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Matt_Ward

Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« on: September 20, 2010, 06:51:49 PM »
Interesting to see The Bridge will be used for 18-hole of the planned 36-hole qualified being layed at Atlantic.

Curious to find out the comments of those who play there.

Jeff Fortson

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2010, 08:18:26 PM »
If you want to know how it plays for the tournament I'd be happy to share.  Same goes for Atlantic as well.


Jeff
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Matt Elliott

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2010, 09:52:10 PM »
I'll also be happy to toss in my two cents once I get a chance to check them out.

Matt_Ward

Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2010, 10:30:59 AM »
Jeff:

Look forward to it .

Just walking The Bridge is no small feat for many.

Jeff Fortson

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2010, 06:51:43 PM »
This won't be a long message as I'm doing it from my blackberry.

Played Atlantic today in practice round. Course is much different from the last time I played in '03. Lots of bunkers moved and lots of new ones. I see the changes as greatly improving the golf course. The usga has it firm and pretty fast. Especially the greens. I have to take back much of my assessment from the past. Atlantic is a very good golf course.

I will expound when I have more free time and at an actual computer.

Jeff
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Sean Leary

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2010, 07:21:25 PM »
Good luck guys. I think Jim Sullivan qualified as well.....

Sean Leary

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2010, 02:27:01 PM »
Jeff has a chance at making match play with a good round today......

jeffwarne

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2010, 09:22:48 AM »
The courses provided nearly identical scoring averages with Atlantic averaging 79.670 and The Bridge averaging 79.697 over two days of stroke play.
The wind blew out of the northeast on Thursday's practice round and the prevailing summer( southwest 10-15) on Friday's practice.
Saturday morning the wind was howling steady out of the southwest at 25mph at 5:30 am when I arrived at work and blew that hard until around 11-12 then dropped off to a steady 15-20 mph the rest of the afternoon.
Sunday was the exact opposite wind blowing a steady northeast and cooler at about 10-20 in the morning and increasing to about 15-25 in the afternoon.

those who played early/late got the worst wind draw, but I have not done any scoring research to support that.

It is conceiveable that many played their tournament round in opposite winds than their practice.
 Anyone who practiced Friday at the course they were playing Saturday's first round enjoyed the advantage of the same wind. (presumably having practiced Thursday at the course they ended up playing Sunday in the stroke play)

Interestingly, Atlantic played tougher in Saturday's southwest wind, and The Bridge played tougher(almost 2 shots) in the northeast wind (perhaps because The Bridge is nearest the water on the northeast side)
Also, the USGA did not allow the greens at The Bridge to be rolled on Saturday(which also could've contributed to Saturday's better scoring) due to fear of things getting out of control in the wind.
Interestingly, the greens appeared to be at their fastest(or more Bridge normal) on Monday's playoff played in heavy mist after overnight rain.

Anecdotally, players were very complimentary of both courses.
I must say I was a bit surprised with the length and difficulty of the set-up, although some tees were moved up (due to strong winds) and several pin placements were softened from the original set-up.

Over the past 2 years, as we were working on set-up with the USGA, I was often asked about wind direction in September.
My answer "that it could come from anywhere" ended up being true all four days of stroke play and practice, and it continues to be strong today for the second round of match play (although I'm not yet sure of direction)

Superintendants Gregg Stanley at The Bridge and Bob Ranum at Atlantic had both courses in excellent condition
« Last Edit: September 28, 2010, 09:41:50 AM by jeffwarne »
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Matt_Ward

Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2010, 12:17:08 PM »
Jeff:

Thanks ...

What holes at both courses had tee boxes moved up - and where were the pins placed on those holes too ?

You also mentioned The Bridge was equally complimented -- was the walk for The Bridge a sore point with anyone ?

jeffwarne

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier ! New
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2010, 01:58:35 PM »
Matt,

First of all,as you know, most people aren't going to tell me  if they didn't like the course-but I flew under the radar enough this week to hear some pretty good positive anecdotal evidence.

