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paul cowley

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2011, 10:07:20 PM »
Mike...good to you!
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2011, 12:29:48 AM »
The club has put together a short video showing some of the work that has taken place so far, including some great vision of a heap of trees getting ripped out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SblwMjlY1U

Brett_Morrissy

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2011, 02:25:26 AM »
Scotty,
really impressive video and great communication tool for the members (and prospective members!).

Do you know who did it? a little strange the narration though.

It seems as though BonnieD is or has become very contemporary in it's approach. follow us on Twitter or FB - very good.
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Mike_Clayton

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2011, 02:37:20 AM »
Just what we need - the first week on the job and all we do is take out 100 plus trees - with photographic evidence!
Most of them were trees that probably should never been planted.
It is a really good piece of land - the holes should turn out well so long we don't mess it up.

Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2011, 03:03:14 AM »
Brett, you mean the accent of the narrator? That's Rus, our media/marketing fella.

Brett_Morrissy

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2011, 03:17:40 AM »
yes.
was it all done in house - if so - a very nice job.
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Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2011, 03:44:40 AM »
I believe it was a completely in-house job, Brett. He does some great work.

Kevin Pallier

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2011, 09:11:33 AM »
Scott

Thanks for that - maybe we should change Mike's knickname to Bulldozer Clayton ?

Kyle Henderson

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2011, 02:59:56 AM »
Scott,

I desire before and after pictures, preferable from the same vantage points.

Please appease me.

-K
« Last Edit: May 31, 2011, 11:25:37 AM by Kyle Henderson »
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2011, 04:58:23 AM »
Scott

Thanks for that - maybe we should change Mike's knickname to Bulldozer Clayton ?

I thought it was well known in golf course design circles that Mike's nickname was 'Chainsaw'!! I once walked around and carried the bag for Mike in a practice round at Woburn and notice Mike moaning that Woburn keep adding in new trees which are really unneccessary and I agree with him.

The work at Bonnie Doon looks awesome - they will have really nice firm fairways as they are sandcapped and Ashley Mead and Mike Cocking are great guys with loads of enthusasism in their work as well as Mike and Geoff so I look forward to the finished article. Opening up the trees has given new views and it looks much better already.

Cheers
Ben

Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #60 on: May 31, 2011, 05:19:31 AM »
Ben,

All the existing holes are on pure sand. It's just the two new holes on the old tip that need to be capped with sand.

I reckon you'd have even more enthusiasm for the new work if you hadn't pussied out on seeing the old course at Easter because of a bad weather forecast ;)

Ben Stephens

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #61 on: May 31, 2011, 08:10:10 AM »
Ben,

All the existing holes are on pure sand. It's just the two new holes on the old tip that need to be capped with sand.

I reckon you'd have even more enthusiasm for the new work if you hadn't pussied out on seeing the old course at Easter because of a bad weather forecast ;)

Scott

Thats what I thought - the existing course looks sandy and the extra bit of land did not have sand. It looks expensive! I regret that I did not make Bonnie Doon due to very un-Australian weather!!! next time Im in Sydney I hope to play the new course in better conditions :)

It has been very windy in the UK in the last month!

Cheers
Ben

Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #62 on: May 31, 2011, 08:16:53 AM »
To give an idea of how sandy the soil is, this is a pic of the excavation of sand for the new holes that is taking place around the old 1st and 4th holes.

http://twitpic.com/54ukg5
« Last Edit: May 31, 2011, 08:19:56 AM by Scott Warren »

Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #63 on: June 14, 2011, 12:31:40 AM »
Nearmap has been updated, giving a great idea of how many trees have been removed.

A particular change visually is if you look south-west from the clubhouse, there is an avenue running to the SW corner of the picture that is almost entirely unobstructed.

Before:


After:

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2011, 12:35:58 PM »
The fairway at 27 to 45 seconds on the video looks a little bumpy to me  :o
Cave Nil Vino

Anthony Butler

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #65 on: June 15, 2011, 11:10:52 AM »
All the best to the architect for the US Open. They did a bit on Ogilvy from Congressional last night. Almost made him sound like the 'forgotten man' in the field.

In addition to his hand injury in Maui, apparently Geoff has a bad shoulder. They didn't mention which one. Having suffered through hand surgery and rotator cuff inflammation for the last 18 months, I know how little fun it can be playing through this... From the interview with Mike Davis, however, it sounds like the course set-up might suit his game.


« Last Edit: June 15, 2011, 11:18:01 AM by Anthony Butler »
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Matt Day

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #66 on: June 27, 2011, 01:38:20 AM »
a question for Mike Clayton, and rather than start a new thread I borrowed this one  :)

Just wondering Mike if you can give us a heads up on the work you are going to do at Sun City in Perth. As an ex member its always seemed like a course with great potential, I'd assume tree removal is high on the list. I believe some of the holes may have to be moved to allow for the real estate?

Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #67 on: June 27, 2011, 02:12:26 AM »
Club has put a new update on Youtube, with interviews with both Mike Cocking and Ashley Mead.

Worth watching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTNuo3SHnws

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2011, 11:25:28 PM »
Matt,

Sun City - there are a lot of holes where you drive to the inside of the dogleg and finish behind trees - 1,2,6,7,9,11,12,,18 - which is hardly ideal. It means the shortest hitters have to take the longest route around the holes because they have to keep playing to the outside edges of so many holes.
It is great land - by the look of it the dunes on the beach up that coast would make for amazing golf.
The boundaries are a problem because so many holes now will be lined by houses and they makes changes inevitable.
I think the course could be fantastic - but the quality of the architecture needs to bear a closer resemblance to the quality of the land.

