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David Stamm

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Setting a course to music
« on: November 16, 2010, 10:24:41 PM »
Fine architecture is, in part at least, fine art. When I look back on some of my most cherished moments on golf courses, I often think about what piece of music fits that particular experience the most. I've been very fortunate to play a few of some of the truly great courses, but my day at Cypress Point Club is a day I reflect on the most, and when I hear this piece, it often makes me remember all the details of that wonderful day at the Sistine Chapel of Golf......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUng79bpGxs



Are there some pieces of music that remind you of certain courses that you've played? We could have some fun with this as well, as there are some true stinkers I myself have played and I'm sure I could pair an equally bad piece of music/song to it. In addition, there are some really tough ones, such as TPC Stadium or Spyglass Hill that harken to Nazareth's "Hair of the Dog". Have at it!
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Gene Greco

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 10:49:43 PM »
Copland's "Appalachian Spring" when I am at Sand Hills Golf Club
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Eric Smith

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2010, 07:11:55 AM »
Harbour Town. The Mundahs. Smilin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okvt4q00xTs
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Melvyn Morrow

Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2010, 07:56:11 AM »

Hit a Good Tee Shot then walk to the ball with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOPxY3EM9I4&feature=related

Tee to a bunker then you walk to the ball with a little indifference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epimq-8ytOU&feature=related

That Hole in One – The slow walk to glory and the record books
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGBVcqjFsVs&feature=related

Anticipation of the 19th after a poor 18th Tee shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9nZ_qqf70I&feature=related

The pleasure of playing the National Game of Scotland on her home courses. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)


Melvyn

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Colin Macqueen

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2010, 08:33:58 AM »
David.

Verbum caro factum est... I thought I knew what the Latin meant and looked it up on Google I was almost correct. However in chasing the meaning down I came across this description  ......."a marriage of the mystical and the earthly". Absolutely true for the chant and perfectly suited, I imagine, to a round of golf played at the "Sistine Chapel of Golf".

Cheers Colin
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Chris Buie

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2010, 08:54:54 AM »
Hmm, let's go with Holst for a tough one like Oakmont:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MiuM9_p_U8&feature=related
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2010, 09:23:57 AM »
Have we ever mentioned how closely the "Jazz Age" in America (roughly 1915-1929) mirrored the "Golden Age"?

Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue" (1924, I think) both promoted and 'formalized' the music. Don't know what course that would be like, but wanted to toss out the music part.

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Lou_Duran

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2010, 09:49:13 AM »
David,

I was at the Sistine Chapel last year and other than holding tight to my wallet (pickpockets aplenty, we were warned) and developing a sore neck from looking up, it was not all that memorable; my highest expectations unrealized.

Not so the case with the beloved CPC, though it has been many years, the following might reflect the feelings walking from 15 to 16, standing on the vastly underrated 17, playing the too much maligned 18, and wanting nothing more than to run to 1 and do it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILEsEK-JkJI&feature=related

Among my favorite pieces of music from all eras.
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David Stamm

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2010, 10:06:24 AM »
Quote from: Lou_Duran on November 17, 2010, 09:49:13 AM
David,

I was at the Sistine Chapel last year and other than holding tight to my wallet (pickpockets aplenty, we were warned) and developing a sore neck from looking up, it was not all that memorable; my highest expectations unrealized.

 


I guess we all experience different feelings at different places. I thought the Sistine was wonderful, especially since as a kid I had seen Charlton Heston and Rex Harrison in "The Agony & the Ecstasy" many times and had dreamed I would get there some day to see it. But I can see how someone might not think it's that memorable, especially if they had just come from St. Peters.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2010, 10:21:26 AM »
David - I've watched that movie several times too, and have always enjoyed it.  Most people don't rate Heston very highly as an actor, but I think he's just fine, and actually very good in that movie. After all, how can we know what a genius like Michaelangelo (or Moses) was really like?

Haven't been to Rome yet. Must get there some day.

Peter
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JMEvensky

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2010, 10:45:37 AM »
Quote from: PPallotta on November 17, 2010, 10:21:26 AM

 Most people don't rate Heston very highly as an actor,
 

With very good reason.

Rhapsody in Blue,or just about anything by Gershwin,would have to accompany a NYC-area course.I'd vote WFW.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2010, 11:12:42 AM »
Ha, ha - I understand your pov, Jeff. But I feel for Chuck - he tried so hard to be good. And again, how can we judge a good actor, i.e. pretender, when we don't know what the person he's pretending to be was like? For all I know, Michealangelo was exactly the kind of person Chuch played him to be. (Probably not, I admit, but...)

Yes, spot on re Gershwin! Of course, a New York area course

Peter
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2010, 12:54:03 PM »
Wasn't it Michaelangelo who answered an enquiry, 'Sorry, guv, I don't do ceilings.'
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2010, 01:20:41 PM »
Quote from: PPallotta on November 17, 2010, 09:23:57 AM
Have we ever mentioned how closely the "Jazz Age" in America (roughly 1915-1929) mirrored the "Golden Age"?

Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue" (1924, I think) both promoted and 'formalized' the music. Don't know what course that would be like, but wanted to toss out the music part.



Peter --

The course would have to have, at some point, a fantastic climb, which would finally reveal a spectacular view -- as with the magnificent opening clarinet glissando of "Rhapsody in Blue" -- at, e.g., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U40xBSz6Dc.

Neither of these is a Jazz Age course, of course, but:

That passage reminds me of the 1st tee at Sutton Bay.

Haven't been there, yet, but doesn't Pacific Dunes have a great high tee after a good uphill hike?

Dan
Father of a Clarinetist (and I hope I have used "glissando" correctly!)
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Carl Rogers

Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2010, 01:50:02 PM »
Beethoven Symphony No. 6, The Pastoral Symphony

.... could fit any number of courses other than a Strantz or a Dye
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George Pazin

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2010, 01:51:15 PM »
Rhapsody in Blue seems too light-hearted for WFW - seems more like NGLA.

WFW and Oakmont scream for something stern like Wagner. Though since the story is that Tchaikovsky's great violin concerto was once thought too difficult to actually be played, that might be more in order for one of those... :)

The Sistine Chapel is one of the few great things I've experienced that actually surpassed its lofty expectations. But art is probably second only to food as the most subjective thing around. I had a tshirt hanging in the back of my shop that a friend painted while bored waiting for me to get the next job running. Ended up taking it home and mounting it, it was too good to throw away.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2010, 01:58:37 PM »
Quote from: George Pazin on November 17, 2010, 01:51:15 PM
Rhapsody in Blue seems too light-hearted for WFW - seems more like NGLA.

Point well taken!

And which course would this -- John Cage's "4'33" " -- be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E?

Perhaps EVERY course!

------------- That's a great piece, I've suddenly realized, for anyone suffering from a bit of tinnitus.

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JMEvensky

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2010, 02:08:33 PM »
Quote from: George Pazin on November 17, 2010, 01:51:15 PM


WFW and Oakmont scream for something stern like Wagner. Though since the story is that Tchaikovsky's great violin concerto was once thought too difficult to actually be played, that might be more in order for one of those... :)


Agree that WFW/Oakmont might be better served by the Tchaikovsky violin concerto.

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George Pazin

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2010, 02:08:50 PM »
Quote from: Dan Kelly on November 17, 2010, 01:58:37 PM
------------- That's a great piece, I've suddenly realized, for anyone suffering from a bit of tinnitus.

Actually, as one who has tinnitus pretty bad, I can honestly say that silence is one of the worst things. There is no silence, only ringing. At least loud noises drown out tinnitus, more or less.

----

Vivaldi's Four Seasons wouldn't really work at Cypress or the Riv, I guess!

I'd pick Green Day's Chump for Sawgrass!! ;D

Dan, how do you feel about excessive exclamation points?
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2010, 02:35:49 PM »
For Stone Harbor, I was thinking "Anarchy in the U.K.", despite it being in the U.S.
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Scott Szabo

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2010, 02:42:56 PM »
For Ballyneal it can be only one, thanks to one of GCA's most beloved!
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2010, 04:16:43 PM »
Dan - indeed you did.  The beautiful glissando followed by the 'bent' blues notes, and then all the orchestra jumping in with that huge pronoucement of the theme....ahh....

Have I told you that I too am a clarinettist? Wonderful instrument, one that virtually disappeared from jazz at just about the same time that men stopped wearing fedoras and music stopped beng something you could dance to cheek-to-cheek.

I am awaiting a big come back!!

From the Swing Era, for your clarinettist: a small group number and a big band number:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHG6uUlCA2o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtB6dijjWl8

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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2010, 04:43:00 PM »
Quote from: Shivas on November 17, 2010, 04:37:52 PM
Every time I play a course that has held the US Open, "Love's Theme" by Barry White and the Love Unlimited Orchestra plays in my head...replete with a flyover view and voiceover by Jack Whittaker or Jim MacKay, depending on what kind of mood I'm in.

That one's on my iPod!
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Eric Smith

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2010, 04:46:57 PM »
Quote from: Shivas on November 17, 2010, 04:37:52 PM
Every time I play a course that has held the US Open, "Love's Theme" by Barry White and the Love Unlimited Orchestra plays in my head...replete with a flyover view and voiceover by Jack Whittaker or Jim MacKay, depending on what kind of mood I'm in.

Awesome. That really takes me back Shivas...short shorts, Club Special, Jones bag and persimmon.  Thanks!
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Setting a course to music
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2010, 05:10:53 PM »
Quote from: PPallotta on November 17, 2010, 04:16:43 PM
Have I told you that I too am a clarinettist?

You have not.

Screw the organ (so to speak). As far as I'm concerned, the clarinet is the King of Instruments.

It can't help but have a comeback, someday. You can't keep the greats down.
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