The tees were moved up on three(only 20 yards)as it was into a 25-30 hr wind Sat am- as I noted, the wind reversed the next day so that hole became a driver wedge on Sunday. (but one became a driver wood etc.)
same with 15.
Interestingly, the two downwind par 5's (7 and 18) each played nearly a full shot harder when the wind shifted

The walk at The Bridge is athletic and a few did comment as it was humid and windy Friday and saturday, but the walk has been softened considerably by building a lower tee on 16 near 15 green(now 226 and UPHILL)) and 6 (additionally we have built and will continue to build many new members tees in the transition areas between tee an green, softening the obligatory burden of walking up to play down).
Most new tees being built are to SHORTEN and soften the walk, not lengthen the hole.

I just returned from Atlantic-the course layout looks the best it's ever looked with the demolition of MANY mounds.(paving the way for quite a few well thought out runoff and chipping areas.
 Additionally, many of the bunkers have been relocated creating more strategic options, and their new styling is definitely along the lines of a Friar's Head/Bill Coore look.
Certainly a stark contrast from the former round, bluegrass surrounded bunkers there before.
The course has improved considerably in my opinion.

Matt- I didn't  say the courses were equally complimented(I  don't have enough evidence for that)-I said I heard multiple compliments on both courses.(and a lot of nice comments about the vibe at The Bridge)
The weather conditions were rough and I'm sure more than a few were happy to get out of town.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2010, 11:29:36 AM by jeffwarne »
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Matt Elliott

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2010, 03:03:16 PM »
 I for one enjoyed both courses. Although the walk at the Bridge was definitely a bit rough, it was completely manageable, especially Sunday morning when it was cooler and less humid. From the people I talked to and my own experience, they caddies had the rougher time at the Bridge. We had one caddy in our group that I wasn't sure he was going to make that walk all the way up the hill on 18.

It was amazing to hear stories about how different the two golf courses played between Saturday and Sunday.  I played Atlantic on Saturday afternoon and the Bridge Sunday morning. Saturday night I heard stories about people hitting flip wedges into one, long irons into three and mid irons into the 18th at the Bridge. On Sunday I hit full six iron into one. I had only 70 yards into three, I think all three of us in my group had under 110 to the pin. On 18 I hit driver and three wood as hard I could to 60 short of 18 (the other two players in my group had at least 120 in after hitting driver three wood.) There were equally different experiences over at Atlantic between the two days. I think Jeff Fortson had the opposite draw that I did so he might be able to shed some more light on how the Bridge and Atlantic played with the opposite wind.

Also, the greens at Atlantic were rock hard on Saturday. We had trouble holding shots into the green and front pins were extremely hard to get anywhere near the hole. Even shots that would land short of the green would often chase past the middle. The greens were much more receptive on at the Bridge on SundayThat being said, both golf courses were in unbelievable shape.

For me the wind blew the hardest for the first ten holes or so at Atlantic on Saturday afternoon. I started on ten and there were a few holes where the wind was blowing so hard the balls were oscillating on the green. 

From what I remember, and one of the Jeffs might be able to correct me, the only hole at the Bridge moved up from the practice round was three, the pin was front left for the stroke play.  At Atlantic four tee was also pushed up and the pin was middle left.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2010, 04:28:49 PM »
JeffWarne,

I'd agree, Atlantic has evolved into an exceptional golf course.

Matt_Ward

Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2010, 07:03:00 PM »
Jeff:

Thanks for the details.

Fair to say -- The Bridge is the harder of the two -- but Atlantic may offer the better overall design given the changes made most recently ?

Glad to know #3 was moved up on first day -- played into a fierce SW wind the length of the hole can really push players to the max.

Matt E:

Thanks for the report on club usage and how the shifting winds dictated such otucomes.

Jeff Fortson

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2010, 11:58:14 AM »
First, I would like to thank Jeff Warne and the entire staff at The Bridge for being such great hosts.  Same goes for Rick Hartmann and the staff at Atlantic.  Everything was first class, from the food, to the service, to the course conditions.  A+ to both facilities.  Also, it was nice to meet you Matt.  Too bad we met at the BBQ after both missing match play.  Oh well, there is always next year!