Scott Warren

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« Last Edit: August 23, 2011, 08:41:16 AM by Scott Warren »

Bill_McBride

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC - NEW VIDEO UPDATE ADDED
« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2011, 08:55:09 PM »
The latest video update (#3):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuEeIXI5ZK0


The first video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SblwMjlY1U&NR=1

The second video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTNuo3SHnws&feature=related

That's a lovely hole in video #3!   The bunkers are so close together , it's almost like a cross bunker.   The clubhouse is a beauty.  Looks like a winner for Bonnie Doon.   Good decision, Scott.

Scott Warren

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Before I start, the club has added a fourth video update of the work.

I was fortunate to have Mike Clayton and Ashley Mead show me around the front nine at Bonnie Doon today -- five months since they commenced work and six months before we'll be playing the new holes.

One of the great things about how much time these guys spend on site is how the holes have evolved in the dirt compared to what was planned. Such changes as the addition of some angle to the tee shot at the 1st, increase of distance between the fairway bunkers at the 3rd and drive strategy at the 9th have made those holes better.

Stage 1 includes the 1st, 3rd-6th, 9th, 18th and the practice facility. 3-6 are more or less shaped now and seeding has begun, while the bulk earthworks elsewhere are complete and I don't imagine it will be long before the other holes are in a somewhat complete state.

Here are some photos of the progress, along with "before" pics where I have them.

1st - long par four (about 420-435m)
Mining was carried out here to provide sand for the new holes on the old tip site, and the resulting excavation has been utilised as a diagonal driving hazard that is also in play on the adjacent 9th. It will be mostly be filled with ankle to knee-high heath plants and some sandy areas. Cutting the height out of the ridge that used to cross the fairway makes the drive play somewhat downhill and means that while measuring about 435m, it's a two shot hole especiually for better players.




3rd - short par four (about 270-290m)
This hole has been revolutionised into a stunning short par four with options galore, changeable strategy driven by pin location and a tricky green. The extensiuon of a ridge about 170m from the tee creates a real and attractive option to lay back.





The knob in the centre of the below pic really makes the hole fascinating. Anything left of it will settle and have a great angle in for the approach, while the sloping land right of it will feed the ball downhill and in behind the fairway and greenside bunkers, not to mention at a poor angle for the shaping of the green. Note also the room between the short bunkers (about 200m from the tee) for a drive to run up the hill.


The attractive angle from the left-hand side of the lay-up:


A before shot of the approach from the bottom of the hill, it didn't really matter which side you were on:


And how it looks now, showing that there is now a genuine good and bad side:


The green from the front left:



4th - mid/long par three (about 150-170m)
The new green on this semi-blind par three is much larger and somewhat further right than the old one -- a tremendous improvement, but still hugging up against a cool natural saucer of sandy scrub that provides an awkward recovery if you miss the green right. The green slopes predominantly front right to back left, but there is also a back right pin over a small ridge that will ask for a towering fade (in case Nicklaus ever comes to play the course!). A major improvement is ther removal of the hedges and gardens that ringed the tee previously, clashing with the wild natural vegetation, and the burning of said vegetation, and hopefully going forward it will be kept low as a ground covering at knee-high or lower, leaving the green obscured, but not blind.










5th - mid/long par five (about 500m)
A great split fairway feature inside 100m has been built to team with a boomerang green with a bunker in its "mouth" -- and the green shaping means you really want to be on the same side as the pin. Par fives with a genuine decision to be made on the second shot are rare, and this is great for the fact that the yardages involved are such that most golfers should be able to pull off the shots required to access either section of fairway.





The lighter sand to the right is part of the practice fairway and will be OOB, so the drive is more left han it seems.


Showing a knob/ridge in the centre of the fairway that, ideally, it seems you'll want to track left of for the best position to choose either the left or right fairway near the green.


The low area that runs through the centre of this pic will mostly be heath, other than the formed bunkering at the green, so the second shot going left will need to be far left to a tongeu of fairway connected to the 3rd fairway.






6th - short par three (about 120-130m)
A great short iron hole with a wild green that features four or five pinnable shelves and pockets, which generally step of a central slope running front left to back right. There's room to tuck pins right and back left and have some real fun with a player hitting a short iron or wedge.



The land before sandcapping and construction (from behind the green):


And now:


From the forward tee, set 40m right of the back tee:




Left of the green (from the 3rd tee):



9th - short par five (about 450m)
The hole plays short on the scorecard, but with a drive landing zone that is uphill, killing the run, and a small, vicious green flanked by scrubby, sandy depressions, it feels like a three-shot hole. The large excavation that will be sandy and heathy is the same hazard you drive over at the 1st hole. The green is between the dozer and the white fence, under the UNSW building.



The new holes are simply fantastic -- full of options and decisions to be made, fun greens, room for running approaches, smart bunkering, elasticity in the design depending on wind and tee position, beautiful shaping blending the found and the built... March 31, 2012, can't come quickly enough.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2011, 05:46:43 PM by Scott Warren »

Andrew Summerell

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Thanks for the photos, Scott. It's looking very exciting.

Michael Goldstein

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Cheers Scott, looking forward to playing it!

How tight is the 5th?
@Pure_Golf

Scott Warren

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Not overly tight, Michael. In the driving zone, I'd say it's 35m or so with both sides holding the ball in.

This a better shot of the second shot option at the 5th than the one above: