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Peter Ferlicca

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The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« on: October 20, 2010, 07:11:26 PM »
With the recent thread of Diamond Creek in the fall looking magnificent, I figured I would post my pics of Aldarra in the fall.  Aldarra is IMO the best golf club in Seattle, and is a great private club experience.  Aldarra opened up in 2001, and was meant to be a players club, it is a VERY hard golf course, probably one of the toughest Fazio has designed.  Being in Seattle the air is thick and the ground in wet, so the golf courses play really long.  Aldarra from the 6600 yard tees feels as if you are taking on a US open track, it is amazing.  It seems to only be in the Pacific Northwest where golf courses play some 100-300 yards longer just because of the weather.  Despite being in the Northwest, Aldarra always has great conditions to provide for the members.  It is a walkers club too; many of the members enjoy spending their afternoon walking 18 holes.  The golf course is split into two different sections being divided by a road.  Holes 1, 2, 9-18 are all on one side, and the other side occupies holes 3-8.  The side of the golf course that has holes 3-8 is just absolute heaven; it is a lush tropical rainforest.  The greens here are all sectioned off into different levels, it makes it very difficult to two putt if in the wrong section.

Hole 1 Par 4  A hard opener that has a tight tee shot in between the bunkers, this is the first of 3 holes that bend hard to the left, they are all great holes though.



Hole 2 Par 3   A par 3 with distinct levels in the green



Hole 3 Par 5  This is the start of a great 6 hole stretch on this side of the property, it begins with a massive tee shot over a ravine, the hole then turns right and gets really thin approaching the green.  A great par 5, best one on the golf course.




Hole 4 Par 4  A very tight tee shot, every hole at Sahalee is like this just to give people a reference.  It feels very claustrophobic on the tee knowing you have to hit a dead straight driver.




Hole 5 Par 4  Another great tee shot that is through a couple tall trees over the crest of the hill and then too a raised green.



Hole 6 Par 3  A very pretty par 3 over a creek




Hole 7 Par 5  A reachable par 5, the drive is over a long environmental area, the entire hole tilts hard right to left






Hole 8 Par 4 The second of the dogleg left par 4s, this is one of the best on the course, and beautiful setting in the afternoon standing on the tee.




Hole 9 Par 3  A short par 3 that has a small green, looks very similar to a par 3 at Flint Hills National.





Hole 10 Par 4    A short par 4 that bends up to the right, the second shot is uphill to a wild green split into levels.



Hole 11 Par 5  This is the start of back to back par 5s, one goes up the hill, the other goes back down.  Sort of a weak point in the round, but both holes provides good excitement and tough pars.  Hole 11 is uphill being much tougher than 12 which is downhill.




Hole 12 Par 5   A downhill par 5 that has a view for hundreds of miles on a clear day.




Hole 13 Par 3  A great downhill par 3 that has redan like characteristics, it is a long shot that is best played hitting a shot short right of the green letting it release on.



Hole 14 Par 4  This is last of the doglegs left par 4s.  This is my favorite of them, a great tee shot which is even better from the back tee, a beautiful approach into the green. 



Hole 15 Par 3  This is the start of the “Gauntlet” the VERY HARD finish at Aldarra.  .  This is a very difficult par 3 that is over 220 yards to a green perched on a hill that is only 15 yards deep.  Brock MacKenzie finished with 4 straight birdies for a course record of 62, which is ridiculous




Hole 16 Par 4  This is a long par 4 that has a long carry over the environmental area, a pretty setting in a open meadow.




Hole 17 Par 4  This is the eye sore of the golf course, this hole Fazio was thinking about designing a links course, and put grass faced sod bunkers.  The green is probably 60 yards wide too.




Hole 18 Par 4 A great finishing hole that is also tough, a thin fairway too hit, and then you have to hit over a ravine to a small green.






This a great golf course and one of Fazio’s best that doesn’t get enough recognition  IMO, the top 4 in Washington are Aldarra, Tumble Creek, Chambers Bay, and Wine Valley.  The top 2 Aldarra and Tumble Creek is personal preference.  If you would like to see Tumble Creek pictures in the fall, I will post them on request.

Garland Bayley

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2010, 07:25:04 PM »
Did I get that right? Your ranking in Washington is
1) Aldarra
2) Tumble Creek
3) Chambers Bay
4) Wine Valley

?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Sean Leary

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2010, 07:38:51 PM »
I think CB is better than Aldarra. A good bit better. Aldarra and TC are close with Aldarra getting the edge. WV I haven't played.
 

