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Chris Buie

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Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« on: September 07, 2010, 11:05:37 AM »
Just announced...
no word on what kind of hat Fowler will be sporting just yet...
« Last Edit: September 12, 2010, 12:24:27 PM by Chris Buie »

Jeff Fortson

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 11:07:35 AM »
Like.
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C. Squier

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2010, 11:16:56 AM »
Great picks. 

Fowler is cooler than the other side of the pillow.  Can't wait to see him bring his Walker Cup game to the big show. 

Jerry Kluger

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2010, 11:31:25 AM »
I simply do not understand - Pavin obviously has his reasons but I am at a loss.  Cink is not really playing well and hasn't had a top 10 finish since June. Fowler makes no sense.  Kim isn't playing great but he's been there before and showed his stuff and he can still run off a string of birdies which is what match play is all about.  Fowler is flashy, etc., but he has no experience on the world stage and he also hasn't had a top 10 finish since June. 

Monty's picks made much more sense.  Harrington has experience and so does Donald and Molinari is playing great. 

This could get ugly.

George Pazin

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2010, 11:35:12 AM »
Cink = overrated. I like the guy, wouldn't have picked him.

I like Woods, Fowler, can go either way with ZJ - would have picked AK or JB Holmes over Cink.

My 4: Woods, Fowler, Casey, Rose... :)
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Tim Pitner

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2010, 11:38:00 AM »
To me, the picks are very solid.  Woods was a given, Johnson is steady and has played very well of late.  Pavin probably felt like he needed another veteran and went with recent Open champion Cink.  Then, he had to choose one among the likes of O'Hair, Watney, Kim etc. and went with Fowler, who has played well and maybe has the most upside.  Kim has played very poorly because of his injury.  Guys like O'Hair and Watney might feel they have put in their time more than young Fowler but Pavin isn't obligated to consider that.  Pavin's picks make a lot of sense to me.  

Greg Tallman

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2010, 11:39:22 AM »
With Kim's rep on tour there was no way he was going to get picked by a guy like Corey.

Love the Fowler pick and Johnson has been playing quite well.

Cink is a "safe" pick and Tiger a no brainer.

Terry Lavin

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2010, 11:44:06 AM »
I, too, am not sold on Stewart Cink, but like the other three picks.  Woods is rounding into game shape, Rickie Fowler is a great young talent and Zach Johnson is nothing but solid.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 12:35:25 PM by Terry Lavin »
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Chris Buie

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2010, 11:52:33 AM »
Cink's Ryder Cup record is 4-7-4.
Hmm...

PCCraig

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 12:06:27 PM »
Those are nice picks, Cink and Fowler being the "wild cards."

I'm not sure it will matter as I think the Euros are going to kick butt on their soil...their team is stacked!
H.P.S.

Matt_Ward

Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2010, 12:24:38 PM »
Agre w Jerry K -- Fowler is on a roll with the hype machine behind him but it's too soon / too early for him. The cauldron of a Ryder Cup is miles beyond a Walker Cup or any other amateur team competition.

Cink lucked out with his Open win when Watson gave it away. Solid performer no doubt but his best days are behind him.

I agree with the Woods pick because Tiger is rounding into form -- albeit on a slow-ER pace but getting there. Zach is a tough hombre and will be ready to roll at Celtic Manor.

Sean O'Hair proved himself at the last Ryder Cup and has much more experience AND game than Fowler.

Tim Pitner

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2010, 12:28:36 PM »
Cink's Ryder Cup record is 4-7-4.
Hmm...

Well, he has good company . . .

Jim Furyk 8-13-3
Zach Johnson 1-2-1
Phil Mickelson 10-14-6
Steve Stricker 0-2-1
Tiger Woods 10-13-2

JNC Lyon

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 12:30:13 PM »
How about picking guys that have been consistently good this year?  Bo Van Pelt, Ben Crane, or Nick Watney would have been good choices.  If guys are finishing top 10 each week, there are playing well enough to win individual matches.  Winning one or two tournaments does not guarantee that you will play well for a three-day team event, but consistent good play gives you a good shot.

Favorite guy on the team right now: Matt Kuchar.  Only one win this year, but look at his record this year!  Very solid, especially in the majors.
"That's why Oscar can't see that!" - Philip E. "Timmy" Thomas

Ben Stephens

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2010, 12:30:58 PM »
Sean O'Hair proved himself at the last Ryder Cup and has much more experience AND game than Fowler.

Matt,

I have never seen O'Hair in the Ryder Cup! Are you confusing him with JB Holmes or the Presidents Cup???

Cheers
Ben

Thomas Patterson

Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2010, 12:32:56 PM »
I really like Cink's personality, but not sure if his golf has been good enough this year to warrant a pick.  I like the other 3 picks though.  I think Fowler has a chance to surprise everyone and sweep his matches.

Was just looking at the individual records and was surprised to see more losses than wins on lots of members...

Ben Stephens

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2010, 12:33:50 PM »
From a European perspective

Tiger is Tiger - good news for us as our players tend to play better vs Tiger.
Cink + Johnson - tough nuts to crack and always up for any game.
Fowler is the unknown - he has a great Matchplay record in the Walker Cup.

No JB Holmes is a plus cos the Celtic Manor's 2010 course will be very long come October.

Cheers
Ben

Sean Leary

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2010, 12:36:47 PM »
I want good putters on my team, so I like Cink and Zach Johnson.

Fowler is a wild card but no one else really stood out.

Tim Taylor

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2010, 12:42:50 PM »
Cink's Ryder Cup record is 4-7-4.
Hmm...

