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Michael Blake

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Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« on: December 06, 2010, 06:39:52 PM »
For those who are interested in submitting:

http://www.worldgolf.com/newswire/browse/65423-%E2%80%98Mission-Hills-Fantasy-Golf-Hole-Contest%E2%80%99-Launches


Golf News for Monday, December 6, 2010 | Others
China's Mission Hills announce new Fantasy Golf Hole Contest

HAIKOU, China -- Mission Hills Group -- impetus for China's golf boom and owner and operator of the world's two largest golf properties -- has unveiled the imagination-stoking "Mission Hills Fantasy Golf Hole Contest."

Amateur golf-course architects are invited to submit bold and daring conceptual plans for a par 3, 4 or 5. Winning submissions will be brought to life on the soon-to-be-constructed Icon Course at the new family resort destination, Mission Hills Hainan, China.
The radical Icon Course will feature holes as intrepid and extreme as any ever designed. Keeping with this theme, entries will be evaluated largely on creativity. Outside-the-box concepts are highly encouraged -- for instance, inspiration may be drawn from inanimate objects, animals or famous global landmarks. Designs must also accommodate playability, construction-feasibility and other criteria. Mission Hills and Schmidt-Curley Design (architect of all 10 courses at Mission Hills Hainan) will lead the judging.
The deadline for the competition is February 28, 2011. For details and entry instructions: www.missionhillschina.com/contest/fantasygolfhole.
In addition to creation of their dream holes, Grand Prize winners and three guests will receive four-day, three-night, all-expense-paid trips to Mission Hills Hainan. Winners will also be awarded with lifetime passes to play unlimited free golf on the Icon Course.
"Mission Hills is excited to present this opportunity to golfers worldwide," says Dr. Ken Chu, Executive Vice Chairman of Mission Hills Group. "Limitless imagination is paramount, as our Icon Course will feature holes inspired by Mission Hills' position at the forefront of golf's global explosion."
"Armchair architects must ingeniously channel their artistic impulses," says Brian Curley of Schmidt-Curley Design. "Submit your dream hole or holes -- wild-and-wacky preferred -- and we'll build it for you."
Located on exotic Hainan Island, the world's hottest spot for luxury development, Mission Hills Hainan, is only 15 minutes from Haikou Meilan International Airport. It features 10 golf courses celebrating design genres from around the globe, 518 tastefully-appointed guest rooms and suites, 12 first-rate restaurants, Hainan's only aquatic theme park, therapeutic volcanic

Ryan Farrow

Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2010, 01:11:21 AM »
We did some imaging here in the office to help explain what we are looking for in this contest.... Not exactly a "typical" golf course design contest...... As we really are looking for fantasy.... and we will actually build it unlike the recent Google Earth contest which someone on GCA actually won.... it was really a neat concept but limited to those with the technical know-how.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone from this board wins again....

Ryan Farrow

Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2010, 01:17:27 AM »
"The Birds Nest"

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Matthew Rose

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2010, 02:16:40 AM »
Channelling Mr. Muirhead....
American-Australian. Trackman Course Guy. Fatalistic sports fan. Drummer. Bass player. Father. Cat lover.

Ron Farris

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2010, 09:00:07 AM »
A while back didn't Ron Whitten comment that nobody was doing anything new is golf course architecture.  This at least challenges one to use imagination.  Seems many of the new courses have been built with inspiration from the past, Old Mac comes to mind (based upon happening in the past).  The Muirhead movement never really took off, but your challenge may bring fresh blood and imagination to the forefront.  I hope it holds true to Amateur architects.

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2010, 09:04:26 AM »
Someone's got to come up with a Great Wall hole, surely?
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Nick Campanelli

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2010, 09:12:57 AM »
Someone's got to come up with a Great Wall hole, surely?

I was just thinking about that, and immediately threw the idea out given everyone would probably be doing it
Landscape Architect  //  Golf Course Architect

George Pazin

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2010, 12:10:45 PM »
Channelling Mr. Muirhead....


First thing that popped into my head as well.

You should be scared right now. :)
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2010, 01:57:30 PM »
Kelly,

Tell us what you really think  :)
jeffmingay.com

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2010, 02:31:35 PM »
I was going to say I am sorry in saying this but in all honesty I am not sorry in saying this is the biggest load of crap design I have ever seen. It is a shame this junk is being exported to China. You really can't be serious that this represents some sort of exciting new adventure in golf design. Shame on all of you, Jesus this is unbelieveable. And most on this site don't have the fortitude or the good sense to call it what it is.