Peter Ferlicca

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2010, 07:42:21 PM »
Garland,


Well I had Aldarra first at the beginning of the season, but Tumble won me over at the end of the season.  So the list goes

1.  Tumble Creek
2.  Aldarra, personal preference over the two, for all I care they are tied.
3.  Chambers Bay
4.  Wine Valley, I had the most fun out of any of the courses on Wine Valley though.

Now that I am thinking about it, those all could be tied for #1.  They are all very good golf courses, that are great in their own way.

Garland Bayley

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2010, 07:59:51 PM »
Do you have pictures of Wine Valley? Matt Ward claims to have pictures for posting, but he has never posted them. I guess that is my fault for keeping him busy posting on Black Mesa threads.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Sean Leary

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2010, 10:11:58 PM »
Its amazing how tight the course looks in pictures. The fairways are enormous, and even 4 isn't as tight as it looks....

Pete, I'd like to see the TC pics in a thread, as it is one of Doak's least discussed efforts and it is quite good.

Derek Dirksen

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 02:59:09 AM »
Thanks for posting the great pics.  I really like the look of the bunkers. 

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 05:57:51 AM »
The place looks flawless.
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Brian Potash

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 11:09:11 AM »
If it is possible to feel claustrophobic just looking at a picture, the 4th tee shot has just done it to me.

Nice pictures.

Brian

Richard Choi

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2010, 11:36:08 AM »
The course is much more open than it looks, but Leary lies - #4 is as tight as it looks... god I hate that ball eating tree... :)

In my opinion, it is the best course in the state outside of Chambers Bay (though I have not played Tumble Creek yet). It is clearly superior to Sahalee. The only negative for me are three very similar right to left dogleg holes (#1, 8, 14) and uninspiring par 5's.

A definite must play if you are in the area.

Terry Lavin

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2010, 12:02:22 PM »
Very intriguing.  It doesn't look like the sort of cookie-cutter Fazio residential/casino project that gets the bashers drooling.
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Sean Leary

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2010, 01:40:04 PM »
Now that I have some time I can spend a little time giving my thoughts on this.

As many know, I am a member here and like it a great deal. I have hosted a number of GCA'ers and will happily host anybody (except Choi) if they are in the area and I can make it work. It is a very nice place, in a beautiful spot, and a very good course. It's solid. There are no really significant weaknesses, but there are no really GREAT holes either. It is a very difficult course. The fairways and greens are very large, but there is trouble on basically every hole.  You can't play your foul balls, so to speak, and that is my main issue with the course.The greens are very severe, and hitting the wrong section, often means a 3 putt. It caters to better players, as about a quarter of the membership is sub 5 index. But even the better players have a tough time getting around without a double bogey. GD raters love it, GW not so much.

The conditions of the course are exceptional (GCAer Sean Reehoorn is a Super)  The fairways were sandcapped and it is the driest course around in the winter other than CB. Fairways and greens were bent, but now only the greens are, as we lost the battle with poa annua in the fairways. The atmosphere is VERY laid back. No tee times, no spousal membership privileges and I think we get around 14000 rounds a year. The site of the property is the old Boeing family farm (called Aldarra Farm).

Standout holes on the front include 3 which is an excellent 3 shot par 5, 8 a fun driving hole with a great green, 9 a shortish par 3 with a couple of tough hole locations. On the back, 13 is a good downhill par 3 with a great meadow vista behind it, 14 a fun medium par 4 with a decision off the tee how much you want to bit off. The last 4 holes are the toughest finish in the state. Fazio spent more time here than in many of his designs, and it shows. From the tips, (which no one plays) it is as hard as any course I have ever played. MacKenzie's  (former Walker Cupper) 61 will never, ever be touched.

Some weaknesses. No drivable or even short par 4. Due to the property, the routing a bit disjointed. Walk from 2-3 and 8-9 is significant,as well as 18  to the clubhouse. Back to back par 5's up and down a hill. Green complexes on 6 and 9 are a bit too similar. 17 green just doesn't fit. Plus the "Member's Club" name is awful ;). But nothing close to a bad hole. I have it between a Doak 6 and 7 depending on the day. On a clear dry sunny day, it is really a special place. Incredible views, ball bouncing, it can be just a great place to play.

