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Dan Kelly

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2010, 03:54:22 PM »
"That has always been the best-choreographed piece of live announcing I've ever seen"

You're right, Shivas. So good in fact that I almost can't believe it wasn't choreographed.

Like a perfect jazz solo, it spins out and develops so effortlessly, and ends so so fully-formed and so right, that it's hard to conceive of it being a spontaneous creation.

But it is (and was).

All the more reason, perhaps, to put our faith in the possibility and promise of spontaneous creation....

Peter --

You're wandering *dangerously* close to the dreaded beard-pulling....

Dan

P.S. Speaking of creation: DON'T MISS my post # 21 on the Typographical Poster thread!
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Mike Hamilton

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2010, 04:04:06 PM »
Like a handful of other great sports stories does everyone remember where they were when the "bear came out of hibernation"?

I was a senior in college, only occasionally went out and hacked a round with some buddies and NEVER watched televised golf.  I was alone that afternoon at my apartment and before heading out to meet folks to complete some project clicked over early in the broadcast.  Needless to say I was signifcantly late.  No way could I turn it off and even then I knew I had watched something truly special.

Peter Pallotta

Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2010, 04:23:23 PM »
" Peter -- You're wandering *dangerously* close to the dreaded beard-pulling...."

Ah, Dan, yes - the (inevitable) yang to the ying that is spontaneous creation; its dark side, its shadow.  Imagine if I'd been in the booth with Weiskopf and Nance? I would've ruined the moment with my unneccessary (but inevitable?) beard pulling.

Thank you for suggesting that I was only "close" to doing that here.

And thanks for the terrific Dylan piece.

Peter

PThomas

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2010, 04:31:14 PM »
in his New Yorker article afterwards, Herb WInd called Jack's win the most significant event in the game since Bobby Jones Grand Slam....do you agree?
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JESII

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2010, 04:37:15 PM »
Maybe at that time...24 years later, no!

As of today I would say Tiger's 1997 Masters.




If you could watch one golf event ever, which would it be?

PCCraig

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2010, 04:38:28 PM »
in his New Yorker article afterwards, Herb WInd called Jack's win the most significant event in the game since Bobby Jones Grand Slam....do you agree?

Not anymore...

I would give the '97 Masters more importance for changing the game.
H.P.S.

Joe Bausch

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2010, 05:33:21 PM »
Did ANGC have anybody on site filming this tourney (sort of like how NFL Films did for years)?  What I'm getting at is whether we might some day see some of the action in higher resolution.
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Kevin_Reilly

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2010, 06:23:55 PM »
Did ANGC have anybody on site filming this tourney (sort of like how NFL Films did for years)?  What I'm getting at is whether we might some day see some of the action in higher resolution.

I hope it can be done.  Earlier this year they broadcast a Shell's WWOG from 1966 at Pebble (Nicklaus vs Snead) that had been remastered in HD.  Surely a CBS broadcast from 1986 can be improved.  Though it would be OK if they blurred out the patrons' clothing a bit.

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Kevin_Reilly

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2010, 06:29:17 PM »
If you could watch one golf event ever, which would it be?

1986 Masters, without a doubt.  I'm a Tiger fan, but I would choose the 1986 tournament 99 to 1 over Tiger's 1997 win.  I might even choose 1975 over 1997.

100 mandatory viewings...assuming HD video quality and full uncut:

85 - 1986
13 - 1975
2   - 1997...and the second viewing would not be "must see TV"
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JLahrman

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2010, 06:57:06 PM »
If you could watch one golf event ever, which would it be?

1986 Masters, without a doubt.  I'm a Tiger fan, but I would choose the 1986 tournament 99 to 1 over Tiger's 1997 win.  I might even choose 1975 over 1997.

100 mandatory viewings...assuming HD video quality and full uncut:

85 - 1986
13 - 1975
2   - 1997...and the second viewing would not be "must see TV"

No love for the 1996 Masters?  I love watching the highlights from that one.  Obviously everybody remembers Norman's collapse, but Faldo puts on an absolute clinic, he does not miss a shot the entire round.  Favorite point is in the 13th fairway when Faldo is about to swing...but suddenly backs away to ahhhs from the crowd.  He switches clubs and then rifles one to the center of the green.

