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Scott Warren

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I mentioned in this thread that Bonnie Doon Golf Club in Sydney will be the first design job of the newly-formed Ogilvy Clayton - the design firm of Michael Clayton and Geoff Ogilvy with Mike Cocking and Ashley Mead, who have designed with Clayton for a number of years.

The tag of this being "Geoff Ogilvy's first design job" is a great marketing hook for the club, regardless of the reality of how involved he will be compared to his three colleagues.

Their full redesign masterplan can be viewed on the club's website, but I have extracted the hole maps and put them with some example pictures Ogilvy Clayton included to show how the work might look and play, as well as some snaps of my own that show how a few holes look today to give you an idea of the land.

On the hole maps, you can see the planned hole overlaid on what's there now. In many instances you can see the existing greens and bunkering. To help you differentiate, the planned bunkering is yellower than the existing bunkers, which are white. You should be able to see what I mean when you look at the holes below.

Stage 1 (May 2011 to March 2012) comprises the holes listed below as 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9 and 18.

One thing I love is that there will be four or five par fours over 400m and four that are under 301m, playing over very different land. Lots of variety! Likewise the fives (493, 440, 547 and 447) and threes (162 flat, 179 slightly downhill, 132 uphill, 157 slightly downhill, 154 uphill) will present very different shots.

So here is the plan for the entire course. The site is 100 acres almost exactly. The course begins just to the west of the red roof clubhouse (north is to the left of screen). Generally, the front nine is the western portion of the main paddock and the back is the eastern portion of the main paddock as well as the southern paddock.

One crucial fature is that many (almost all?) of the mature trees you can see lining the holes will be removed and replaced with indigenous heathland plants.



And now onto the holes.

1st - 415m - Par 4

Plays down the same corridor as the current par 5 1st, but from a shorter tee (necessitated by carpark extension). It plays over a steep hill on the drive to a blind landing area, then uphill to the green. It will play to the current greensite, with bunkers cut into the ridge you can see running staggered across the fairway just short of the green to force a decision after a short drive as to whether you try to get close to the green or lay up short. Currently you can run it up near the green with relative impunity.

The plan:


What it could look/play like: 12 at Sunningdale


What it looks like now:


2nd - 162m - Par 3

This plays on the corridor of the current par 3 5th, though to a green in the slight valley short right of the existing green and from a tee a little further back to retain the current distance.

The plan:


What it looks like now (green goes to the right and slightly closer):


3rd - 288m - Par 4

Current 2nd hole including the tee and greensite. This hole plays gradually downhill from the tee to about 220m off the tee then rises sharply to a second area of fairway that begins about 50m from the green. The plan will see bunkers cut into that steep hill so the longer hitters who can bomb it up there now with little risk will face a tricky bunker shot if they fall short or veer left or right at the green, and those laying up will need to control their distance.

The plan:


What it looks like now:

From the tee


From the approach


Side view of the ridge in the drive zone


4th - 179m - Par 3

A downhill par 3 that is blind, owing to a diagonal heath-covered ridge about 100m off the tee. Currently the greensite is heavily bunkered, which will make way for an undulating green without bunkers that moves a touch closer to the sandy waste gully right of the green.

The plan:


From the tee - you can just see the greenside bunkering over the heath:


This shows the greensite as is, along with the sandy gouge towards which the green will be moved/extended


5th - 493m - Par 5

A new par five playing south over the old tip that lies between Bonnie Doon GC and Eastlake GC. The area will be capped with 1m of sand, mined from elsewhere on the course, predominantly the current 1st, 4th and 8th holes, so the undulations and whatnot remain a mystery!

The plan:


The drive during clearing of the land:


6th - 132m - Par 3

Another new hole on the tip, playing uphill towards the back of the current 2nd tee.

The plan:


What it could look like: 2 at Peninsula (North)


From behind the greensite during clearing:


7th - 301m - Par 4

Currently the 6th. A downhill, dogleg-right hole that loses all its altitude on the drive, before a generally flat approach. Trees on the inside of the dogleg will make way for bunkers to entice a drive that bites off the corner. There is a spare hole being built right of the hole where the turf nursery is currently located.

The shortening of the current 5th (which is becoming the 2nd) will wllow the dogleg to be straightened a fair bit by moving the tee left, which also allows for the current tee to be used for the spare hole.

The plan:


This pic is taken from approximately where the new tee will be located (the back of where the 5th green is at the moment), which straightens the dogleg from about 70 degrees to maybe 45. The trees you see on the inside of the dogleg will be ripped out and replaced with bunkers.


What the hole could look like: 7 at Peninsula (South)


8th - 287m - Par 4

Plays up the corridor of the current 7th, climbing a moderate hill to a plateau greensite, with a fairway that tilts right to left. Trees will be ripped out down the right with a drive bunker to tempt you to take on the RHS for a better angle and flatter lie.

The plan:


How it looks now (from the tee and the RHS of the fairway near where the bunker will go, showing the trees that will be removed):




9th - 440m - Par 5

Currently the 1st and 4th holes are par fives playing side-by-side in the same direction over identical land with identical bunkering. It's uncanny how similar they are! The renovation plan will see the 4th reversed, creating this hole. Sand mining right of the green will create a hazard similar to what you see right of the 16th green at The Addington. The drive will be over a valley with a bold bunker cut into it, before a slightly uphill approach.

The plan:


10th - either a 157m par 3 or 411m par 4

Ogilvy Clayton has presented two options for the club for the 10th and 11th holes. Whichever option is chosen, the two holes will run down the land currently housing the 9th, 10th and 18th, where 10 and 11 present some bad boundary issues. The land slopes generally from right to left as you move away from the clubhouse, but not greatly.

If the par 4 is chosen, a short game practice area will go in next to the hole, where the current 10th tee and fairway are. I have a feeling the club will select the option that includes two par 4s.

The plan:


11th - either a 547m par 5 or 316m par four.

In either case the green will be located roughly where the current 10th green sits. The tough thing about the two options is that the long par 4 10th and par 5 11th appear to be the best two holes, but of course we can't have them both as they won't fit!

12th - 371m - Par 4

One really bad thing about the back paddock currently is that 13-15 run parallel and adjacent, all about 380m and all from a high tee to a low fairway and to a high, benched green. To counter that, the current 14th becomes the 12th - which also shortens the walk after you cross the road (the current 10 > 11 walk takes about 3 mins!) and the current 13th, as you will see later, becomes the 16th - a cool par 5.

The plan:


13th - 403m - Par 4

This is currently the 15th - one of the holes I just mentioned that suffers from sameness. With the current 16th being removed under the renovation plan, this green - currently benched into the hill - can move back 20m and become a skyline green where the current 16th tee is, something really distinctive and different to the previous hole.

The plan:


14th - 408m - Par 4

A similar length hole to the previous couple, but very different as it is on much flatter ground. It replaces a really poor par five (the current 11th) that is as tight as I have seen and flanks a road. Not good!! The green moves short right of the current green into a little dell and the tee comes forward to get play aiming away from the road a bit more.

The plan:


15th - 154m - Par 3

Plays uphill, but rather than a steady climb it's flat for 50m, then very steep for 50m, then slightly uphill the last 50m. The plan sees a bunker cut into that steep hill. Hole is curerently the 12th.

The plan:


16th - 447m -  Par 5

Just as the 13th green was able to be pushed back because of the curent 16th disappearing, this hole can extend to use the land housing the current 16th green. Instead of yet another 380m par four to a benched green, it becomes a short par five with a blind approach over the hill into which the green is current benched. The approach will be somewhat like 3 at County Louth or 4 at Lahinch - though in this instance the flagstick will be visible.

This stretch (current 13-15 - new 12, 13 and 16) is one of the main strengths of the redesign, in my opinion: three very similar holes each become distinctive and individual.

The plan:


17th - 300m - par 4

This is the current 17th, with a few adjustments. In short, the green will hug the LHS dune even more, and will be bunkerless. With the current 18th disappearing, the RHS of the fairway can be contoured to drop down on the right (the favoured side in) if you hit your drive too far, making the approach blind.

In my opinion, nothing showcases great land like a bunkerless hole - 6 at Deal, 14 (Foxy) at Dornoch, 13 at Silloth,  10 at Fishers Island... I reckon this will become a great hole.

The plan:


18th - 419m - Par 4

Basically the current 8th, playing from an extremely elevated tee to a level fairway with some fun contour, including a valley from 180-210m off the tee that renders the second shot blind.

The plan:


How it looks now:
« Last Edit: March 01, 2014, 05:58:44 AM by Scott Warren »

Bill_McBride

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2010, 08:37:50 PM »
Great plans and renderings.  Thanks for posting!

Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2010, 08:58:55 PM »
Bill,

I agree the plans of each hole are great, but they really are nothing compared to the renderings OC associate (and GCAer) Mike Cocking is renowned for.

His website is: http://www.golfrenderings.com.au/

There are some great yardage book drawings/designs and hole renderings on there as examples.

Mike_Cocking

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2010, 11:14:21 PM »
Hi Scott,

Thanks for posting all that information and for your kind words.  There is so much potential at 'The Doon' - great undulations, pure sand and some terrific vegetation - and it would seem a top 25 or 30 ranking is well and truly possible.

You'll be interested to know we started clearing the bottom land today so int he next week or two we should start to get a good idea of what the 5th and 6th holes could look like.


Mike Cocking

Anthony Butler

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2010, 11:50:16 PM »
Hi Scott,

Thanks for posting all that information and for your kind words.  There is so much potential at 'The Doon' - great undulations, pure sand and some terrific vegetation - and it would seem a top 25 or 30 ranking is well and truly possible.

Mike-There is some interesting land at Bonnie Doon, but all the variety and challenge of the course had been drained out of it over the last 30 years... combined with the unfortunate position of the clubhouse, it was never that inspiring to play the 'Doon' when NSW was only 4 miles away.

After you finish this job, you need to convince St Michaels to hire Ogilvy Clayton and we could have something to rival the Sandbelt in Sydney. The fact that such a pedestrian course has been allowed to sit almost untouched for over 25 years right next to a world's top 50 course has always been a head-scratcher to me. If you take away the spectacular nature of the holes near the water at NSWGC, St Michaels appears to have more natural topography for some classic seaside holes.

Great course renderings on your site BTW.

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Duncan Betts

Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2010, 01:01:30 AM »
Scott,

You should be excited by these changes as a member of Bonnie Doon.  I've been a member at Royal Queensland for 16 years now, and was almost playing little or no golf 5 years ago, as the course was boring me to death and regular games at Indooroopilly and Brisbane GC were also becoming tedious.

Then along came the Labor Govt who decided to build a bridge and we needed a new course.  Hallelujah, the only positive thing I can say about the Bligh/Beattie combination!  Along came a bloke called Clayton, and now we have a wonderful course that provides interest to members on a daily basis. 

If I recall correctly, we took presentations from quite a few architects and it was narrowed down to Clayton vs Watson.  I think I would have given the game away if that vote had fallen the other way.  Surprisingly, despite most people believeing the average golfer has little or no interest in architecture, our membership waiting list spiked and hit an all-time high in the weeks following Clayton's appointment - so there are more people out there that have their finger on the pulse than we might think.

Mike_Cocking

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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2010, 01:10:27 AM »
Hi Anthony,

The Sandbelt / Heathland courses are a big influence for our concept for Bonnie Doon.  The types of heathland plants are essentially the same as back here in Melbourne and we're looking to build a similar style of bunker, with heathland playing a pivotal role in the look of the course - as well as coming into play in some areas.  Bunkers bleeding out into heathland is something that few have done well and hopefully we can achieve something special at BD which is reminiscent of the best examples at R.M, the Heath and some of the London courses for that matter.

Whilst there is some excellent contouring there are also some very unnatural areas (mounds etc.) and one of the keys for us will be shaping the ground in the same random and quirky manner that would have found prior to a golf course being there.  There is some excellent contour on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for instance which we'll be using as models elsewhere - especially on the 'new' ground.

I agree re: St. Michaels and there is some excellent land both along the coast line (St. Michaels, The Coast etc.) as well as those in the dunes - around The Lakes / East Lake / Bonnie Doon etc.


Mike

James Bennett

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2010, 05:47:10 AM »
Michael

I wish you had more than 31 posts.  However, the quality in each of your posts is always there.

good luck at BD.

Can we get another acronym for Bonnie Doon rather than BD? - I get confused with Barnbougle Dunes.

James B
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2010, 08:10:54 AM »
Beautiful work, Mike.
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Kevin Pallier

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2010, 05:37:04 PM »
Thanks Scott for taking the time to post these

A couple of comments:
- the new 3rd (above) has always been a nothing hole for mine. Whilst I like the new concept I think the left fairway bunker cuts too far into the fairway and a small corridor should be left to encourage the driver moreso.
- I like the removal of the bunkers on the 4th. Is the green going to be crowned ?
- I didn't mind the bunkers on the 17th - it really tightened up the approach shot into the green.

Where's the Clayton template green ? ala 13th Lakes ?

Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2010, 06:35:05 PM »
KP,

Re: 3rd - I suppose the exact placement of bunkers - sizes and shapes - will be decided in the field, but the new 3rd will no doubt take a mediocre hole on great land and make it a straigh-up great hole.

Re: 4th - The 17th green at Kingston Heath was mentioned many times at the members' meeting last week. Now I can't say that the planned green will be really similar in shapes and whatnot to that green, but the principles of the approach shot to that green are what Mike said he was looking to capture there. I love that the green will move closer to that sandy gouge on the right - it's such a brilliant natural hazard and currently it's in no-man's land.

Re: 17th - I suppose that "tightening the approach" role will now fall to that tall dune on the left.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2010, 07:17:36 PM by Scott Warren »

David_Elvins

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2010, 06:48:57 PM »
Where's the Clayton template green ? ala 13th Lakes ?
Someone designs a green one and a half times in 200 holes and it is a template green?  ;D
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Mike_Cocking

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2010, 08:26:23 PM »
Hi Kevin and Scott,

I think in looking at the 3rd you also need to consider the other short fours - 7, 8 and 17 - as they all ask different questions and play over different ground.  Its rare to have so many on one course and providing none of them feel the same won't be a detraction.  With the large ridge running straight across the 3rd it always felt like it wanted to be a bit more black and white i.e. try and make the carry or layup, but there is also a neat little ridge on the left of the fairway about 190m off the tee which the plans don't show.  We want to make it a bit bigger and push it further from the tee so its a legitimate layup but from here you get a great look at the entire putting surface and a terrific angle to a hard right pin.  If your not going to try and fly the lot this will be the sensible play but it won't be obvious and many will find themselves and the foot of the steep incline, on short grass but with no view of the green - or perhaps even the flag.

The 7th is more of a traditional strategic short four with bunkers on the inside corner, but there is also some nice contour through the fairway which adds to the interest - a short tee shot away from the bunkers also ends up a little blind.

The 8th plays uphill with a very steep cross fall.  The fairway up the right may end up as a split level with the bunker and / or a ridge dividing the two options - the right being the narrower drive but better line in - both in angle and by being level with the green and not pitching so uphill.

17 should be a really interesting bunker-less short 4.  The large hollow on the right and the hill on the left will pinch in and the green wraps around the hill a little like the 16th at Paraparaumu.  So much so a safe shot left off the tee will result in a pitch across the toe of the hill (which will be covered in heath).

The 4th will actually go the other way - a punchbowl more so than crowned.  There will still more than likely be a decent amount of contour in the green but balls landing short will gather rather than be rejected.  Its such a unique hole (and should be very good) - and certainly isn't one one that wouldn't be built too often these days.



Mike.

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2010, 09:59:50 PM »
It's nice of Ran to make this a "sticky topic" that won't leave page 1.

Now it's up to the two Mike C's and Scott to continue posting about the project's progress - the Mikes as architects and Scott as a member and interested observer.  Should be a good series!

Scott Warren

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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2010, 11:14:10 PM »
Mike,

I love the mix of heroism and strategy in the short fours as you've described. Having watched a 16yo (GCAer Michael Taylor) drive it green-high at #2 (ie. the new 3rd) on Sunday with some wind helping, I think that do-or-die drive over the fairway bunkers will be a great shot for those capable of making the carry (and hopefully they move the tees up every now and then so the rest of us can have a go!).

Thanks Ran for pinning the topic. I'll be adding info and pics whenever I can and hopefully Mike and Mike can drop us a tidbit or two here and there as well. Though with work not scheduled to kick off until May it could be quiet over the Aussie summer/northern winter.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2010, 02:03:36 AM by Scott Warren »

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2010, 12:53:35 AM »
Nice work team.

Why change the ridge on the first hole?
I like how it looks now.

What will be the cost of the project and how will the changes help the club revenue wise?
Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2010, 09:58:09 AM »
Nice work team.

Why change the ridge on the first hole?
I like how it looks now.


Mike, does it say the ridge will be changed?  From what I read there will be a shorter tee so you can now drive over instead of into the ridge.

"Plays down the same corridor as the current par 5 1st, but from a shorter tee (necessitated by carpark extension). It plays over a steep hill on the drive to a blind landing area, then uphill to the green. It will play to the current greensite, with bunkers cut into the ridge you can see running staggered across the fairway just short of the green to force a decision after a short drive as to whether you try to get close to the green or lay up short. Currently you can run it up near the green with relative impunity"

Sounds good to me, an interesting starting hole.

Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2010, 02:14:04 AM »
I took a few more pics yesterday that might help to illustrate what's on the ground and what's planned for a few holes, where the terrain is important and perhaps the concept doesn't relay well through the hole maps alone.

I'll also post them in the OP for continuity, but I know some people don't like going back to look through a post they've already read to try to find the bits that are new, so I'll whack them in here as well.

Kevin Pallier asked about the option of a gap through the bunkers on the short par four 3rd (currently the 2nd) and Mike Cocking gave a really good explanation of the thinking behind the short fours being a combination of strategic and heroic.

Here is a couple of angles of the drive zone and second shot on that hole.

The first is looking side-on at the ridge/hill into which it's proposed the bunkering will be set, making for a heroic carry to the second area of fairway that leaves a relatively flat 20-50m second shot.

You can see that the steepness of the land means a drive that runs between the bunkers wqouldn't really be a viable play even if there was a gap left between the bunkers, which helps to solidify the point Mike C made in his post.



Here is a look at the second shot that awaits after a lay-up drive.

What's worth pointing out is that currently this hole has out of bounds to the left off the tee, which deters quite a few people from having a lash with the driver. With the new par five and par three built on the land to the left, that will no longer be the case, which I think will see more people take on the bunkers off the tee in hope of a pitch for their second.



As Mike C said, the earthmoving machinery has been in clearing vegetation off the land on which the new holes will be built.

Here's a look at what will become the drive on the par five 5th hole.



And looking back from behind the green on the 6th - which will be a 132m par three.



Of course those last two pics don't show too much now, but I reckon it will be fun to refer back to them after the holes are built.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2010, 04:18:43 PM by Scott Warren »

Anthony Butler

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2010, 06:34:11 AM »

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I agree re: St. Michaels and there is some excellent land both along the coast line (St. Michaels, The Coast etc.) as well as those in the dunes - around The Lakes / East Lake / Bonnie Doon etc.

Mike

Mike-You would need to get the Coast and Randwick to combine clubs to provide the correct opportunity on the other piece of land.

One of the problems with these courses has always been the abrupt transitions between fairway and rough. The Tea tree variety you see so much of at NSW, or that thick water/switchgrass which doesn't grow right on the coast but you see a lot of around the ponds at EastLakes.

Neither circumstance really lends itself to a decent recovery shot. If you find yourself in a patch of Tea tree, your options are usually to take a drop, or  generate 60 mph of clubhead speed with a three-inch back swing.

If you can get some of your proposed plant choices to stick at Bonnie Doon, you might be able to solve that problem.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2010, 06:40:55 AM by Anthony Butler »
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Kevin Pallier

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2010, 07:32:33 AM »
The first is looking side-on at the ridge/hill into which it's proposed the bunkering will be set, making for a heroic carry to the second area of fairway that leaves a relatively flat 20-50m second shot.

You can see that the steepness of the land means a drive that runs between the bunkers wqouldn't really be a viable play even if there was a gap left between the bunkers, which helps to solidify the point Mike C made in his post.

Scott

My point was that a gap may provide more of a visual opportunity rather than an actual one.

Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2010, 05:32:53 PM »
A few more pics to flesh out the OP (added up top as well, but here for ease of seeing the new stuff).

Here are two pics of the blind par three 3rd hole, which becomes the 4th under the plan above.

From the tee - you can just see the greenside bunkering over the heath:


This shows the greensite as is, along with the sandy gouge towards which the green will be moved/extended


The current 6th hole, which becomes the 7th. This pic is taken from approximately where the new tee will be located (the back of where the 5th green is at the moment), which straightens the dogleg from about 70 degrees to maybe 45. The trees you see on the inside of the dogleg will be ripped out and replaced with bunkers.


The current 8th, which becomes the 18th with not much more than a new green and some new bunkering:
« Last Edit: December 14, 2010, 06:25:26 PM by Scott Warren »

Ben Stephens

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2010, 12:39:27 PM »
Scott,

Here is a visual of the proposed 18th fairway showing what the new bunkers are like - without the 17th green, and forward tees. I have removed the shadows in the pic.



Cheers
Ben

Bill_McBride

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2010, 03:48:34 PM »
Scott,

Here is a visual of the proposed 18th fairway showing what the new bunkers are like - without the 17th green, and forward tees. I have removed the shadows in the pic.



Cheers
Ben

Ben, from a strategic perspective, wouldn't you want the closer and more challenging bunkers on the right side since that looks like the preferred side for the approach with the greenside bunker on the left?

Now it looks you could simply lay up in front of the right side bunker for the best way home.

I'm sure this was just a quick Photoshop job but that occurred to me straight off.

Brett_Morrissy

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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2010, 05:27:48 PM »
"BonD"

Or longer "BonnieD"
@theflatsticker

Scott Warren

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Re: Ogilvy Clayton's redesign of Bonnie Doon GC
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2010, 05:30:25 PM »
I like BonnieD, Brett. Sounds like a very cheerful Scottish rapper! ;D