Well, he has good company . . .

Jim Furyk 8-13-3
Zach Johnson 1-2-1
Phil Mickelson 10-14-6
Steve Stricker 0-2-1
Tiger Woods 10-13-2


Exactly. There can't be too many Americans with multiple Ryder Cup experience that have winning records. We've just lost too many the past two decades.

Tim

Matt_Ward

Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2010, 12:43:03 PM »
Ben:

Forgive me -- the President's Cup. O'Hair is a big time talent -- Fowler has great upside but a Ryder Cup is too soon for him. Kim's crash could have had Pavin go in plenty of directions. Fowler will have a major adjustment and I think better American talent was left on the sidelines.

Tom Birkert

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2010, 12:54:21 PM »
I think the Ryder Cup is going to be much closer than many people think.

The European side has a lot of rookies, and I question Montgomerie's pick of Harrington hugely given his general poor form and woeful Ryder Cup performance two years ago, and I also doubt him as captain. Casey should have been picked instead in my opinion.

The Europeans have the experience (most definitely not the pleasure) of having played at Celtic Manor before, but the course will suit long hitters, and the US have those in abundance.

I think it's a real shame the Ryder Cup in Europe is being pimped round to the highest bidder. Holding it at courses such as Celtic Manor does not help the game and does not showcase good architecture.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2010, 12:59:10 PM »
Ben:

Forgive me -- the President's Cup. O'Hair is a big time talent -- Fowler has great upside but a Ryder Cup is too soon for him. Kim's crash could have had Pavin go in plenty of directions. Fowler will have a major adjustment and I think better American talent was left on the sidelines.

I was at Royal County Down where Ricky was a match for Rory McIlroy at the 2007 Walker Cup.  It will be entertaining to see them at it again.  Fowler had the match play desire to stay around for a second Walker Cup at Merion.  He gets the TEAM match play concept, where most Americans only see match play at the Accenture which is not a team event.  

Plus Ricky knows foursomes.  I'm picking him to lead the way for Team USA!

John Moore II

Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2010, 01:05:52 PM »
I think the Ryder Cup is going to be much closer than many people think.

The European side has a lot of rookies, and I question Montgomerie's pick of Harrington hugely given his general poor form and woeful Ryder Cup performance two years ago, and I also doubt him as captain. Casey should have been picked instead in my opinion.

The Europeans have the experience (most definitely not the pleasure) of having played at Celtic Manor before, but the course will suit long hitters, and the US have those in abundance.

I think it's a real shame the Ryder Cup in Europe is being pimped round to the highest bidder. Holding it at courses such as Celtic Manor does not help the game and does not showcase good architecture.

And the PGA of America doesn't Pimp out the Ryder Cup to the highest bidder, so to speak? Certainly The Country Club was a great pick, but Valhalla? There are probably a dozen courses that would jump to host the Ryder Cup, but due to external factors (crowd control, etc) couldn't host a major. The PGA wants to package it all together; I don't think it should be that way.

Jerry Kluger

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2010, 01:11:08 PM »
Bill: I think your emotions are getting in the way of your objectivity.  Taking Fowler is pure guesswork on Pavin's part - his is a flashy kid with no track record and will have little in common with the other guys on the team.  Sure, he has a chance to do well but the downside is far too risky.  Who do you pair him with in the two man events? Kim knows the guys, has played in Ryder Cup and Presidents Cup and is not the playboy he was back a few years ago.  If anything, Kim had the surgery just so he could play in the Ryder Cup which shows a true dedication.  

Bill_McBride

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2010, 01:14:14 PM »
Bill: I think your emotions are getting in the way of your objectivity.  Taking Fowler is pure guesswork on Pavin's part - his is a flashy kid with no track record and will have little in common with the other guys on the team.  Sure, he has a chance to do well but the downside is far too risky.  Who do you pair him with in the two man events? Kim knows the guys, has played in Ryder Cup and Presidents Cup and is not the playboy he was back a few years ago.  If anything, Kim had the surgery just so he could play in the Ryder Cup which shows a true dedication.  

Jerry, check back with me after the event!

A Bubba Watson - Rickie Fowler pairing would be explosive!

Phil McDade

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Re: Corey's Picks: Cink, Z. Johnson, Woods and Fowler
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2010, 01:15:33 PM »
Correctly predicted here (see reply #5):

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,45589.0/

Jerry:

Ryder Cup experience can be over-rated; Holmes and Weekley had terrific Ryder Cups two years ago as rookies, and plenty of Euro rookies have done well in the last two decades. I think you want a mix of experience and rookies, and Pavin has Mickelson, Mahan, Furyk, and Stricker -- and now Cink, Johnson and Woods -- with RCup experience, four of those multiple RCups.

JNC Lyon:

Watney's final round at the PGA may have cost him a slot on the team; can't imagine Pavin didn't notice his final-round meltdown under a lot of pressure.

Matt:

The last time the RCup was on Euro soil, in '06, Cink was one of the few bright spots for a US squad that played quite poorly. Three halves, one blowout loss, and a big early win against Sergio that gave the US a small glimmer during singles play. He was 14th on the points list, and Pavin chose two guys ahead of him not already on the team (Woods, Johnson), and bypassed an injured Kim and Glover, who's done nothing this year, and blew a final-round lead recently. The difference between a Van Pelt as 13th and Cink at 14th is a flip of the coin; given that Cink's been there before, and Van Pelt isn't a great putter, I think the choice of Cink is defensible.

Fowler's a bit of a flier -- but he's got a lot of game and the kind of flair that I think might prove successful in the highly charged atmosphere of the RCup.


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