As for the golf courses...

My first round was played at The Bridge at 7:50am Saturday morning off of #10.  Maybe my nerves made it seem worse but it felt like a 25mph wind in my face for my first tee shot.  Jeff Warne might be able to either confirm that or give a better estimate as to how hard it was blowing.  Let's put it this way, I drove the ball about a foot into the right rough, hit 5-iron out and still had 127 yards to the hole.  For what is normally a reasonably reachable par-5 with no wind, it played difficult.  Especially having to hit your third shot straight uphill into the wind.  Needless to say, the wind never let up the entire round.  And when I say never, I mean NEVER.  

As for my assessment of The Bridge... The last time I had played it before the championship was in 2003.  LOTS of tree removal.  I really thought the tree removal opened the course up visually which benefited the amazing views on the property.  Plus, I think it allows the wind to wreak more havoc on the player.  Thumbs up on the tree removal.  The new tees built on #6 on #16 made the walk doable.  If I would have had to walk up to the 16th tee I would have needed an ambulance.  It created a much more straight on shot to the green and put the bunker(s) guarding it off to the right which allowed the player to hit a tee shot directly at the hole without having to carry it.  Considering it now plays uphill from the new tee box, the tee placement made sense.  The only downside is that it took the giant slope that is left of the green and made it harder to use for your benefit, especially with the back hole location.  Had the hole location been middle or up front the shaved slope would have been much more usable for the player.

The Bridge is truly a "manly" golf course.  Lots of long par 4's.  #3 played incredibly long for my group, even with the tee moved up a bit, as it was dead into the wind.  On the flip side #1 played short.  I hit sand Wedge into it.  I think Matt mentioned  he had the opposite wind and those two holes kind of canceled each other out as the wind made one hole long and the other short depending on which way the wind blew.  #6 played incredibly long.  I hit Driver, 3-wood into it and made my best birdie of the weekend there.  One knock I had in the past on The Bridge that I still have is that there are no "true" short par 4s.  There was no real let up in the length of the par 4's except for maybe #17 and #8 and those I hit 8 iron and 5 iron into.  The only wedges I hit into a par-4 green were on #1 and #4.  As Jeff Warne mentioned, the tee on #15 was also moved up as it played directly into the wind Saturday.

The bunkers look very much in the mold of what Rees Jones would design and the course itself is a very difficult test of golf.  I really like the course but I don't know how I would feel if I had to play it everyday.  I love playing competitive golf on it as it will truly separate who is striking the ball well, but it could get tiresome for all levels of golfers as if you are off your game it will expose any weakness you may have that day.  With that said, The Bridge is a good course, just very, very difficult.  

By the way, the only people really complaining about the walk were the caddies.  Fortunately, my 64 year old father was so high on adrenaline that he didn't feel the fatigue until the round was almost over.  The walk was tough, but I agree with Matt, it was manageable, especially with the new tees on #6 and #16.

As for Atlantic... the changes made (which would be interesting to know who did them as there were rumors flying around that Rees didn't make them, but I can't verify that for certain) were excellent.  Atlantic moved a lot of bunkers and even added some into more centerline locations adding much strategy.  The bunker renovation gave Atlantic a much more "soup du jour" look, ala Coore/Doak-ish, and gave the course a much more natural feel.  Atlantic has matured quite well.  It mixed up the length of the par 3's, 4's and 5's.  There were drivable par 4's and reachable par 5's.  They have a 125 yard par 3 (#11) that is very scary considering the pin placement and firmness of the greens.  They also had long, difficult 4's and 5's.  It was just a very good mix of lengths to test all aspects of one's game.  #10 played incredibly hard for my group.  Tough driving hole and @ 450 yards long straight into the wind.  #16 was similarly difficult but a little more forgiving of an off-line shot.  I shot a higher score at Atlantic but that had more to do with missing short putts than anything else. Overall, the course played about equally difficult to The Bridge, which I believe the stats show, as the scoring average for both courses were virtually identical.  

