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Jim Nagle

Lawsonia Links photos
« on: March 08, 2002, 06:56:54 AM »
The following photos are from our (Forse Design) most recent trip to Lawsonia, July 2001.
As stated before they have removed numerous trees with hopes of reinstating bunkers and
expanding greens and fairways.  Little else is need there.  



Photo of the sixth hole from behind the forward tee.  If you hope to get home with a club to hold the green
(a 6 or 7 iron) you must carry the ten foot deep bunker.  You can risk the bunkers on the left and have short shot in.  But, if your in the bunker your likely to lose the hole.



A birthday cake greensite with (merely) 6 foot deep bunkers flanking the sides.  Unusaul lower
tier actually occupies the back and left as opposed to the front.



Majority of tree removed from the native area on the inside of the dogleg.  The pigeon toed bunkers are 6-8 feet deep.  They suggest the "spectacles" but they are much, much wider.



A great par 5 playing level to slightly down hill of the tee then playing to an elevated green.  



A sporty short par 4.  The difficulty is more in the shot to the green.  Green is guarded
on both sides with deep bunkering.  There is a narrow opening into the green.





A great finishing hole.  The green is similar to many Ross greens with a center ridge creating strategy on the placement of your shot to the green.

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wlangford

Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2002, 07:10:19 AM »
Nice photos Jim.   Just to let you know, we removed the trees behind #6 last fall.  The county helped us out this winter and removed 90% of the trees along the roadside of #5 and #6 this winter.   This is a different site!

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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2002, 07:11:01 AM »
Jim,
    Could you tell us where it's located?  Pics look great.
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wlangford

Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2002, 07:15:30 AM »
I can help you out Scott.   Lawsonia is located in Green Lake Wisconsin.  About 35 miles West of Fond du Lac, close to Madison, Milwaukee, Green Bay...centrally located.  Just log into www.lawsonia.com for a map.

You'd enjoy this facility!


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Jim,
    Could you tell us where it's located?  Pics look great.
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2002, 07:18:17 AM »
RJ Daley,

You mean this is where we could have gone??

I do have to make it a point to get back to WI.  Thanks for the pics Jim!  Great stuff!
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A_Clay_Man

Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2002, 07:21:49 AM »
Scott- Lawsonia GL is located in Greenlake Wisconsin. (Approx. center of state) Which is about 6 miles west of Ripon the first home of the Republican party. Greenlake is the deepest fresh water lake in the state.

The course was built in the late twenties by  philanthropist John Lawson. Lawson was not a golfer and In 1930 He donated the land to the Baptist church who have owned it ever since.

I remeber my first impression was that he had built it to piss off his buddies, who did golf.

IMHO there is only one spot to dine in Greenlake and thats Norton's.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2002, 07:48:48 AM »
I thought I recalled, from my (to date) one visit to Lawsonia, that Mr. Lawson was a newspaperman, from Chicago.

So I thought I'd take this opportunity -- and force you guys to concede that at least one journalist has done at least one wonderful thing with his life. (That's a joke, by the way. Not much of a joke, I'll grant you.)

Here's some history, from www.lawsonia.com:

Lawsonia's home was once the elegant country estate of self-made millionaires Victor and Jessie Lawson of Chicago. Victor Lawson was publisher of the Chicago Daily News and co-founder of the Associated Press. His wife, daughter of well-known U.S. Clerk of Courts William Henry Bradley, was a Chicago socialite who had summered often in Green Lake....

In 1887, while boating near Green Lake, the Lawsons were forced to find shelter as a storm approached. After docking on remote acreage they called Lone Tree Point, they became enchanted by the beauty, later purchased it, and developed the 10 acres into a 1,000 acre estate called Lone Tree Farm. (Lawson's wooden boat, one of the few archetypes left in the world, is today displayed on the grounds.)

Mrs. Lawson, in the absence of her industrious husband, designed the estate using only the finest imported materials which shaped every inch of the land into a rare sight. Millions were spent on elaborate roads, bridges, buildings and other still-present developments, making the farm a popular showplace of advanced technology and design.

Excessive expenditures were made on the construction of Tarvia-tarred roads, white-enameled brick barns, adorned coves, elevatored water towers, spiral-stair cased observation landings, boulder-faced bridges, and a quaint nine-hole golf course exclusively for friends and guests. Mrs. Lawson tolerated no unseemliness, literally inspecting daily with white gloves, everything from walls to the twice-daily bathed pure-bred cows.

The Lawsons (after her death in 1917 and his in 1925) left the estate, then valued at $8 million, to heirs. It was sold for only $300,000 to the H.O Stone Company of Chicago, which spent about $3 million more to build a superb 18-hole golf course known then as Lawsonia Country Club. Architect William Langford was given an unlimited budget to build the Links Course in 1930. Complete with a gambling casino, outdoor swimming pool, Crystal Dining room, the Lawsonia Country Club (now called Roger Williams Inn) was surrounded by elaborate private homes as it became an exclusive retreat for the Midwest's most affluent. It was referred to as a "millionaire's playground", then attracting the most elite Hollywood stars, athletes, and empire builders.

