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Mike_Young

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Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« on: August 19, 2010, 10:35:50 PM »
Just reading another thread regarding a "Best Course you've and got to thinking.... ;)
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Bill_McBride

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2010, 10:38:04 PM »
Just reading another thread regarding a "Best Course you've and got to thinking.... ;)

 ;D ;D

Paul Jones

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2010, 10:44:35 PM »
Okay, I will bite... How can you critique a course without playing it or seeing it?  From what others had to say about it?

Paul Jones
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2010, 10:46:13 PM »
Okay, I will bite... How can you critique a course without playing it or seeing it?  From what others had to say about it?



Or either GCA profiles/threads or magazine ratings?   ::)

John Moore II

Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2010, 10:50:30 PM »
Okay, I will bite... How can you critique a course without playing it or seeing it?  From what others had to say about it?



Well, maybe not the whole course or layout. But the courses played on tour, I think you can critique an individual hole or set-up. I was quite 'vocal' about Pebble Beach during the US Open and how I felt the set-up was ridiculous in a few cases.. Perhaps not a critique of the whole course, just one hole and its set-up within the microcosm of the US Open Championship. One of my key points was how I felt it was not 'natural' that professionals were unable to get a ball within 20 feet of the hole on 7 (Dustin Johnson's miss-hit that he was obviously worried would end up in the bunker not withstanding). Same about the set-up on 14. I guess my comments were not so much to say the architecture itself was inferior, but that the tournament set-up was inferior.

Mike_Young

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2010, 10:51:19 PM »
Okay, I will bite... How can you critique a course without playing it or seeing it?  From what others had to say about it?



hmmm.  I've seen it done....now many times it is done in a manner where the person has been on this site long enough that he has convinced himself he has played it...then he remembers.... ;D  or you can play it on the video games....
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Paul Jones

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2010, 10:57:36 PM »

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....or you can play it on the video games....

That is funny :-) - but probably sad also because it is true.
Paul Jones
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Mike_Young

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2010, 10:58:30 PM »
come on..I thought we would get a huge "dork fest" out of this post....
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Bill_McBride

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2010, 11:02:45 PM »
come on..I thought we would get a huge "dork fest" out of this post....

None of the dorks are biting.   ;D

Mike_Young

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2010, 11:05:06 PM »
come on..I thought we would get a huge "dork fest" out of this post....

None of the dorks are biting.   ;D
Patience Bill....look..the nerd herd hits first and then the dorks will start gathering....just sit back....
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Ben Voelker

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2010, 11:06:55 PM »
Pine Valley ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bill_McBride

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2010, 11:09:37 PM »
come on..I thought we would get a huge "dork fest" out of this post....

None of the dorks are biting.   ;D
Patience Bill....look..the nerd herd hits first and then the dorks will start gathering....just sit back....

Are you bored this evening?  A bit of insomnia perhaps?

Mike_Young

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2010, 11:12:32 PM »
I had to go to Grand Caymen for a day and did not get home until 3 this morning so a little out of kilter....but I am playing with creating some "on topic OT threads"  so this was a good nite.... ;)
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

TEPaul

Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2010, 11:49:19 PM »
I just wouldn't do that Mike, and I never have. THAT is the fundamental problem I have with Tom MacWood on here---eg he both critiques the architecture of and the recorded histories of courses and clubs he has never even been to or seen. I wish you and more on here would call him out on that!

John Moore II

Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2010, 12:30:56 AM »
I just wouldn't do that Mike, and I never have. THAT is the fundamental problem I have with Tom MacWood on here---eg he both critiques the architecture of and the recorded histories of courses and clubs he has never even been to or seen. I wish you and more on here would call him out on that!

And with that one comment, a thread that had slight potential to be something decent went straight down the toilet. This will probably run 20 pages just because of that one comment. OH JOY.  ::)

PCCraig

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2010, 09:20:31 AM »
Apparently you can judge a course and decide you never want to play it because you've already "seen" it thanks to HD Television. ::) :) ;) 
H.P.S.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2010, 09:45:13 AM »
Apparently you can judge a course and decide you never want to play it because you've already "seen" it thanks to HD Television. ::) :) ;) 

This is a great country, right?   ;D

PCCraig

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2010, 10:47:13 AM »
Apparently you can judge a course and decide you never want to play it because you've already "seen" it thanks to HD Television. ::) :) ;) 

This is a great country, right?   ;D

:)
H.P.S.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2010, 11:02:02 AM »
Augusta National seems to be the King of this category.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

mark chalfant

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2010, 12:11:33 PM »
Churchill  Downs  near  Kentucky

Peter Pallotta

Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2010, 02:18:31 PM »
Mike - I once praised a course called LongShadow sight unseen. Does that count?  ;D

Peter

George Pazin

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2010, 02:23:23 PM »
You guys are pikers, I once wired $4K to a guy I've never met on the other side of the world for a course I still haven't seen.

THAT, my friends, is drinking the Kool Aid.

 :)

I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Charlie Goerges

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2010, 05:02:38 PM »
A whole bunch of them. Generally on the basis of photographs. Bear in mind that critique does not merely mean to enumerate the course's shortcomings.

I believe that photographs can offer meaningful information about a golf course. I realize that there are those who feel the opposite. We'll have to agree to disagree on this point.
Severally on the occasion of everything that thou doest, pause and ask thyself, if death is a dreadful thing because it deprives thee of this. - Marcus Aurelius

Mike_Young

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2010, 06:47:18 PM »
Mike - I once praised a course called LongShadow sight unseen. Does that count?  ;D

Peter

Just don't look at it right now.... ;D
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Bill_McBride

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Re: Best course you've critiqued but never played or seen......
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2010, 07:10:07 PM »
Mike - I once praised a course called LongShadow sight unseen. Does that count?  ;D

Peter

Just don't look at it right now.... ;D

Wasn't that bad in late May ...... except for my chat with the owner.   >:( :P

My fancy private club friends much preferred Longshadow, in its current state of genteel shabbiness, to Great Waters which we played the next day.

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