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Philippe Binette

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Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ??? New
« on: October 01, 2010, 08:33:59 AM »
standard course, ultra-soft conditions and terrible weather...

the costa del sol never sounded so good right now... if they finish the cup by monday it will be good
« Last Edit: October 01, 2010, 06:14:51 PM by Philippe Binette »

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2010, 08:35:20 AM »
Robin Hiseman will be hoping that you are on to something, Phillippe...

Philippe Binette

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2010, 08:39:29 AM »
I know it's all a money issue, but unless they are playing a traditional or a links course, there's no point holding the cup in the uk to play that time of course and having soft slow conditions to make sure the game is boring...

so just go where the sun is in october

Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2010, 08:56:02 AM »
Weather is a problem for golf tournaments period..... its spin the wheel. Whenit went to Spain the weather was terrible and when it rains there beieve me it rains. Augusta....how many times do we tune on and the course is flooded and play suspended.

If we are going to have a better chance of good weather in the UK then August is better. October was never a great idea, its very cold for this time of year as well. CM is not really the place to be in this, I gave my Sunday ticket away.
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Philippe Binette

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2010, 09:09:08 AM »
I don't mind going to the UK and face the conditions...but play a links or a classic heathland, but to go the UK and play and american-looking course ???

If you play that type of course, then put the odds on your side, go in spain or southern italy... (I know, nobody thinks that way when organizing the event...) The ryder cup is a great chance to play shorter courses that, according to some, can't hold championship because of their lack of length. it's match play, who cares about par. scores or anything

No, they keep playing 7300 yards mass produced courses


Mark Pearce

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2010, 09:27:58 AM »
The problem is the time of year.  Let's not forget that this is the first time the RC has been played in October and that's down to the PGA Tour and its absurd FedEx Cup.
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2010, 09:43:51 AM »
The problem is the time of year.  Let's not forget that this is the first time the RC has been played in October and that's down to the PGA Tour and its absurd FedEx Cup.
and had this been played two weeks ago it was brilliant sunshine
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Jud_T

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2010, 09:44:34 AM »
You wouldn't have standing water like that on a proper links and play might not have to be called.
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Phil_the_Author

Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2010, 09:48:29 AM »
All those at Bethpage have a smile on their face, or they would if the Joe Namath charity event didn't get pretty much rained out as well!

Phil Benedict

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 09:52:40 AM »
The last time they had a suspension was at Valderama.

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2010, 09:59:59 AM »
The course is about how much the venue is prepared to pay not about the quality of the venue hence The Belfry, K Club, Wales and the Gleneagles course.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2010, 10:36:45 AM »
Or why don't they just hold it in July when all the players are already in Europe?

Phil McDade

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2010, 10:39:30 AM »
Some background on the course:

http://www.golfcoursearchitecture.net/Article/Another-Ryder-Cup-concession/1917/Default.aspx

This (from Mike's linked article) certainly isn't encouraging:

Holes six-thirteen and fifteen on the Twenty Ten are the holes retained from the former course. Six of the new holes – one-five, plus fourteen –were built in the floodplain.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2010, 10:39:40 AM »
It is at least as much about the logistics and economics of the event as it is about the best golf course venue.  It is about the impact of the event on the local region.  As they pointed out on ESPN, it was awarded to Wales in 2001, before there was a Fed Ex cup and would have been played a month earlier under the previous timing.  Fed Ex and all the bazillions of $$$ to the tour, bumped it back to Oct.  Appaently, while no weather is assured anytime, the likelihood is better for early Sept than Oct, in that part of the UK.  Every year the hype gets more pronounced, and the need for crowd accomodations, and logistics gets greater.  

I'm surprised they played as much as they did this morn.  With all the crowds tromping around and the carts everywhere, the place is going to be a muck hole and rutty track, it seems to me.  They should have washed out the whole day and if it inconveniences the players and fans to go until Mon or even Tues, so be it.  Personally, I'd rather see it played on a drier course that allows some semblence of actual good golf shots.  

I wonder what I'd say if I had paid all the freight to actually travel over there from the states, and then have them call it off as long as until Tues, to finish.  As it is, I personally woudn't have stayed on the course today if I were a fan, I'd have looked for a pub and TV if they restart.  Nothing more icky than tromping around a mud wallow, and you are not even playing, and nothing much to see from crappy viewing conditions.
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Brent Hutto

Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2010, 10:40:07 AM »
Or why don't they just hold it in July when all the players are already in Europe?

Then they could even give FedEx Cup points for winning points in the Ryder Cup!

Melvyn Morrow


Gary Slatter

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Re: Why don't they just hold the ryder cup in spain ???
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2010, 04:28:20 PM »
why not in Orlando, many on both teams live there

Philippe:  played Banff yesterday, 4 players, 3.5 hours  (15 minute delay due to Elk rutting on Cauldron tee deck)
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