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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2002, 10:52:15 AM »
When I say picked on, I mean everywhere.  Cleveland!  

I had chosen the course before there was a brief mention of it yesterday.  Several Ohioans(?) here have called it one of there faves in the state, especially for not being on the BIG LISTS.  It was also requested about a month ago by someone.

EDIT: This isn't the first time golfcourse.com has had information wrong.  Argh!
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Evan Fleisher

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2002, 10:52:38 AM »
George,

Close, but no cigar!  You do have the firs three letter right, however!!!

Think "cities to pick on", whose river once caught on fire...
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Born Rochester, MN. Grew up Miami, FL. Live Cleveland, OH. Handicap 13.2. Have 26 & 23 year old girls and wife of 29 years. I'm a Senior Supply Chain Business Analyst for Vitamix. Diehard walker, but tolerate cart riders! Love to travel, always have my sticks with me. Mollydooker for life!

RJ_Daley

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2002, 10:53:03 AM »
Was it once private CC, now public?  A Ross course? IN Willoughby?  The name sounds like it should be on Fiji
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George Pazin

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2002, 10:54:31 AM »
Kirkland, Kirtland, Kirtwood, something like that... I'm too lazy to walk over to my bookcase & look it up. :)
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Evan Fleisher

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2002, 10:55:33 AM »
George,

Close, but no cigar!  You do have the firs three letter right, however!!!

Think "cities to pick on", whose river once caught on fire...
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Born Rochester, MN. Grew up Miami, FL. Live Cleveland, OH. Handicap 13.2. Have 26 & 23 year old girls and wife of 29 years. I'm a Senior Supply Chain Business Analyst for Vitamix. Diehard walker, but tolerate cart riders! Love to travel, always have my sticks with me. Mollydooker for life!

Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2002, 10:56:50 AM »
George's second one is correct.  Kirtland.

Ran mentioned it yesterday as one he (or John?) plans to see and do a profile on this year.

golfcourse.com has Colt & Alison as architects.  Is it Alison only?

Even golfweb.com has C&A, then Pete Dye.  

What's the real story, Tom?
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Patrick Hitt

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2002, 11:27:19 AM »
Shivas,
The partners shared credit even if one of them was across the pond. The same holds for North Shore and Knollwood in your neck of the woods. Old Elm was one of the few courses in the midwest that Colt was actually involved in. Bob O'Link I'm not so sure about.

Dick Bator had the run of the place for a few years I believe...
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Geoffrey_Walsh

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2002, 12:31:52 PM »
Would this course in the Midwest share the same initials as another course with a 19th hole in NY?
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Geoffrey_Walsh

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2002, 12:35:58 PM »
My apologies, I did not read the comments on Page 2 (with the answer).  I thought it might be Kirtland.
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Todd_Joseph

Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2002, 12:43:07 PM »
Great choice Scott - Indeed it is Kirtland.   I"ve played this course several times and the back nine is something to behold. The tee shot from 10 does drop 100+ feet to the fairway.  There were some comments as to the under utilization of the river on the back nine.  I think this is partially due to the fact that the river tends to flood pretty badly (at least it did when I played  and caddied there in the early nineties.   I believe the 11 hole (the par three in the bottom left corner) has been heavily damaged several times when the river floods.   On a side note - the beloved Art Model used to have a house just off the back nine although I don't think he was ever admitted as a member.  
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Tom MacWood (Guest)

Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2002, 12:53:06 PM »
Patrick is correct. Colt made two trips to N.America between 1911 and 1913. CH Alison came over as a partner in Colt & Alison in around 1920 and designed quite a few courses in the US and Canada throughout the 20's - in fact he had an office in Detroit - all those courses were designed by Alison.  Milwaukee, CC of Detroit, Knollwood, North Shore, Kirtland, Burning Tree, Century or the old Sea Island - all reflect Alison's own distinctive or unique style, very different from Colts and anyone else for that matter. He liked to elevate his greens and plant very large bunkers well below the greens, creating the famous deep Alison bunkers - the deepness is more a product of the greens being raised so high. Same with his deep fairway bunkers - he liked to plant them below or against natural upslopes or build up the ground to create his own upslopes. He was also proficient in designing and building courses on marshes - Timber Point, Sea Island and Colony and around rivers Milwaukee, Kirtland and possibly Onieda.
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