After the depression, H.O. Stone Company filed bankruptcy and the Continental Bank of Chicago acquired ownership for about $300,000. The bank operated the estate by renting houses, holding conventions, and running the hotel as a public summer resort for about 10 years. Upon W.W. II and the gas ration, the estate was shut completely down from 1942-43, the first time in 54 years.
  
During that time the U.S. government investigated buying the property for the U.S. Air Force Academy.  Instead, the Academy leased the barn to house 450 German war prisoners in 1944. Today this barn, now remaining as William Carey Hall, is the largest dairy barn in the U.S.

In December of 1943, under the leadership of Dr. Luther Wesley Smith and James L. Kraft of Kraft Foods, Inc., the estate was purchased by the Northern Baptist Convention, developed into a national religious center, and renamed the American Baptist Assembly (ABA)/ Green Lake Conference Center. The ABA has invested in the expansion of Lawsonia, adding a second 18-hole course and new clubhouse, which enhanced it's already-renown reputation into one of the nation's finest 36-hole public golf facilities. Lawsonia was operated as a nonprofit organization until 1994, when it became incorporated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the ABA.

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SPDB

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Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2002, 08:03:39 AM »
I am completely blown away by these pics, and speechless.
where can one find other Langford specimen courses?
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John_Conley

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Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2002, 09:35:16 AM »
I'm amazed at the response.  People seem to be surprised at how nice the course is.  It doesn't seem to qualify as a hidden gem in my parlance, as its merits have been known for decades.  But I guess its remote location has kept it from more widespread acclaim.

I played it once about 15 years ago and loved it.

Wisconsin is an under-heralded golf state.  It doesn't seem like anyone knows much past Kohler.
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Matt_Ward

Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2002, 09:48:36 AM »
John Conley:

Amen to you comments about Wisconsin golf.

It seems everyone in golfdom only thinks the state exists with Whistling Straits (Straits and Irish) and Blackwolf Run (River and Meadow Valley).

I played Lawsonia during a visit years ago and also played Milwaukee CC and believe they are a real treat -- a must see for any visit. It seems from the pictures that Lawsonia has made a serious effort to have top flight conditioning. When I was there it was good but the greens were borderline shoulder-turn types. The layout and all the elements the pictures show is really something to behold -- kudos to Langford and the thread on the course.

University Ridge is good as well as Brown County near Green Bay if I recall correctly. How well is Stevens Point doing in Wassau? Wisconsin clearly has plenty to offer. ;)
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AStaples

Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2002, 10:29:28 AM »
SPDB.

Ozaukee C.C. in Ozuakee/ Pewaukee, WI area is an outstanding course complete with an elephant buried on a par-3 green, I think it's the 6th hole.  And there's West Bend C.C. in West Bend, WI.  It has 9 holes by Langford with many of the same burns you see at Lawsonia.  I think there a couple more of his around, but those are the ones I've played.

Andy
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Peter Galea

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Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2002, 10:49:57 AM »
Outstanding shapes. Big, man-sized, BOLD features. I really like. AWT would be impressed.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2002, 11:08:29 AM »
Jim Nagle, this wlangford guy sounds strikingly similar to a fella with the initials JP if you ask me. ;)

Like our friend JP  errr wlangford says, much has been done recently again.  I have pics of 6 before and after the aiming trees.  I have never bee so conflicted about a tree removal decision.  I like[d] it both ways.  Although the aiming trees defining the top front right tier and rear left tier was one of the really cool and unique local knowledge sort of quirks, I realise it was not original intent.  (I will try and mail you pics Jim, and it is remarkable how we choose to set our cameras up at same angles.  I can duplicate every pic you posted  ;)

I just recently told someone off line that one should play the Langford course at Lawsonia at twilight, as you can see from Jim's pics, there is a golden hue that is magical at Lawsonia. I must say that fitting in a late afternoon round during those special peak color fall weeks is one of the most glorious joys of golf.

Super, Mike Berwick has made great progress in getting the green speeds in the correct zone to match the wild green undulations. And he is gradually bringing the fairways out and it plays firm and fast (except for after big rain events) the times I've been there in past few years.

I have an article to submit to a publication 3/4 written for last year and a half.  I have been waiting for final bunker tweaking and green edge reclamation on selected greens and surrounds before I complete the piece.  That just gives me more time to seek even more glorious pictures  :D

Mike Cirba, trust me next time...  ;D

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wlangford

Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2002, 12:17:32 PM »
OK ...MR. Daley...the secret is out, but what great marketing this has been! ;D

You know how I feel though.   This is a must play course.  It is just not as busy as it should be.  I will help set up the GCA event if the interest is there.  Let me know RJ.

