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Mike Hendren

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Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« on: August 19, 2010, 03:37:10 PM »
Stanley Thompson is listed as the architect of this club's course.  Is anyone familiar with it and if so how much of his original work remains?  Thanks.

Mike
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Sean Leary

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Re: Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2010, 04:48:10 PM »
I believe this question has come up before. I am not sure whether it was ever verified whether Tacoma was, in fact a Thompson course. I want to say Jeff Mingay knew more about this, but maybe it was somebody else.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2010, 05:00:45 PM »
Michael,
Here is the link where its pedigree was discussed. http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,33918.0/

On a side note, I won't be able to make it up there for dinner.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2010, 06:00:46 PM by Pete_Pittock »

Bill_McBride

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Re: Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2010, 05:20:42 PM »
Bogeymon,

Pretty close and also in Tacoma is the Spanaway course.  If I recall correctly, it's an A. V. Macan public course that could be worth a look.

Mike Hendren

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Re: Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2010, 05:30:54 PM »
Thanks to all.  Peter you will be missed.

Bill, thanks for the recommendation - I've played Macan's Fircrest in Tacoma and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Mike
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Michael Hayes

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Re: Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2010, 05:54:01 PM »
This time line from Bryon Vincent is almost dead on...

1894 - Alexander Baillie rented property and designed a course.
1904ish - The land Baillie rented from Edison now had to be released as the owner desired to put homesites on the property. 
1905 - The Tacoma Golf course was built at its current location, called the American Lake course at the time until the final closure of the "Edison" course.  It is believed that Jim Barnes (President of the new site) and Alexander Baillie (Vice-Pres) were most influential in the course layout.
1906 - Closure of the Edison property
1909 - Clubhouse destroyed in a fire
1905-1923 - many financial struggles at the property cause the course to grow slowly, often creating just one hole at a time.
1917 - Original watering system installed.  At this time, it is clear that the original American Lake routing was completed.
1923 - Club decided to raise funds by allowing member donors to improve a hole and in return they were allowed to name the hole.
1987 - John Steidel redesigned 5 holes.
 

In addition, it is a strongly held belief that V.Macan did the bunkers in the early 1950's.  John Harbottle is a current member of the club and works with Superintendent Joel Kachmarek on current tweaks...


Michael Hayes
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Dale Jackson

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Re: Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2010, 06:10:11 PM »
AV Macan stated near the end of his life that he had worked on all the major courses in the Northwest except, I think, Waverley in Portland (it might have been the Portland Golf Club) course.

It seems extremely likely he would have worked to one degree or another at Tacoma.  Based on Mike Riste's research and some I have done, I believe it unlikely Tacoma CGC could be called a "Macan" course.
I've seen an architecture, something new, that has been in my mind for years and I am glad to see a man with A.V. Macan's ability to bring it out. - Gene Sarazen

Bill_McBride

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Re: Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2010, 06:18:28 PM »
AV Macan stated near the end of his life that he had worked on all the major courses in the Northwest except, I think, Waverley in Portland (it might have been the Portland Golf Club) course.

It seems extremely likely he would have worked to one degree or another at Tacoma.  Based on Mike Riste's research and some I have done, I believe it unlikely Tacoma CGC could be called a "Macan" course.

Dale, am I right about Macan and Spanaway?  (Or is it "Lake Spanaway?")

Dale Jackson

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Re: Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2010, 06:33:19 PM »

Dale, am I right about Macan and Spanaway?  (Or is it "Lake Spanaway?")

It is Lake Spanaway and it seems to have a bit of an interesting history.  From accounts I can find it is listed as a design by AV Macan and Ken Tyson, and that it opened in 1967.  Given Macan died in 1964, there is an unexplained time gap.   Perhaps Macan did the initial drawing and Tyson did the on site work after Macan's death.  Tyson, incidentally, is the designer of the excellent Cascade at Gold Mountain in Bremerton.

Evidently John Harbottle did a redesign later on.
I've seen an architecture, something new, that has been in my mind for years and I am glad to see a man with A.V. Macan's ability to bring it out. - Gene Sarazen

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2010, 06:34:18 PM »
Dale,
Just skimmed my club histories. Macan was architect of record at Waverley for nearly thirty years. Junor had the lock on all work at PGC.

BVince

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Re: Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2010, 10:11:21 PM »
Michael,

I was a member there for a few years before a recent relocation to the Dallas, TX area.  I have had several conversations with John Harbottle and Josh Bridge (GM) about the designs.  There is no proof that Stanley Thompson had any part of the design and I actually had stumbled upon an article one time that had mentioned that A.V. Macan was involved. 

The reason there is so much uncertainty with the designers is the fact that there have been two massive fires that destroyed the "Grand Old Lady" which was the original clubhouse and most of the history was lost at that time.  The only part of the original country club that remains is the fireplace located in the new wing that was recently renovated.

As for the course, it is pure delight.  A old parkland course in great shape continues to "tweak" some things here or there over time.  Some may initially think that the course is a very easy layout, but it can play hard with tree lined fairways and quick greens.  The more you play it the more you realize how much strategy is out there.  There are some major risk reward holes especially when you look at numbers 5, 7, 11, 13, and 14.  These holes appear easy on the scorecard but I can not tell you how many times they end up the victor over many great players.
If profanity had an influence on the flight of the ball, the game of golf would be played far better than it is. - Horace Hutchinson

Bill_McBride

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Re: Tacoma Country and Golf Club
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2010, 10:42:14 PM »

Dale, am I right about Macan and Spanaway?  (Or is it "Lake Spanaway?")

It is Lake Spanaway and it seems to have a bit of an interesting history.  From accounts I can find it is listed as a design by AV Macan and Ken Tyson, and that it opened in 1967.  Given Macan died in 1964, there is an unexplained time gap.   Perhaps Macan did the initial drawing and Tyson did the on site work after Macan's death.  Tyson, incidentally, is the designer of the excellent Cascade at Gold Mountain in Bremerton.

Evidently John Harbottle did a redesign later on.

Interesting.  I played in a business outing at Lake Spanaway in spring 1968 and the course did not seem brand new - as least as far as I can remember back that far.  I recall some tree-lined fairways.  Perhaps the 1967 opening is a bit later than the actual opening date.

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