Atlantic was a much easier walk and had the better mix of holes for match play so I think the USGA picked right in choosing Atlantic as the "home" course.  If the tournament were all stroke play I think it would be a toss up as to which would identify the better player.  My vote would still be with Atlantic as I saw the mix of length of holes, the new and changed bunkering, and the easier walk as taking it a small step ahead of The Bridge for usability in a championship of this caliber.  I certainly don't mean that as a knock against The Bridge as both are very fine golf courses.

It will be interesting to see how both continue to evolve over the years.  I truly enjoyed the experience and both courses are fantastic.  I can't say enough about how well maintained both courses are.  They were in phenomenal condition and the USGA certainly knows how to run a tournament. I was very impressed with the whole experience and look forward to qualifying for more.

As for my playing...  I hit the driver great and pitched and chipped awesome.  Unfortunately, I hit my irons worse than I have in years and putted HORRIFICALLY.  I had 68 putts for 36 holes with 6 3-putts.  Considering I missed match play by 3 I can definitely blame my putting.  I grinded it out until the end and hit some unbelievable short game shots on the last 5 holes trying to keep my hopes alive.  This was the first real tournament I have played in in over 3 years minus the qualifier and trying to qualify for the Am at Hacienda in July.  Overall, I am disappointed but optimistic about my future in Amateur golf.  

If there are any questions I would be happy to answer any of them to the best of my ability.


Jeff
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jeffwarne

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier ! New
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2010, 12:43:34 PM »
Thanks Jeff F.
great commentary-great to meet you again.
That wind was blowing at least 25 mph when you teed off on 10 (I actually put out a third forecaddy in the driving area)

I would note that the 2 "shorter" par 4's at Atlantic are simply playing the most forward tees.(there still are tees at longer lengths)
I do a similar set-up for our member guest (4,12, 17 are cool holes played forward)
had the match play been at The Bridge certainly shorter tees could've been on those holes utilized for similar effect.


also, I'm not sure if you saw it but there's a new walking tee just behind #5 green for #6 that eliminates another 150 yard walk each way and plays an interesting 420 yards from a very different angle

Rees was not pleased with the USGA's choice to play the lower tee on 16 that we built but it's a tough walk late in the round(although the view is world class and better than ever up there)
« Last Edit: October 02, 2010, 11:38:14 PM by jeffwarne »
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Jeff Fortson

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2010, 04:44:53 PM »
Thanks Jeff F.
great commentary-great to meet you again.
That wind was blowing at least 25 mph when you teed off on 10 (I actually put out a third forecaddy in the driving area)

I would note that the 2 "shorter" par 4's at Atlantic are simply playing the most forward tees.(there still are tees at longer lengths)
I do a similar set-up for our member guest (4,12, 17 are cool holes played forward)
had the match play been at The Bridge certainly shorter tees could've been on those holes utilized for similar effect.

We have plans to build new tees on #8 near 7 green to shorten the walk up and back another 100 yards(each way) and that will also result in a strategic drive over bunkers to get near the green

also, I'm not sure if you saw it but there's a new walking tee just behind #5 green for #6 that eliminates another 150 yard walk each way and plays an interesting 420 yards from a very different angle

Rees was not pleased with the USGA's choice to play the lower tee on 16 that we built but it's just a brutal walk late in the round(although the veiw is better than ever up there)


Thanks for making me feel sane about the wind.  I had never played on a USGA prepared golf course and to do it under such intense wind conditions really exposed weak shots.  I fell victim to intimidation on so many levels.  The firmness of the greens, mixed with the very hard winds, the tightness of the grass around the greens, the depth of the rough (@ 3 inches in average), the high fescue waiting for any errant shot no more than 30 to 40 yards off the middle of the fairway, etc., etc. truly exposed how poorly I was swinging my irons.  I short sided myself WAY too much and my results showed that.  I played with Kevin Marsh both days of stroke play (he won the Mid-Am in 2005) and when we got to #2 tee at The Bridge (our 11th hole of the day) he was -4 under.  What a display of course management and control of one's golf ball.  I was very impressed with his round at The Bridge and consider it one of the finest rounds I have ever seen in person.

