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Pete_Pittock

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If you're going to switch the nines for a tourrnament
« on: December 02, 2010, 05:58:38 PM »
why isn't it routed that way in the first place?  Watching the golf going on at Sherwood I'm suprised to see the lack of topics with the leaderboard.

David_Tepper

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Re: If you're going to switch the nines for a tourrnament
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 06:01:05 PM »
Peter -

To quote David Mamet, "things change." ;)

Remember, the nines at AGNC were switched once upon a time.

DT

Bill_McBride

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Re: If you're going to switch the nines for a tourrnament
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2010, 12:06:51 AM »
I think somebody said they just switched 8 and 9 for 17 and 18.  Not sure who.  Maybe Anthony or Garland.

Jim Nugent

Re: If you're going to switch the nines for a tourrnament
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2010, 12:15:44 AM »
Peter -

To quote David Mamet, "things change." ;)

Remember, the nines at AGNC were switched once upon a time.

DT

And TOC used to play backwards.  And didn't CBM reverse the nines at NGLA as well? 

Pete_Pittock

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Re: If you're going to switch the nines for a tourrnament
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2010, 01:45:39 AM »
I can buy the ANGC argument, but TOC evolved and I don't remember NGLA as being a tournament course, especially in the television era. With the pedigree of the architect and barely being 20 years old, was Sherwood designed without thought of it holding a professional event? I'd buy into that

Bill, the whole course is reversed from member play if I remember correctly from a couple of years ago. My guess is the relative sitings of the 9th and 18th green. I'll need to consult my yardage book.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2010, 01:52:30 AM by Pete_Pittock »

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: If you're going to switch the nines for a tourrnament
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2010, 09:54:00 AM »
K Club Palmer Course had 1-8 and 10-17 swapped for professional tournaments and Ryder Cup. I was told that this was to keep visitor play flowing, but I couldn't see why that might be on my one brief visit.

Royal Melbourne Composite has had a couple of incarnations, but then that course wasn't envisaged by the architects of the East and West. Or was it?

Matthew Petersen

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Re: If you're going to switch the nines for a tourrnament
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2010, 11:15:32 AM »
Based on the web site for the tournament vs. the web site for the country club, it appears they have reversed the nines except for keeping 9 & 18 as usual (18 is a bit of a more dramatic finisher with water fronting the green).

What's strange is that I remember watching earlier incarnations of this tournament years ago, as well as playing the course on computer golf games and I'm fairly certain that the way the course is playing now is how it was laid out back then. So either they've always played tournaments (and set up video games) with the alternate routing, or they switched the nines for member play at some point.

Matt_Ward

Re: If you're going to switch the nines for a tourrnament
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2010, 11:18:22 AM »
Pete:

In the '87 US Women's Open at Plainfield they reversed the nines so that the 9th could be used as the concluding hole for gallery and easier viewing options.

Clearly, it's something that is done when exceptional situations are involved.

Matthew Petersen

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Re: If you're going to switch the nines for a tourrnament
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2010, 11:22:27 AM »
Also, even the tournament web site is inconsistent. Their hole-by-hole course tour has the CC configuration, but the course/spectator map is how they are playing it for the tournament.

JohnV

Re: If you're going to switch the nines for a tourrnament
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2010, 11:38:34 AM »
Come on Peter, you're a member at a club where they stole one hole from the other course to replace one for a tournament.   ;) As I recall, it had to do with crowd control, like that would be an issue at a Champions Tour event (even a so-called major).  I'm sure this has to do with a back nine that would be more exciting and visual on TV.

Jim Nugent

Re: If you're going to switch the nines for a tourrnament
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2010, 01:49:16 AM »
I can buy the ANGC argument, but TOC evolved and I don't remember NGLA as being a tournament course, especially in the television era.


You are right, of course.  I glossed over that 'minor' detail about tournament play.  My bad...

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