Overall , it is a really great place to be a member.  It is 30 min from downtown Seattle, but you feel like you are in the country, hours away.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2010, 02:54:54 PM by Sean Leary »

Will MacEwen

Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2010, 01:53:42 PM »
Sean - how does it hold up through the winter?  Do you play it year round?

The loss of carry and roll in the PNW winter really makes a seasonal difference at my course.

Matthew Sander

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2010, 01:57:39 PM »
Sean,

Here is a link to a previous Tumble Creek thread with some quality pics.

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,44229.0/

Sean Leary

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2010, 01:59:53 PM »
Sean - how does it hold up through the winter?  Do you play it year round?

The loss of carry and roll in the PNW winter really makes a seasonal difference at my course.

Will,

It is fairly dry in the winter, especially the fairways. Used to be even drier a few years back with the new sand capping.

We play all year round, in fact I probably play more in the winter as there isn't as much to do.

John Kirk

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2010, 02:14:19 PM »
Nice addition to the thread, Sean.  Sean was nice enough to take me a few years back (with Kang and Beaty, remember?).  We played it all the way back.  Very difficult.  Is the slope rating still 144 (!) from the white tees?

I liked back-to-back par 5 holes 11 and 12 more than most people do.  But if you had to walk from 10 to 11, and then again from 12 to 13, it would significantly increase the difficulty of the overall walk.

Good looking place; pretty fun to play, nice countryside too.

Sean Leary

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2010, 02:42:49 PM »
Nice addition to the thread, Sean.  Sean was nice enough to take me a few years back (with Kang and Beaty, remember?).  We played it all the way back.  Very difficult.  Is the slope rating still 144 (!) from the white tees?

I liked back-to-back par 5 holes 11 and 12 more than most people do.  But if you had to walk from 10 to 11, and then again from 12 to 13, it would significantly increase the difficulty of the overall walk.

Good looking place; pretty fun to play, nice countryside too.

I do remember. Playing it back was a mistake. I used to think it was better back there because it was harder and made a couple of holes "better" individually (5 , 14, and 16 ) But it is simply too hard back there. Yes, the 3rd set of tees are 144 slope. Blues are 147, and Tips 148.

You would like it more from the normal tees. I played Sagebrush at 7500 yards a couple of weeks ago, then Aldarra at 6650 the next day. Aldarra played longer on a cool overcast day with the course a bit damp from rain a few days earlier.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2010, 03:41:51 PM by Sean Leary »

jim_lewis

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2010, 02:48:10 PM »
I have never played Chambers Bay or Seattle Golf Club, but I would rank Alderra above Tumble Creek (which I like), Sahalee (take it or leave it) or Snoqualmie Ridge (no thanks). I played it only once just a year or so after it opened. Members I met were very disappointed that it had finished 2nd in GD's Best New Private to Kinlock. Pretty good company!
"Crusty"  Jim
Freelance Curmudgeon

Bob Jenkins

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2010, 02:50:01 PM »
I am one of those GCAers who have been fortunate to be able to experience Aldarra courtesy of Sean. Actually my first round of golf with any member of this board was in 2006 when Sean invited me to play Aldarra one Sunday afternoon along with him and a young man named Jordan Wall !

Aldarra does have a great atmosphere and the course is definitely worth a visit if you are in the area and can put up with Sean. I cannot agree with Richard that #1, #8 and #14 are very similar left to right doglegs. They are left to right doglegs but that is where the similarity ends. #1 has a fairly severe dogleg and water close to the green but has a great green complex and is great fun when the pin is in the lower front left as the green gathers towards that location. #8 is a great downhill par four that turns gently downhill and is quite wide open, save for the large cedar on the left edge of the fairway. #14 is quite different again, downhill but not as much drop as on #8. All three of them have completely different approaches.

I know Sean is partial but I would agree with his assessment of a Doak 6 or 7. The weaknesses are not glaring at all.

Bob J

JNC Lyon

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2010, 04:49:26 PM »
I had the most fun out of any of the courses on Wine Valley though..

Interesting that you had the most fun at Wine Valley, yet it falls at the bottom of your list.  I think I'd have it at the top of my list if I'd had the most fun playing it.
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Jordan Caron

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2010, 06:06:42 PM »
Thanks for posting pictures!  I had a chance to play there 2 years ago after hearing some great things from a fellow co-worker at Victoria Golf Club.  Overall I loved the course and that finishing stretch is as tough as I have played.  I agree with 17 being and eye sore.  Just what was he thinking? 

