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Mike_Young

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FROM NPR OR SOMEWHERE....

There's a good chance you own something by Thomas Kinkade. The artist's warm, cozy paintings have been widely reprinted on calendars, coffee mugs and more — and it's estimated that his work appears in 1 in every 20 U.S. homes.

Yet Kinkade's company is struggling. Dogged by fraud allegations, his company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in June, and it plans to be back in court soon to file a plan of reorganization.

But financial challenges aside, Kinkade's artwork continues to sell. He is, after all, the "Painter of Light" — he came up with the nickname himself.

Kinkade has said that the light that streams through his paintings is the light of Jesus. Above, his 2008 work Christmas in New York.
'Christmas in New York' by Thomas Kinkade
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Kinkade has said that the light that streams through his paintings is the light of Jesus. Above, his 2008 work Christmas in New York.

God's Light?

A Thomas Kinkade can make you feel like you're strolling down a cobblestone path to a cozy cottage with smoke puffing out the chimney.

"When I look at a Thomas Kinkade painting, I get a warm, soft, cozy feeling," says window shopper Anna Kayne. "Like I want to go into where that is and be part of it."

Kayne, who was browsing an art gallery in Irvine, Calif., says she particularly likes Kinkade's winter vistas — the perfect blankets of snow over peaceful gardens, the snow-covered cottages lit from within.

"I think it harkens back to some imagined past," she says, "before cities, before crowds, before traffic, before the stresses of everyday life."

Ami Davis, who teaches art at the University of California, Los Angeles, wrote her master's thesis on Kinkade. "I've heard [about] almost quasi-religious experiences with some of these paintings," Davis says.

Kinkade has said the light that streams through his paintings is the light of Jesus. But some of his gallery owners have accused the artist of using shared Christian values to defraud them. They say he persuaded them to open galleries in areas that couldn't support them — and then competitively undervalued his own paintings.

"It's very disappointing when an individual expresses a worldview that's about peace, love, joy, family, and then ends up taking a position that is contradictory," says Terry Sheppard, a longtime colleague of Kinkade's. Sheppard testified in lawsuits that several of Kinkade's gallery owners brought against the artist.

The gallery owners won a nearly $3 million judgment and are attempting to collect after the company declared bankruptcy. To add to the artist's troubles, Kinkade was arrested for a DUI in June; his mug shot has made its way around the Internet.

'An Incredible Footprint'

But never mind the legal and financial troubles, the criticism and the controversies — Kinkade's work continues to sell.

"I've been carrying Thomas Kinkade for over 22 years," says Marty Brown, co-owner of the Village Gallery in Irvine. "And the fact that he's been selling with such regularity for such a long time is unprecedented."
'Beauty and the Beast Falling in Love' by Thomas Kinkade.
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Beauty and the Beast Falling in Love is a 2010 painting from Kinkade's Disney Dreams Collection. He says in his paintings for Disney, he has "attempted to portray a panorama of the entire movie, rather than an individual scene."
'Beauty and the Beast Falling in Love' by Thomas Kinkade.
Thomas Kinkade

Beauty and the Beast Falling in Love is a 2010 painting from Kinkade's Disney Dreams Collection. He says in his paintings for Disney, he has "attempted to portray a panorama of the entire movie, rather than an individual scene."

The Kinkade Co. sees the success as part of a calculated business mode — it methodically sells Kinkade's products in as many formats as possible, from calendars to lithographs to armchairs.

"What's compelling about this brand is, over the course of time, about 25 million people have purchased a Kinkade product," says company COO Frank Turrell. "That's an incredible footprint."

Turrell adds that the company is also changing strategies, and the galleries at the heart of the fraud allegations are no longer the main key to expansion. New plans include building partnerships with companies like Disney and Warner Bros., and strengthening avenues that cater directly to consumers, like home shopping corporation QVC.

"If you can restructure the fundamentals of the business and get the cost structure down," Turrell says, "there's an enormous demand out there for Tom's products."

