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Brian Phillips

I said it before and I will say it again.  I was stunned when Bro Hof was allowed to be built the way it has been built and now it looks like they were not allowed to build it that way anyway......

http://www.swedishgolfonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1487

« Last Edit: November 16, 2010, 10:26:28 AM by Brian Phillips »
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Bruce Katona

Re: Bro Hoff to fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 09:48:22 AM »
The article reads as if the project were developed here in the U.S.  If 100% on point, the project developer took an existing site, which had been altered from it's natural state, stabilized it, constructed a tax revenue producing developed property (in accordance with some agreement and approved plan) and after the project has been completed someone within a branch of the government decided the project was not completed in accordance with perhaps a different plan and thus a portion of the site needs to be returned to some previous condition by a certain date of a large fine will be imposed.

And those of you who would like to construct the next Bandon Dunes/Pine Valley/Whisteling Straits/Sand Hills wonder why it takes so long, costs so much and why projects are not done in a timely manner.
"If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung
Would you hear my voice come through the music
Would you hold it near as it were your own....."
Robert Hunter, Jerome Garcia

Adam Lawrence

Re: Bro Hoff to fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 09:57:07 AM »
As I understand it, Sweden has a law that says development is not allowed within a certain distance of natural watercourses. No exceptions. Given that the 15th and 16th at Bro Hof protrude into the lake, it was always a matter of some interest as to how they got round this regulation. When I was there in 2008, I asked Bjorn Oras that question, and he told me they had mitigated the issue with some other land elsewhere on the property. That answer seemed pretty unsatisfactory at the time - how can you mitigate when something is just banned outright? - but time and propriety didn't permit me to pursue the issue any further. It would seem we now know the answer - you can't.
Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
www.golfcoursearchitecture.net

Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
www.oxfordgolfconsulting.com

Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Brian Phillips

Re: Bro Hoff to fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 10:39:51 AM »
The article reads as if the project were developed here in the U.S.  If 100% on point, the project developer took an existing site, which had been altered from it's natural state, stabilized it, constructed a tax revenue producing developed property (in accordance with some agreement and approved plan) and after the project has been completed someone within a branch of the government decided the project was not completed in accordance with perhaps a different plan and thus a portion of the site needs to be returned to some previous condition by a certain date of a large fine will be imposed.

And those of you who would like to construct the next Bandon Dunes/Pine Valley/Whisteling Straits/Sand Hills wonder why it takes so long, costs so much and why projects are not done in a timely manner.
Most construction projects in Scandinavia are completed by "self governance", if you do not understand what your are building or which laws you should be building to you employ someone who does so that you do not break the law.  When you apply for permits you gain permitting once you have gone through the planning administration and then you govern the project yourself as an owner based on the laws of that country.

Bro Hof did not use a European or Scandinavian design team they used an American company....

Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Jeff_Brauer

Re: Bro Hoff to be fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 10:43:35 AM »
RTJ often advertises themselves as enviornmental experts, last year issuing and "environmental proclamation."  I am not sure of the merits of either side by reading that article, but in any event, this issue may be a black eye for them if word spreads too far.  BTW, one of the pitfalls of international work has to be perhaps not understanding subtle differences in the legal system!  I often pictured myself languishing in some Singapore or Indonesian jail for some trivial offense (most likley there to be not paying off the right people......)
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Michael Dugger

Re: Bro Hoff to be fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 11:32:08 AM »
"Self governing?"

I like this concept, but it sure would cost us a lot of jobs in America! 
 
What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Jeff_Brauer

Re: Bro Hoff to be fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2010, 04:45:34 PM »
Got this in an email this afternoon, with someone challenging the right of a non profit organization to certify (or allow a client to self certify) environmental quality and then take any kind of credit for it.  I would say "only in America" if not for this thread.......

Class Action Suit Accuses USGBC of Fraud, Criticizes LEED

Green is good, right? Well these days, it depends on whom you ask. But first, a little history:
The U.S. Green Building Council, or USGBC, came to be during a time when heightened awareness about environmental welfare led to a widespread shift toward utilizing construction methods designed to lessen the impact of buildings on the environment and human health. And yes, this is a good thing—buildings account for roughly 40 percent of the total energy use in the U.S. (more than the entire transportation sector).
Founded in 1993, the USGBC is a private, non-for-profit organization whose LEED (or Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) program has become the benchmark for green building certification. Thousands of LEED-certified buildings can be found across the U.S., and myriad design and construction professionals have pursued training to become LEED Accredited Professionals or Green Associates. One man, however, will not be among them.
Going against the Green
In October LEED critic and president of Gifford Fuel Saving, Inc. Henry Gifford filed a class action lawsuit against the USGBC and founders David Gottfried, Richard Fedrizzi and Rob Watson on behalf of all “…consumers, taxpayers, and building design and construction professionals,” alleging misconduct with regard to the USGBC’s LEED rating systems and accusing the organization of trying to monopolize the green building market through, among other things, deceptive trade practices and false advertising.
Fraud, Deception and Racketeering, Oh My
The General Allegations of the suit, as outlined in the official complaint, include claims that the current LEED rating systems are flawed for several reasons, including imputations that LEED certification is based on projected energy use rather than real data; that LEED does not require any verification of the data submitted; and that the USGBC “essentially allows applicants to self-certify,” thus benefiting their reputation in the green building industry while misleading consumers and discrediting non-LEED-certified companies who may, in fact, be using effective energy-saving methods.
The suit also challenges the USGBC claim that LEED buildings are “25-30% more energy efficient than non-LEED buildings,” arguing that the March 2008 New Buildings Institute study from which the figures were derived utilized data from only a small percentage of LEED-certified buildings. Further, it implies that the owners of those buildings had voluntarily provided the information used in the study and that LEED-certified buildings have a “vested interest in boosting the value of the LEED certification for which they paid a substantial premium”.
And as if fraud and deception were not enough, also included in the suit is a RICO claim—that’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act for those unfamiliar with the lingo. Originally enacted to prosecute organized crime members (read: the mafia), the current RICO Act covers a broad range of illegal activity relating to commerce. With regard to the USGBC suit, the plaintiffs claim the organization made false statements about the validity of the LEED rating system and purposely tried to sell LEED certification and accreditations based on those fraudulent misrepresentations. Clearly Gifford is a man on a mission.
The Ripple Effect
Since it was filed with the United States District Court on October 8, Gifford’s lawsuit has prompted much discussion—and not just among those in the design and construction industry. The ambitious nature of the class action suit has caught the attention of the legal world as well. For example, there are a few key criteria that need to be met when filing a class action suit, one of which is that the affected parties must suffer the same harm from the alleged misconduct of the defendant (in this case USGBC). And, as one attorney puts it, did the false statements cause any harm at all to these plaintiffs? Only time and a thorough investigation will tell.
How Will the USGBC Respond?
In response to the class action suit the USGBC has remained relatively quiet, stating simply that they will review the allegations and respond in due time. There is no mention of the litigation on their website and upon questioning, representatives—including co-founders Rob Watson and Michael Italiano (notably absent from the list of defendants)—stand behind the USGBC and the value of the LEED certification program, saying that the goal of the program is to provide the tools necessary for positive change.
Indeed, for nearly two decades the high standards employed by the USGBC have set the benchmark for energy-efficient and environmentally responsible design, underscoring the organization’s deep commitment to a prosperous and sustainable future through green building. For those interested, their website provides an extensive LEED Projects & Case Studies Directory where visitors can view specific LEED projects and locate LEED Accredited Professionals
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Adam Russell

Re: Bro Hoff to be fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2010, 05:24:49 PM »
I am a LEED AP and agree with most of the above. It is a money-making machine...
The only way that I could figure they could improve upon Coca-Cola, one of life's most delightful elixirs, which studies prove will heal the sick and occasionally raise the dead, is to put rum or bourbon in it.” -Lewis Grizzard

Tom_Doak

Re: Bro Hoff to be fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2010, 06:44:54 PM »
This might have cost them their dream of hosting the Ryder Cup, too.  The Ryder Cup is fully signed on with the Golf Environment Organization and they are committed to hosting the event on sustainable golf courses.

Carl Rogers

Re: Bro Hoff to be fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2010, 07:03:24 PM »
I am a LEED AP and agree with most of the above. It is a money-making machine...
Jeff B,

I am a LEED AP, too.  Kind of have to be if you are an Architect in the world of GSA & DOD.  Yes, USGBC markets well.

I want to be optimistic that at the end of our lives, the range of real issues will be thrashed out and effective & verifiable measurements can be developed.  The debate & disagreement over process needs to find a conclusion.

It is time to focus on results.

Adam Lawrence

Re: Bro Hoff to be fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2010, 03:25:54 AM »
This might have cost them their dream of hosting the Ryder Cup, too.  The Ryder Cup is fully signed on with the Golf Environment Organization and they are committed to hosting the event on sustainable golf courses.

Bro Hof withdrew from the Ryder Cup competition quite a long time ago - they couldn't put together a sufficiently substantial funding package.
Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
www.golfcoursearchitecture.net

Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
www.oxfordgolfconsulting.com

Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Jon Wiggett

Re: Bro Hoff to be fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2010, 04:20:12 AM »
This might have cost them their dream of hosting the Ryder Cup, too.  The Ryder Cup is fully signed on with the Golf Environment Organization and they are committed to hosting the event on sustainable golf courses.

Tom,

they rebuilt the Ryder Cup course at Celtic Manor I think three times in about ten years. How sustainable is that? On paper you maybe right on the course must sustainable but it is still down to money at the end of the day.

Jon

Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

Re: Bro Hoff to be fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2010, 04:49:14 AM »
Here are some very gloomy pictures (June 2010) of the holes in question.



Schematic of 15th hole, clearly showing the green site situated out on a small peninsula.



View from black tee at 15th.



Closer view from black tee at 15th.



15th, white tee.



15th, yellow tee.



15th fairway.



Looking back from behind 15th green



Aerial of 16th hole during construction.



Present aerial of 16th hole.



18th hole in bottom left, 16th hole a little right of centre and 15th hole in top right of picture.



18th hole in bottom left, 16th hole a little right of centre and 15th hole in top right of picture.



Schematic of 18th hole. Proposed black tee would have been at water's edge in bottom left of picture.



View of present 18th tees.

The tee in the background is for 373-m. There seems to have been some compromise made here as the proposed black tee at 432-m would have had to be placed 50-m back amongst the long rushes. During the autumn this is a no go area, as thousands of birds stop here on their migration south. During the Nordea Masters in July I asked one of the guys manning this tee, why the advertised length on the card was still 432-m, yet the tee farthest back was at 373-m. The pros played this hole at 373-m. He explained that they were prevented from building the black tee due to conservation issues.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2010, 04:51:02 AM by Donal OCeallaigh »

Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

Re: Bro Hoff to be fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2010, 07:57:26 AM »
Here's what it says in the Bro Hof course guide:

Exception to shoreline protection regulations

In the original discussions the course could not be built closer than 100 metres to Lake Mälaren. The issue of protected coastlines was solved by using the possibility given in the Swedish Environmental Code to compensate breaching the regulation with something else. Bro Hof Slott therefore acquired more land and reserved a total of 70 hectares of land and 300 hectares of water for what has now become the Broängarna Nature Reserve. The few hectares of protected coastline that Bro Hof Slott has used for the golf course have been compensated with an area 20 times as big. The area has also become more easily accessible for the general public, who can now reach Lake Mälaren via nature trails. In addition there is increased protection for the flora and fauna.

Jeff_Brauer

Re: Bro Hoff to be fined for breaking environmental construction laws
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2010, 08:34:04 AM »
Forgetting the enviro side for a moment, this issue raises a good question and possibly answers it -

How much is an "XX" hole worth, in this case a Cape Hole par 5 and fairly typical water par 3.  In almost any design, there are opportunities or near opportunities.  Because this was hopefully a tournament course, RTJII and/or the owner wanted a scenic water hole sequence.  Besides the construction cost of pushing holes out in the lake, they knew they would have the additonal land cost, and as it may turn out, the fines associated with breaking the national enviro code.

Was it worth it to get a particular type of shot or look?  Only they can answer for that situation, but in a general way, does a reachable, cape hole par 5 in the last four holes justify any particular expense, or would their have been a nearly as good hole to be had 50 meters off the shoreline?  We sometimes talk of gca's forcing certain ideas on the land as opposed to taking what the land gives them.  Is this a case of that?  If so, was it justified?

Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

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