That same trip I played Tumble Creek, Chambers Bay and Seattle.  After seeing Chambers Bay play like a links course at the Us AM, I want to play it again before I rate it.  Out of those courses I would rank them as follows.

1-Aldarra
2-Tumble Creek
3-Seattle

Sean Leary

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2010, 06:42:38 PM »
Thanks for posting pictures!  I had a chance to play there 2 years ago after hearing some great things from a fellow co-worker at Victoria Golf Club.  Overall I loved the course and that finishing stretch is as tough as I have played.  I agree with 17 being and eye sore.  Just what was he thinking? 

That same trip I played Tumble Creek, Chambers Bay and Seattle.  After seeing Chambers Bay play like a links course at the Us AM, I want to play it again before I rate it.  Out of those courses I would rank them as follows.

1-Aldarra
2-Tumble Creek
3-Seattle


Jordan, you need to play Chambers now that the greens are better. It is so much better now...

Daryl David

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2010, 09:48:33 PM »
I love the course, setting and vibe.  That said, Aldarra is tough.  It is especially tough if you pick the wrong tees.  I had a guest out from back east a few years ago and he was a bit miffed when I said we would play the combo tees which work out around 6400 I would guess.  At the end of the round he exclaimed "that was the longest 6400 yards I have ever played!  Without the roll that we only get for a few weeks in August, you need to move up so you have decent length shots into the greens.  As Sean pointed out, there are just too many 3 putts waiting for the player that puts the ball on the wrong part of the green.  There are also several ways to short side yourself where getting up and down is next to impossible.  Still a great track and really the best private in Seattle.

As for Tumble, it is a different kettle of fish.  Overall more fun than Aldarra with much more variety of shots to be played.  Not easy, just more of a kick in the butt to play.  This summer we had some seriously good roll to the fairways (thanks Peter) which made the Doak green complexes work the way I assume he envisioned.  Lots of places to use the ground game, something you really can't do at Aldarra.  Love both courses, but for different reasons.


Jordan Caron

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2010, 11:27:37 PM »
Thanks for posting pictures!  I had a chance to play there 2 years ago after hearing some great things from a fellow co-worker at Victoria Golf Club.  Overall I loved the course and that finishing stretch is as tough as I have played.  I agree with 17 being and eye sore.  Just what was he thinking? 

That same trip I played Tumble Creek, Chambers Bay and Seattle.  After seeing Chambers Bay play like a links course at the Us AM, I want to play it again before I rate it.  Out of those courses I would rank them as follows.

1-Aldarra
2-Tumble Creek
3-Seattle


Jordan, you need to play Chambers now that the greens are better. It is so much better now...

Hey Sean, 

I said I wouldn't rate it before playing it again and there I go rating it!

It's a links course and is supposed to play hard and fast but my two rounds were played on softer, slower conditions in the spring.  The greens were punched in April which sucked but from I saw of the AM coverage, they looked MUCH better.  The ball just seemed to roll everywhere which would make the course play so much tougher because there is no rough to stop the ball.  The eastern side of the property is just too undulated making it difficult to create a good golf hole. 

Sean Leary

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Re: The Members Club at Aldarra(Fazio) Pics, Fall City WA
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2010, 12:52:43 PM »
Thanks for posting pictures!  I had a chance to play there 2 years ago after hearing some great things from a fellow co-worker at Victoria Golf Club.  Overall I loved the course and that finishing stretch is as tough as I have played.  I agree with 17 being and eye sore.  Just what was he thinking? 

That same trip I played Tumble Creek, Chambers Bay and Seattle.  After seeing Chambers Bay play like a links course at the Us AM, I want to play it again before I rate it.  Out of those courses I would rank them as follows.

1-Aldarra
2-Tumble Creek
3-Seattle


Jordan, you need to play Chambers now that the greens are better. It is so much better now...

Hey Sean, 

I said I wouldn't rate it before playing it again and there I go rating it!

It's a links course and is supposed to play hard and fast but my two rounds were played on softer, slower conditions in the spring.  The greens were punched in April which sucked but from I saw of the AM coverage, they looked MUCH better.  The ball just seemed to roll everywhere which would make the course play so much tougher because there is no rough to stop the ball.  The eastern side of the property is just too undulated making it difficult to create a good golf hole. 

Agreed on all counts....Its difficult to properly rate a course when the greens are 5 and bumpy. Doable, but hard.