Tim_Cronin

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2010, 07:00:43 PM »
Maybe at that time...24 years later, no!

As of today I would say Tiger's 1997 Masters.




If you could watch one golf event ever, which would it be?

Since I haven't seen it, the 1960 U.S. Open. Hogan's last stand, Nicklaus gives notice of the future, and Palmer rallies from 7 back to win.
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Kevin_Reilly

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2010, 07:03:01 PM »
No love for train wrecks.  As great as Faldo's shot was on 13, I've seen it enough.  I actually enjoy seeing Fred Couples' "oh baby" shot to 13 a bit more.  Different dynamic, but more fun to watch (and hear...impact sound of Couples' shot was absolutely perfect).
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Mac Plumart

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2010, 07:03:56 PM »
The 77 Open Championship is pretty good t.v.
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Tim Martin

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2010, 07:11:26 PM »
For sheer drama its tough to beat the 1999 U.S. Open.

Bob_Huntley

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2010, 07:12:29 PM »
YES SIR! Some great broadcasting to match the golf. First heard the phrase sneaky long as Ben Wright described a much younger Tom Kite.Will have to watch this. Hopefully Bob Huntley will chime in-I thuoght he spent time with friend Nick Price who shot 63 on Saturday and almost had 62 but narrowly missed on18. The pinnacle of majors in my life following golf.
             Jack

Jack,

I know I mentioned this before on GCA but the Search Function doesn't seem to be functioning that well of late.

Back in 1986 I got a call from Denis Watson inviting me to that years Masters Tournament. The Rhodesian Mafia of Denis, Nick Price, David Leadbetter, Reg Bennett and myself shared a house near to the course.

The weather on Thursday was not very nice and Friday was somewhat worse. Denis missed the cut and Nick made it by a shot. On Saturday the weather had improved and the group following Nick, was Sue, his wife, Bennett, Leadbetter, me and Jim Griggs who was a friend of Joey Sindelar, the other pro in the pairing. There was one other fellow in tow who didnt say much but I heard later he had bet a bundle on Price.  

The six of us walked up to the first tee and Nick promptly bogied the hole.  He went on to shoot 33 on the front and 30 on the back. You can imagine the scene later in the round when he lipped out for a 62; there must have been over twenty thousand patrons cheering and clapping. An unbelievable round of golf.

Many, many years later I was introduced to a fellow member of MPCC for the first time on the first hole of The Dunes. We got chatting. He reminded me that he was with us that memorable Saturday in April of '86. I stuttered and said  Oh yes I remember" which I didn't, it was of course Jim Griggs.


Bob

Chip Gaskins

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2010, 07:18:47 PM »
Great story Bob!  I had no idea Price made bogey up the first that day.  Are the stories correct about him, he is the nicest guy in golf?  He certainly seems that way.  Did he really fly in the Rhodesian Airforce?

J_ Crisham

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2010, 08:03:37 PM »
Bob, 
        Thanks  for sharing the Nick Price story-certainly one of the greatest rounds in major championship golf. I can recall watching him at Butler National in the Western Open during the 1980's and his ball striking was just in a different league from his peers. When the putter was working for Nick the low numbers were most impressive. It is an interesting point to note the high caliber of players from Rhodesia during that time frame.                                                         Wish you well,  Jack

Kevin_Reilly

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2010, 11:19:32 PM »
Here is a good blog posting by Joey Sindelar about life on tour, and a few other things, including Pebble Beach and Jim Griggs.

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Of course Pebble is Pebble. It's going to be an awesome week. I've had some success here. I'd say, over the course of 25 years, it's probably been below average on my curve as it relates to success and paycheck but, as it relates to enjoyment, it's top notch. Plus, two of the most important people in my life are Jim and Gail Griggs, who sponsored me when I first tried to make it on the PGA TOUR. One of their homes is right here near the golf course between the range and the clubhouse. Mike Hulbert, Davis Love III and I have stayed with Jim and Gail for years and years. That's a huge part of the trip is spending time with friends.

Even though Jim sponsored me in the early 1980s and helped me make it on the TOUR, it wasn't just the money with Jim. It was the life lessons and after that, it was the friendship. We've had so many laughs and so many serious talks. As soon as I became a friend of Jim's, Mike Hulbert was in the mix because he and I grew up together and everyone falls in love with Michael, he's such a funny guy.