I was waiting to see where the tees were on the chopsticks hole.
Because if the tees are at the base of the chopsticks - play along the length of the chopsticks vs. if the tees require the player to hit across the chopsticks...
are 2 entirely different stories....
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Nick Campanelli

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2010, 02:34:10 PM »
The real question is.....If you have to play across the chopsticks, does this qualify as a cape?
Landscape Architect  //  Golf Course Architect

Michael Dugger

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2010, 02:57:14 PM »
Methinks this type of design is probably coming at the request of the client.

And I highly doubt Schmidt/Curley has a problem with that considering they are designing 9 other courses for this facility.

 
What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2010, 02:58:58 PM »


Is Pachinko Chinese?
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Ian Andrew

Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2010, 03:18:27 PM »
Is Pachinko Chinese?

I can't wait to see your sketch.... ;D

Ryan Farrow

Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2010, 05:39:20 PM »
Based on the responses, just want to clarify a few things:

1. Do not limit your ideas to things that are just Chinese, it is an international contest and we want ideas inspired from all around the world.

2. You can design up to 3 holes. (par 3, par 4, par 5) If you really like your idea do it 3 times, 3 different ways. Or if you think you have 3 great ideas, do 3 different designs.... or just do 1 or 2..... up to you.  We will be selecting a par 3 , 4 , 5 as winners.



Kelly, I understand how some people might not like the idea, its certainly not for everyone. And we certainly would not be doing this if it were just 1 golf course for 1 client. We have 10 courses planned for the resort and they are all very different, very good. I have no qualms, nor does Brian about building this kind of course, you might call it "a load of crap" but we see it as something fun, and something challenging to build that a majority of golfers would love to try.

« Last Edit: December 10, 2010, 12:57:32 AM by Ryan Farrow »

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2010, 05:48:48 PM »
we want ideas inspired from all around the world.

Then Plinko it is!
Bob Barker's head as a green and Barker's Beauties as boonkers

Ryan
Kelly may want to know that the contest is limited to amateurs before he enters.
Good luck
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Don_Mahaffey

Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2010, 08:18:07 PM »
anything for a buck...for the good of golf of course

jeffwarne

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2010, 08:32:36 PM »
"The Birds Nest"

Inspiration


Brian's Sketch


Photo Rendering



"Firecracker"

Inspiration


Brian's Sketch


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"Firecracker"

Inspiration


Brian's Sketch


Photo Rendering





I was going to say I am sorry in saying this but in all honesty I am not sorry in saying this is the biggest load of crap design I have ever seen. It is a shame this junk is being exported to China. You really can't be serious that this represents some sort of exciting new adventure in golf design. Shame on all of you, Jesus this is unbelieveable. And most on this site don't have the fortitude or the good sense to call it what it is.

Geez Ryan.
All that time studying landscape architecture and worrying about innovation,creativity, and innovation
and to think you could've just designed a few fescue enshrouded bunkers (with just the right nonwhite color of sand),called it minimalism and been revered on this site.

....or just built 10 holes with cross bunkering at 270
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

George Pazin

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2010, 09:47:38 AM »
Geez Ryan.
All that time studying landscape architecture and worrying about innovation,creativity, and innovation
and to think you could've just designed a few fescue enshrouded bunkers (with just the right nonwhite color of sand),called it minimalism and been revered on this site.

....or just built 10 holes with cross bunkering at 270

Yeah, Lord knows, that's all Tom and Jim and Bill and Ben and Gil and all the rest do. Why, any of us could be designing top 10 courses like that!
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Ryan Farrow

Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2010, 01:52:26 AM »
Geez Ryan.
All that time studying landscape architecture and worrying about innovation,creativity, and innovation
and to think you could've just designed a few fescue enshrouded bunkers (with just the right nonwhite color of sand),called it minimalism and been revered on this site.

....or just built 10 holes with cross bunkering at 270

Yeah, Lord knows, that's all Tom and Jim and Bill and Ben and Gil and all the rest do. Why, any of us could be designing top 10 courses like that!


George, Jeff,

We already did do that at our Blackstone course, certainly a recipe for success.....

The latest Golf Magazine International Awards:

1. Diamante (Dunes)
Cabo San Lucas, BCS, Mexico
7,300 yards, par 72
866-901-1456
diamantecabosanlucas.com

Davis Love III's greatest win -- at the 1997 PGA Championship -- concluded with a final putt backdropped by a rainbow. Diamante's aptly named Dunes course is his pot of gold. Situated six miles north of downtown Cabo San Lucas, on the Baja Peninsula's western coast, this striking Love design not only fronts the Pacific Ocean, but also features fairways and greens etched into colossal, brilliant white sand dunes. Most distinctive is the 588-yard, par-5 17th that heads away from the beach. It dishes out multiple landing areas and a green elevated by 50 feet. More accessible, if nearly as compelling is the 154-yard, par-3 16th, its target obscured by sand and scrub, a la Pine Valley, with the ocean beyond. Purists may pout about the lake that affects play at the 12th and 13th, and the 146 slope from the tips may as well be 166 when the wind howls, which is often, but for its relentless shot demands, sheer variety and stunning beauty, Diamante is our pick for the best course to open outside the U.S. in 2010.

