; it's a stout par 4 that moves uphill the entire way, features a major fairway bunker, and a wonderful punchbowl green at the end (excerpted from Blue Mound thread from earlier this year):

#8 (par 4, 445/406 – Punchbowl)
Trees lurk close to the fairway on both sides, and the rough here is some of the thickest on the course. The golfer declining to take driver off the tee to avoid the trees and rough will do so knowing he’ll be left with a much longer, uphill approach shot. Long iron, hybrid and fairway wood approaches were the order of the day during the Western Junior played here this summer.


Gashing the fairway some 300 yards off the tee is this bunker complex, which is deep and penal. I didn’t see anyone come close to reaching it off the tee at the Western Junior; one hopes the tees are moved up a bit for next year’s U.S. Amateur championship qualifying round, in the hope that the long-hitting amateurs will try to take on what could be set up as a solid risk/reward hole.


A look back at the 8th fairway and the tee in the distance; the 8th is one of the few fairways at Blue Mound where the golfer is likely to encounter an unlevel lie in the fairway.


A marvelous Raynor greensite, a true punchbowl. Although not depicted well here, the green features several internal contours.


Played:

The 17th at Spring Valley, an under-the-radar Langford/Moreau in Salem, WI, near the Illinois border about 20 miles west of Kenosha. Par 3, 184/163 yds. The tee shot is slightly downhill to a sharply tilted green:



The course is bunkerless, but the distinctive Langford/Moreau mounding found at courses like Lawsonia can also be found at Spring Valley; here's one fronting the 17th green:



The sharp back-to-front tilt of the green can be seen here, and the green features some significant internal contouring; there are easily a half-dozen pin positions on this green, some of them quite daunting:



A great par 3, with one of the best greens in Wisconsin; it can easily stand up to the best of the par 3s at Langford's better-known Lawsonia.







PCCraig

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2010, 03:28:46 PM »
17 at Ballyneal - I played it 12 times before I parred it.  My personal grail quest for the year.

12 times?!?!?!?! ;) :)

Pat, have you played the hole?  It's about 450 into the wind, slight dogleg right with a big hole and bunker down in the corner. Thick rough left.  The green is well bunkered.

I made a par my first go but my 3rd shot was with an 8 iron and my 4th was a 20 foot putt!  Life can be sweet!

17 and 18 are a very strong finish at Ballyneal.

I have not...I was only joking with Sven :) I'm sure it would take me 15-20 times, tops to par it!
H.P.S.

Bill_McBride

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2010, 03:32:04 PM »
17 at Ballyneal - I played it 12 times before I parred it.  My personal grail quest for the year.

12 times?!?!?!?! ;) :)

Pat, have you played the hole?  It's about 450 into the wind, slight dogleg right with a big hole and bunker down in the corner. Thick rough left.  The green is well bunkered.

I made a par my first go but my 3rd shot was with an 8 iron and my 4th was a 20 foot putt!  Life can be sweet!

17 and 18 are a very strong finish at Ballyneal.

I have not...I was only joking with Sven :) I'm sure it would take me 15-20 times, tops to par it!

I know, I was just "defending" Sven!   ;D

Mac Plumart

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2010, 03:32:18 PM »
Best new (for me) golf hole I played in 2010 was #2 at Sebonack.  It is Holy s**t good!!  I'll post a few pics in a little while.



Best golf hole I played in 2010...#2 at The Ocean Course.  Simply incredible!  Add in some wind and wow-zers!!
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

PCCraig

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2010, 03:32:48 PM »
Phil:

The 2nd, and not the 15th, at Erin Hills?

You're right though about the 8th at Blue Mound...a very cool hole.

I really need to get to Spring Valley soon...
H.P.S.

Rob Bice

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2010, 03:36:18 PM »
I had seen pictures and read about the 17th at Crystal Downs.  You see that it's a 310 yd par 4 and think you should have no more that a 15 ft birdie putt.  Ha.  The card says 310 but it plays considerably longer because it's uphill.  The fairway also slopes from right (trouble) to left (more trouble) and is quite narrow.  The left hand side is so treacherous that a few years ago a friend of mine drove down in the bad stuff and wound up fracturing his leg and missed out on the next leg of his golf holiday, his three day visit to Pine Valley.