Then an incredibly sad but meaningful thing took place. Davis Love III had become friends with Michael and I when he came out on TOUR -- that's probably one the things he might regret the most, hanging with Michael and I (just kidding). Seriously, though, he had known Jim Griggs for just a year or two when Davis' dad was killed in a plane accident. And Davis, if I remember right, was in Hawaii at the time and Davis flew back to San Francisco commercial. At the time, Jim Griggs had a plane and he picked him up and flew with him all night to get back to Georgia. Obviously, they had a bonding experience on that flight. A brutally tough one but an incredibly memorable one.

He's a lifelong friend of so many TOUR guys and Jim also served as chairman of the Golf Course Properties board for years. He's one of the most giving people and a friend of golf plus he has an extraordinary wife as well. It's been a great friendship and this tournament means so much to us because of us bunking here and driving him crazy for a week. He's one of those fun guys who has a few residences and they happen to be where we play tournaments so we bother him several times a year.

Full story:  http://www.pgatour.com/2008/s/08/28/joey_sindelar_blog/index.html
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2010, 11:20:41 PM »
Great story Bob!  I had no idea Price made bogey up the first that day.  Are the stories correct about him, he is the nicest guy in golf?  He certainly seems that way.  Did he really fly in the Rhodesian Airforce?

Chip,

Yes to all of the questions.

One of natures gentlemen.

Bob

Phil McDade

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2010, 09:51:35 AM »
Great story Bob!  I had no idea Price made bogey up the first that day.  Are the stories correct about him, he is the nicest guy in golf?  He certainly seems that way.  Did he really fly in the Rhodesian Airforce?

Chip,

Yes to all of the questions.

One of natures gentlemen.

Bob

I can verify -- on my trip to Scotland, I was in St. Andrews the week before the Open in '99 at Carnoustie, and many of the competitors were staying in St. Andrews and taking the hovercraft over to Carnoustie. After walking around The Old Course, I stopped in at the Dunvegan for an ale, and who should I run into -- all by himself, just having a beer at the bar -- but Nick Price. We had a brief chat; couldn't have been nicer. I was impressed that someone still very near the top of his game, well-known to golf fans, wouldn't be hiding out in his hotel, or surrounded by handlers and agents and whatnot. Just a guy having a beer.

Mike Hendren

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2010, 10:50:28 AM »
in his New Yorker article afterwards, Herb WInd called Jack's win the most significant event in the game since Bobby Jones Grand Slam....do you agree?

I'd go with the 1960 U. S. Open:

Palmer drives the first green in the final round.
Palmer comes back from a 7 stroke deficit with a closing 65 - then the lowest final round score in U. S. Open history.
Hogan hits the first THIRTY-FOUR greens in regulation on the final day.  THIRTY FREAKING FOUR IN A ROW!
The 47 years old Hogan is tied with Palmer as he stands in the 71st fairway and the 21 years old amateur Jack Nicklaus, playing with Hogan, is only one stroke back.
Hogan in the twilight of his career +  Palmer at the apex of his career + Nicklaus in the infancy of his career.

Unbelievable.

Mike



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Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

PCCraig

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2010, 11:13:19 AM »
How great were the '83 highlights last night??? Seve holing out on 18 for par never gets old!
H.P.S.

Jason Topp

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2010, 11:38:05 AM »
Like a handful of other great sports stories does everyone remember where they were when the "bear came out of hibernation"?

I was a pledge in a college fraternity and a friend and I skipped out on some required event to watch the final round.  I assumed we would tortured for the decision but the actives were so baffled by skipping out on an event to watch golf that it was not a problem at all.

PThomas

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2010, 12:05:00 PM »
i understand that if you are a guest in one of the Augusta cottages, you can watch any of the old Masters highlights on request!

before a recent Masters i think it was ESPN that ran a bunch of them back to back to back...quite cool seeing some of the "more obscure" events that i had never seen before
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Mike Benham

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Re: 86 Masters on TV 7 EST Tonight
« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2010, 01:34:28 PM »


Did Jack win again?
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