As for the lack of short par-4's, you are totally correct that holes 4, 8 and 17 could have used up tees to produce the same effect.  However, the only hole I could see truly working as a "drivable" par 4 with risk/reward was #4.  With the extremely deep bunker greenside left and the huge, shaved slope right of the green caroming balls back to the putting surface I think it would have made for a fantastic short 4 par.  8 and 17 are pretty straight forward uphill holes that didn't ooze the character that 4 would have by shortening it.

I don't know what the politics are like involved with making changes to teeing areas and bunkers but I think whatever you are doing is definitely headed in the right direction.  I love the tee up on #16 as much as the next guy, if I have a cart.  That walk is off the charts uphill.  I can't even properly describe how uphill it is.  It's WAY worse than the walk from 8 green to 9 tee at Cruden Bay and that is the limit to what I think is acceptable in terms of forced marches from green to tee.  I know changes have been made at Atlantic and I'm still unclear as to whether Rees was involved with them, but I certainly like them.  I see the changes made at The Bridge that I have outlined above as getting a big thumbs up from me.  I hope future changes continue to develop the course and property towards its own perfection.  The views at The Bridge are some of the best, if no THE best, on the South Fork.  Not to mention, you have a one of a kind clubhouse and pro shop that do a great job of reflecting the clubs theme and it a neat antithesis to Atlantic's attempt at a more classic vibe.  I love that sign that reads "THERE WILL BE NO MIRACLES HERE" as you arrive in the parking lot.  That couldn't be a truer statement if you're looking to take down the golf course with your sticks.  The Bridge will humble the biggest of egos.  Plus, your practice facility is much more user friendly than Atlantic's.  I wish I had spent more time hitting balls at The Bridge.


Jeff F.





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jeffwarne

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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2010, 08:20:45 PM »
Thanks Jeff F.
great commentary-great to meet you again.
That wind was blowing at least 25 mph when you teed off on 10 (I actually put out a third forecaddy in the driving area)

I would note that the 2 "shorter" par 4's at Atlantic are simply playing the most forward tees.(there still are tees at longer lengths)
I do a similar set-up for our member guest (4,12, 17 are cool holes played forward)
had the match play been at The Bridge certainly shorter tees could've been on those holes utilized for similar effect.


also, I'm not sure if you saw it but there's a new walking tee just behind #5 green for #6 that eliminates another 150 yard walk each way and plays an interesting 420 yards from a very different angle

Rees was not pleased with the USGA's choice to play the lower tee on 16 that we built but it's just a brutal walk late in the round(although the veiw is better than ever up there)


Thanks for making me feel sane about the wind.  I had never played on a USGA prepared golf course and to do it under such intense wind conditions really exposed weak shots.  I fell victim to intimidation on so many levels.  The firmness of the greens, mixed with the very hard winds, the tightness of the grass around the greens, the depth of the rough (@ 3 inches in average), the high fescue waiting for any errant shot no more than 30 to 40 yards off the middle of the fairway, etc., etc. truly exposed how poorly I was swinging my irons.  I short sided myself WAY too much and my results showed that.  I played with Kevin Marsh both days of stroke play (he won the Mid-Am in 2005) and when we got to #2 tee at The Bridge (our 11th hole of the day) he was -4 under.  What a display of course management and control of one's golf ball.  I was very impressed with his round at The Bridge and consider it one of the finest rounds I have ever seen in person.

As for the lack of short par-4's, you are totally correct that holes 4, 8 and 17 could have used up tees to produce the same effect.  However, the only hole I could see truly working as a "drivable" par 4 with risk/reward was #4.  With the extremely deep bunker greenside left and the huge, shaved slope right of the green caroming balls back to the putting surface I think it would have made for a fantastic short 4 par.  8 and 17 are pretty straight forward uphill holes that didn't ooze the character that 4 would have by shortening it.

I don't know what the politics are like involved with making changes to teeing areas and bunkers but I think whatever you are doing is definitely headed in the right direction.  I love the tee up on #16 as much as the next guy, if I have a cart.  That walk is off the charts uphill.  I can't even properly describe how uphill it is.  It's WAY worse than the walk from 8 green to 9 tee at Cruden Bay and that is the limit to what I think is acceptable in terms of forced marches from green to tee.  I know changes have been made at Atlantic and I'm still unclear as to whether Rees was involved with them, but I certainly like them.  I see the changes made at The Bridge that I have outlined above as getting a big thumbs up from me.  I hope future changes continue to develop the course and property towards its own perfection.  The views at The Bridge are some of the best, if no THE best, on the South Fork.  Not to mention, you have a one of a kind clubhouse and pro shop that do a great job of reflecting the clubs theme and it a neat antithesis to Atlantic's attempt at a more classic vibe.  I love that sign that reads "THERE WILL BE NO MIRACLES HERE TODAY" as you arrive in the parking lot.  That couldn't be a truer statement if you're looking to take down the golf course with your sticks.  The Bridge will humble the biggest of egos.  Plus, your practice facility is much more user friendly than Atlantic's.  I wish I had spent more time hitting balls at The Bridge.


Jeff F.







Jeff,
Ageed with your thoughts on #8 and #4 (although 4 was almost driveable in the wind you faced-brutal pin-I think guys didn't know the hole well enough to risk a bomb driver downwind in stroke play-I've hit it over that green twice from one tee up)

17 is quite an interesting hole played up-a nasty green with multiple interesting pins-they changed the pin originally selected.
driving it in a fingered centerline bunker 30-70 yards short would leave a pretty tough second- there are a lot of tee options if one plays further up-in fact a couple of those bunkers are actually fairway bunkers :o :o
also the player would have to pick a side to drive it on depending upon pin placement
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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2010, 10:04:22 PM »
Jeff F. - It was definitely nice meeting you. Hopefully next time we'll be able to coordinate a round or two instead of just a quick chat after dinner.

Because I played in the opposite wind of Jeff I didn't even consider that no. 4 could have been drivable, even from an up tee. For me, no. 4 was such an interesting hole even into the wind. I had one of the longest conversations of the week with my caddy on how to get it anywhere close.  Looking back I agree with Jeff F. that the massive slope on the right side and bunker on the left would make that a very interesting hole. Especially if the pin is in the middle or left and you can bang it off that slop and funnel it right down towards the hole.

I think no. 17 would also make a cool short part four. With that massive bunker complex in front of the green and just enough fairway on either side, it could definitely be a solid hole. Depending on where the pin is located and where you hit your drive you could end up with a pretty much endless variation of bunker shots into that hole.

As for no. 16, I didn't walk up to that upper tee (although I did hear the view was fantastic), but it was more that enough hole for me into that wind we saw on Sunday. Although it was a very long 240 or so back to the pin, it would have been cool to see balls come of that slope on the left onto the green.


jeffwarne

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Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier ! New
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2010, 01:31:26 AM »
Matt E.,
#4 is definitely one of the best holes out there, particularly with the back right pin location.
The problem is, with the holes 25 mph downwind NO ONE could get it close, and into the wind it was just playing LONG (but into the wind was the easier day to get it close).
On a calmer day, that's a better hole where a good driver can challenge the bunker off the tee to set up an angle, or drive it over the hill, then hit a cut pitch and get it close. A safe shot of the tee leaves a very difficult second unless the player hits a REALLY good shot.
Given that much wind, a center pin might've made it a better hole-with the pin on the left, that's too easy a hole as everything feeds off that hill to the hole, regardless of tee shot angle(although it looks like a difficult second)
The hill is a great hazard and can be used strategically for great effect, particularly if a poor tee shot is hit , but if the pin is right, anything short or right runs down far to the left.
Given a few more practice days, the field would've done better and it would've been a great hole to watch in match play, particularly in match play.
we play that hole at 290 on one day in the member guest(although the strategy is lost on 90% of the field)

the left pin on the next hole was another that proved incredibly difficult in the howling left to right wind, yet quite easy in the right to left wind (another hole that in hindsight would've benefitted from a less extreme position given the opposite conditions)

I was hopeful that the wind would blow 10-15 or even 10-20 (common east end conditions), but the extreme wind of Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon made the set-up really difficult.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2010, 04:23:49 PM by jeffwarne »
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Bridge serves as part of Mid-Am qualifier !
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2010, 01:40:54 AM »
JeffWarne,

With regards to # 4, downwind, hole locations directly behind the front left bunker are very difficult.

Into the wind, they become easier.

Downwind, with back hole locations, sometimes you're better off landing short right and bouncing the ball onto the green and taking your chances on putting across the green, which normally, isn't that difficult.

I love # 8, it's one of my favorite holes.
Almost a skyline green.
And, downwind you can get very close to the green.
But again, you have to be careful with your approach when the hole is cut in a dicey location.
Better to two putt from 25 feet than try to recover from over or short of the green.

# 11 can be very devilish, you can't go after a left side hole location.
Just go to the center of the green and take your chances on the putt.

# 12 ?  Usually, you know how well you're driving the ball when you reach that tee.
If the wind isn't in your face, I like cutting the corner

As you indicated the the course has improved with time

jeffwarne

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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2010, 02:18:06 AM »
JeffWarne,

With regards to # 4, downwind, hole locations directly behind the front left bunker are very difficult.

Into the wind, they become easier.

Downwind, with back hole locations, sometimes you're better off landing short right and bouncing the ball onto the green and taking your chances on putting across the green, which normally, isn't that difficult.

I love # 8, it's one of my favorite holes.
Almost a skyline green.
And, downwind you can get very close to the green.
But again, you have to be careful with your approach when the hole is cut in a dicey location.
Better to two putt from 25 feet than try to recover from over or short of the green.

# 11 can be very devilish, you can't go after a left side hole location.
Just go to the center of the green and take your chances on the putt.

# 12 ?  Usually, you know how well you're driving the ball when you reach that tee.
If the wind isn't in your face, I like cutting the corner

As you indicated the the course has improved with time

Pat,
You're about 3 miles off ;D ;D
we're discussing 4 at The Bridge!
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

George Pazin

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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2010, 09:11:40 AM »
Terrific reading tournament experiences, thanks Matt and Jeff.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2010, 12:05:37 PM »




The greatest golf course sign

Matt_Ward

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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2010, 03:25:15 PM »
Jeff W:

Given the "improvements" on The Bridge -- do you see the course getting a more favorable response now than when it first opened several years ago ?

In sum -- does the course have the goods now to be rated among the best in the nation?

Chris Munoz

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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2010, 03:52:04 PM »
I had the great pleasure last month when I was back home on Long Island to visit Sebonack, Atlantic and Southampton.  I worked at Sebonack for nine months, before landing the position where I am now, Corales. 

Met with Garret and his assistant and good friend of mine Nick V. for a couple of hours and checked out the course.  Looks great.  after Sebonack I went to go see my buddy at Atlantic GC, Bob Ranum.  Had a blast there.  Showed me all of the work he has done so far there and he was just happy to share all of his thoughts ideas that went through what he did.  Course looked great, dealing with the drought that the northeast had to deal with.  The course was in prime condition. 

What I was impressed with Atlantic is that you can see various sight lines from several holes.  Just awesome.  All of the new bunkering and fescue work looks great and fits the course. 

There are just a handful of superintendents out there like Bob Ranum, that just take so much pride in what he does for a living and has fun doing it at the sametime. 
Christian C. Munoz
Assistant Superintendent Corales
PUNTACANA Resort & Club
www.puntacana.com

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