2. Mission Hills Haikou (Blackstone)
Haikou, Hainan Island, China
7,800 yards, par 73
86 898 6868 3888
missionhillschina.com

Host to the recent Mission Hills Star Trophy event, won by Lorena Ochoa, this vast Brian Curley core design for Mission Hills' newest mega-resort is carved into black lava rock and features striking, tattered-edge bunkers and dense vegetation. Thrilling forced carries over lava gorges and superb variety throughout are highlights.

3. The Dunes at Shenzhou Peninsula (West)
Hainan Island, China
7,484 yards, par 72
86 898 6213 8800
shenzhoupeninsula.com

This gently contoured Tom Weiskopf design is built entirely on natural sand. Among the enticements are artfully sculpted bunkers and transition areas, boulder outcroppings and several memorable holes along the South China Sea, including the drivable par-4 15th and the rugged par-4 16th which hugs a wide, empty beach, with waves loudly lapping at the right side.

4. Bahia de los Suenos
La Paz, BCS, Mexico
7,010 yards, par 72
866-202-0789
bahiadelossuenos.com

Tom Doak's firm, fast layout two and a half hours of mountain switchbacks northeast of Cabo San Lucas hews seamlessly to the naturally tumbling terrain. Tees and greens melt into the surrounds, bunkers bleed into the thick native desert and the sheer variety is overwhelming, from holes framed by giant Cardon cacti to others that touch the sea, giant white dunes or mountain slopes.










Luckily Old Mac & Lost farm didn't qualify this year!  ;)



We are just looking to do something that hasn't been done yet. Taking Desmond to the extreme, not just creating fun and interesting golf holes, but making sure you know what you are playing. This is unlike a lot of Desmond holes where you weren't really sure if that was just a mermaid or.........  ??? ??? ??? ???

I think Desmond was trying to walk too fine of a line between creating a real golf course and mixing in his visual quirks which were a little too subtle from the ground to really capture the average golfers imagination....

With this course we know what we want to achieve and everyone is on board. We are not trying to hide what we are. Its in your face, and it may be a little too much for some to handle......  But like I said, the work we have completed thus far can stand up to any multi-course complex in the world as far as variety and interesting, thought provoking golf.....

This is just pure fun...

Richard Choi

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2010, 02:29:55 AM »
I have an idea that might fit this....sketches coming!

Personally, I think this is great. No innovations happen without breaking some traditions.

Adam_F_Collins

Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2010, 09:14:22 AM »
Mission Hills seems to be trying to offer something for everyone.

The particular approach my not appeal to my personal aesthetic taste, but I certainly wouldn't criticize them for this. They have the resources to give something like this a try, and I applaud the courage to give it a shot. It would seem that they also have the resources to bulldoze the whole thing if it doesn't work out.

Truthfully, I think it presents an uncommon challenge to the designer. How do you create a great hole that goes beyond the gimmick in a situation like this? How can you bring the principals of great golf to a strange visual world?

Adam

paul cowley

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2010, 10:47:19 PM »
Ryan/Brian....need any consulting help on the other 17 holes?

Right up my alley. I have pushed a few owners envelopes with forts and ruins, but its hard to do otherwise for their sake and one needs to be responsible with $ considerations.

One among many, but a really viable hole, is the "180 degree dogleg hole par 4"...a fantastic
multiple option hole that saves space as well...no need to window dress, but could be if needed.
I'm serious about this one and almost built it until an owner bailed.

Many more upon request....have fun regardless!
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Micah Woods

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2010, 02:43:43 AM »
Adam,

Tomson Golf Club in Shanghai has a Great Wall hole.

http://www.tomson-golf.com/course2E_4.html

And a Mt. Fuji hole too (the 18th).


Carl Nichols

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Re: Armchair Architect contest (Mission Hills/Schmidt-Curley)
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2010, 02:44:26 PM »
I was waiting to see where the tees were on the chopsticks hole.
Because if the tees are at the base of the chopsticks - play along the length of the chopsticks vs. if the tees require the player to hit across the chopsticks...
are 2 entirely different stories....

Even if you assume you're playing along the length of the chopsticks, it still depends on which end you pick, so it's really 3 different stories.  We'd probably all assume you'd tee off from the wide end, but you could flip it, with the safe/bailout area being long (where the chopsticks flare out)