Not that any of these corporate strategies matter to Kinkade's longtime fans such as Kayne. "This is the first time I heard of his bankruptcy," she says from the gallery in Irvine. "And I don't look at his paintings any differently. I won't."
 
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 10:21:26 AM »
Going bankrupt is the first thing that hack has done to resemble a fine artist.  Art purchased by women in stretch pants should be limited to a velvet canvas hung in a wheeled abode.

Now NY's off track betting parlors going bankrupt is a much more serious matter.

Mike Hendren

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 10:37:17 AM »
Going bankrupt is the first thing that hack has done to resemble a fine artist.  Art purchased by women in stretch pants should be limited to a velvet canvas hung in a wheeled abode.

Now NY's off track betting parlors going bankrupt is a much more serious matter.

Finally! Barney regains his stride.  Just the other day I was harking back to the days of the "Fat Dixie Chick" and got verklempt.

John, please humor me with a Thomas Kinkaid haiku.

Mike
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

John Kavanaugh

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 10:58:53 AM »
Mike,

One of my recent hobbies has been attempting, poorly I might add, to channel the style of Jeff Dawson.  My purchase of Johnnie-O shirts was a disaster. www.johnnie-o.com My wife gave them away before I even tried them on.

That being said. I have been perusing Vintage Rolex web sites and found this thread that has ruined me on my beloved Haiku.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=153981

Mike_Young

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 11:27:33 AM »
John,
I just thought this carried a similar vein as golf course design in the last 25 years.....

But JK...forget that rolex stuff....you need to be where I buy..   http://www.dressthatman.com/pages/DISCOsuits.htm  some of the best polyester 1970 leisure suits one can find....Shaft even dresses here....
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Bob_Huntley

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 12:43:33 PM »
If Thomas Kincaid's art was subject to SEC oversight he would be convicted for impersonating an artist. The stuff is pure drivel and the religious fervor in pushing it is a fraud.

Some poor soul in Southern California had something like 30 to 40 of his works put away as an investment; try selling one now for the original purchase price.

Bob
« Last Edit: December 01, 2010, 12:46:15 PM by Bob_Huntley »

Charlie Goerges

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 12:56:05 PM »
John, I hate to say it, but that was one of the funniest things I've read on here all year. I read it out to my co-worker and he laughed out loud too. Absolutely, positively, devastatingly accurate.
Severally on the occasion of everything that thou doest, pause and ask thyself, if death is a dreadful thing because it deprives thee of this. - Marcus Aurelius

Bob_Huntley

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 12:58:30 PM »
I daresay this might pay off some of the bankruptcy claims.

http://www.primelocation.com/international-property/details/id/HJOO999003312/


Bob

Kyle Harris

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 12:58:52 PM »
Rabo Karabikien had to go through Sateen Duralux before he got to "Now, it's the women's turn."

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 01:13:20 PM »
Sounds like Kincaide would fit right in here  :o  :

And then there is Kinkade's proclivity for "ritual territory marking," as he called it, which allegedly manifested itself in the late 1990s outside the Disneyland Hotel in Anaheim.
"This one's for you, Walt," the artist quipped late one night as he urinated on a Winnie the Pooh figure, said Terry Sheppard, a former vice president for Kinkade's company, in an interview.


 ;)
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Norbert P

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 01:41:51 PM »


  "Painter of Light".   Piffle!  Self agrandizing elevator music commodity art.   Brings down the status of painters everywhere. 
    Oh wait, I do that.

  Anyway, Klunkade couldn't hold a candle to Vermeer.




     


 
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Brad Wilbur

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 01:53:01 PM »
I certainly hope the "whale art" market isn't also affected.  Nothing looks more at home than a six foot humpback whale painting here in the desert.  And you guys think Shadow Creek looks out of place.

Norbert P

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 02:27:52 PM »
                        

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« Last Edit: December 01, 2010, 02:44:48 PM by Slag Bandoon »
"Golf is only meant to be a small part of one’s life, centering around health, relaxation and having fun with friends/family." R"C"M

Bill_McBride

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 03:17:21 PM »
John,
I just thought this carried a similar vein as golf course design in the last 25 years.....