I found it to be a tough tee shot with a four iron.   I am a relatively chicken golfer off the tee and have no problem laying back.   Driver never entered my mind.  I didn't stripe it but found fairway, about 130 yds out.  Like the tee shot, the approach is also do or die.  Short and left is the safest place to miss because there is no good going against the large fall off to front and left.  Right and long are severely punished.  Uphill shots are what you seek around the green, regardless of length.  Because my putting is not strong, I'd rather had a 20ft uphill putt than a 4 ft downhill slider.  I fear the 20 ft come backer up the hill.  Many thanks to my host for a very special day.




Steve-
What a great picture of 17 from the tee.  I have played the course twice and both times drove it down and to the left leaving myself a nearly blind second shot.  Is it possible to lay way back - 6 iron or 7 iron off the tee - to give yourslef a better look at the green for your second shot?  The picture makes it seem as if there is spmewhat of a plateau before it goes down but I can't remember.  I am pretty sure anything more than 180 yards off the tee feeds down to the aforementioned blind second shot.  The hole comes at a great point in the round.

Hope all is well with you and Happy New Year.
Rob
"medio tutissimus ibis" - Ovid

Rob Bice

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2010, 03:56:04 PM »
Desert Forest, #16, 523 yds
Lots of options on all shots.  Tempts you with a driver off the tee to give you the best chance of reaching it in two but driver needs to be very precise.  Shortest distance off the tee over a ridge is to the left with desert lurking.  Safer route to the right lengthens the hole with desert far right.  Second shot is challeneged by mesquite tree ~150 yards from the green.  Although plenty of fairway to completely avoid going over the tree.  Elevated two tier green with plenty of challenging pin positions.  Very well-placed bunker short right of green.

I would post a picture if I knew how!  Fantastic match play hole especially as the 16th.
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Jud_T

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2010, 04:28:29 PM »
Kingsley Club #13, 285 yard Par 4, Various conditions, a bunch of times:





I'm a sucker for a good short par 4, and this is one of the best.  Anyone who's played it knows what I'm talking about.  I prefer the front left pin placement.  Such a tiny target to get it in the right quadrant to have a legitimate birdie putt.  Anywhere left on the approach leaves a brutally hard up & down and down the huge swale on the right of the green is definite 3-putt territory.  You can get a 2 or an X on this hole.  I wonder if this is the green that TDoak thinks is over the top? My thanks/apologies to Eric and Tim for bogarting their pix....
« Last Edit: December 30, 2010, 04:33:07 PM by Jud Tigerman »
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Scott Szabo

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2010, 04:28:43 PM »
Ballyneal, #15, 237 yards

Wonderful par-three in a great setting.  

Nicknamed the "Dell Hole" by our very own Ben Sims, can be as little as a short-iron downwind and virtually unreachable into the wind.  

My partner and I closed out two of our three matches at this year's Yucca on this hole, thus making it an easy choice  ;)
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Phil McDade

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2010, 04:37:28 PM »
Phil:

The 2nd, and not the 15th, at Erin Hills?

You're right though about the 8th at Blue Mound...a very cool hole.

I really need to get to Spring Valley soon...

Pat:

Admittedly, I might feel different if I played the course. ;)

To me, the 2nd was a bit more representative of what Whitten and Co. were trying to accomplish at EHills than the 15th. The 15th is pretty cool, but a bit one-dimensional -- I think most of the folks who play the course, save for the extremely long player and the pros -- will play short of the bunkers, then a pitch uphill. And I thought the green at 15 was a little bland -- not bad, but nothing exceptional. The 2nd green is so darn small, it would seem to make for interesting approach shots -- even with a half-wedge -- and really interesting approaches to recovery shots because of the green surrounds (which are quite penal at the 15th). And I'm a sucker for blind shots, and I think the 2nd's ability to hide the green on both the tee shot and even the approach shot, for a 350-yard hole, is pretty cool. A close call, but the 2nd is the one I still think about how to play, moreso than the 15th.


Jud_T

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2010, 04:39:28 PM »
Phil,

Do you prefer the 2nd green post-renovation?
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