But JK...forget that rolex stuff....you need to be where I buy..   http://www.dressthatman.com/pages/DISCOsuits.htm  some of the best polyester 1970 leisure suits one can find....Shaft even dresses here....


How is the Phatass line selling?

Mike_Young

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 03:19:56 PM »
John,
I just thought this carried a similar vein as golf course design in the last 25 years.....

But JK...forget that rolex stuff....you need to be where I buy..   http://www.dressthatman.com/pages/DISCOsuits.htm  some of the best polyester 1970 leisure suits one can find....Shaft even dresses here....


How is the Phatass line selling?

Bill..
How insulting ;D.....it is  Fa Tass....moving slowly but surely.... ;D ;D
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

john_stiles

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2010, 10:17:06 PM »
It seemed most every mall in the south had a store.  I hope the gallery owners are paid if the company comes out of bankruptcy.  Looks like the court's judgement was justice in the end.

Could never bring myself to enter the galleries.  The few galleries,  where I actually stopped to look at the window,  had this serpentine entrance and I was never sure I would be able to find my way out.


RSLivingston_III

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2010, 11:40:14 PM »
This might be the most interesting OT thread yet. I started laughing out load on Johns post and my wife demanded to see what I was reading.
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Mike_Young

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2010, 09:14:26 AM »
This might be the most interesting OT thread yet. I started laughing out load on Johns post and my wife demanded to see what I was reading.

I honestly did not consider this off topic....
I think that many of the over hyped " best piece of land I have ever seen" golf courses built for 10 times what it should cost are in the same realm as these Kincade paintings....all due to an unknowing consumer....many were just cookie cutter with tons of marketing....JMO
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Mike Nuzzo

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2010, 10:14:27 AM »
I haven't thought of Kinkade's work since the last time it was discussed here.
I needed to see what he's been up to....

I wonder how many associates he has painting for him?


Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

George Pazin

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2010, 10:24:04 AM »
I haven't thought of Kinkade's work since the last time it was discussed here.
I needed to see what he's been up to....

I wonder how many associates he has painting for him?




Mike, surely you know that if he simply chose to concentrate on one piece at a time, he'd be doing work right up there with Picasso and co... He just chose a different business model, and does not receive the positive bias that the likes of Rembrandt receive.

 :)
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Richard Choi

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2010, 12:15:21 PM »
If Thomas Kincaid's art was subject to SEC oversight he would be convicted for impersonating an artist. The stuff is pure drivel and the religious fervor in pushing it is a fraud.

Some poor soul in Southern California had something like 30 to 40 of his works put away as an investment; try selling one now for the original purchase price.

Bob

Bob, if it was under SEC oversight, he would have been bailed out with billions in government funds and everyone who bought the painting would have been able to dump them for cost to a government backed entity.

Norbert P

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2010, 12:28:05 PM »


  This picture is like smelling salts for the eyes. 

 
"Golf is only meant to be a small part of one’s life, centering around health, relaxation and having fun with friends/family." R"C"M

Buck Wolter

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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2010, 12:38:08 PM »
Thomas Kinkade, an avid golfer, painted "Living Waters" as the perfect golf hole. In describing his new painting, he stated: "To me golf has always been about the search for the ideal -- the enjoyment of a perfected landscape. Savor the peacefulness and beauty that for many golfers is the very essence of the game."

Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience -- CS Lewis

jonathan_becker

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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2010, 01:06:52 PM »
Of course, I've heard of Thomas Kinkade, but until this thread I've never taken the time to actually look at some of his work.  The 2 paintings shown above are....well....i'm not quite sure what to say.  My first question would be "does this guy paint while on hallucinogens?"

Eric Smith

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Re: It's not just golf courses....The painter of light also overbuilt...
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2010, 01:23:36 PM »
Of course, I've heard of Thomas Kinkade, but until this thread I've never taken the time to actually look at some of his work.  The 2 paintings shown above are....well....i'm not quite sure what to say.  My first question would be "does this guy paint while on hallucinogens?"



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