JP


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Jim Nagle, this wlangford guy sounds strikingly similar to a fella with the initials JP if you ask me. ;)

Like our friend JP  errr wlangford says, much has been done recently again.  I have pics of 6 before and after the aiming trees.  I have never bee so conflicted about a tree removal decision.  I like[d] it both ways.  Although the aiming trees defining the top front right tier and rear left tier was one of the really cool and unique local knowledge sort of quirks, I realise it was not original intent.  (I will try and mail you pics Jim, and it is remarkable how we choose to set our cameras up at same angles.  I can duplicate every pic you posted  ;)

I just recently told someone off line that one should play the Langford course at Lawsonia at twilight, as you can see from Jim's pics, there is a golden hue that is magical at Lawsonia. I must say that fitting in a late afternoon round during those special peak color fall weeks is one of the most glorious joys of golf.

Super, Mike Berwick has made great progress in getting the green speeds in the correct zone to match the wild green undulations. And he is gradually bringing the fairways out and it plays firm and fast (except for after big rain events) the times I've been there in past few years.

I have an article to submit to a publication 3/4 written for last year and a half.  I have been waiting for final bunker tweaking and green edge reclamation on selected greens and surrounds before I complete the piece.  That just gives me more time to seek even more glorious pictures  :D

Mike Cirba, trust me next time...  ;D


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wsmorrison

Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2002, 12:37:11 PM »
Jim,
Truly enjoyed the pictures, I gotta get me to that part of Wisconsin some time.  
Regards
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2002, 02:36:15 PM »
>:( >:( >:(
Jim N., I spent half the afternoon compiling a series of e-mail pics to your e-mail address link on the side of the posts.  They all came back 'undeliverable'.  Use the feature where you pick on the GCA member name and then use the link 'send a message to this member' to forward me an e-mail that works.  That is if you want to see some fall color pics of same scenes you have shown.  I got a million of them... ;D

JP:  I'll be calling you because several GCA guys are asking to get something together this spring.  George Bahto had expressed interest a while ago also.  I would be very interested to have him see the course with his vast knowledge of Raynor.  The comparisons in style and technique are amazing to me.  Selfishly, I'd hate to see the course so jammed and with cartballers that it detracts from the rare experience that it is.  That is why you usually see me show up for twilight, and with camera... (besides the fact that a twilight walking round there is one of the best bargains in golf anywhere!!!) :o
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Paul Richards

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Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2002, 02:44:07 PM »
Jim:

Thanks for sharing the photos.  They bring back fond
memories of my visit to Lawsonia last fall.
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A_Clay_Man

Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2002, 05:05:45 PM »
Dick- I too would cherish any photos for memories sake.
 And I concur visa vie the 6th, I always seemed to be in those trees making sure to avoid the ridge.
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Ran Morrissett

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Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2002, 07:00:16 AM »
Jim,

You wrote, "As stated before they have removed numerous trees with hopes of reinstating bunkers and
expanding greens and fairways."

Where do things stand with this work? How many bunkers are missing? Are there particularly key bunkers that you are anxious to see brought back? How many sq. ft. of green could be recaptured?

Fully restored, how would this design compare with Raynor's work in Chicago?

Cheers,
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Lawsonia Links photos
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2002, 09:46:45 AM »
Ran, I'll chime in, in case Jim isn't looking in too frequently.   I have seen a routing plan that has restored features depicted.  Really, there isn't much more to do.  There are 2 or 3 bunkers that were originally wrapped around corners of green sites that were segmented into one single bunker on a single side.  I believe that is the case with the green site on 5.  Currently there are two maples similar to the aiming trees that were already removed behind 6 green that you can still see in Jim's first photo above. Very minor.  Starting with that first photo, you can see what I call the gullwing nature of many of the flattish based bunkers with backstopped grassy mounds utilizing a long feathered out into fairway blind backside of the mound to speedramp your drive down to a longer than expected LZ.  Deep down the hill a monster drive could find the bunker mound you see peeking up at left.  If you take it over the left 1/3 of that bunker you get that speedramp.  But the diagonal is deceptive, and a shorter knocker like me can get caught up in the grassy mound and far bunker sand if you drift right and only hit it 210-220.  The same holds true for many more tee ball and second shots on par 5s.  The third picture is again representative of the gullwing aiming bunker.   From the notch and to the left is obviously the best flight of the tee ball.  As you look at that third picture, #9par5dogright, you will see the golden native grass field.  That used to be strewn with about 30 pine trees blocking the corner of the dogleg.  Now the rough is varied and muchof it sparse and one can play the shot out of that tall grass.  That second picture is also representative of the kind of rolls there are on Lawsonia's greens.  Note the aiming trees in first pic, and then the relationship to the second shot with the placement of the aaiming trees, and compare them to the second picture and the front higher right plateau, and lower rear and left.  Those aiming trees are now gone!  As I said, it is one of the points of the restoration that I am conflicted about. (I'll send you e-mail with how it looks sans trees).

The 4th pic is a zoom shot off tee of 13.  There were isolated trees removed from left and right native grass/fescue roughs.  The bunkers in eschlon are again typical at Lawsonia.  The 5th and 6th pics are of the 17th green and backing up of the 17 tee ball.  I love the tee shot through what I call the aligator eye bunkers. The 7th shot is a very zoomed in pic from native grass wide of 17th green and shows the second shot lay-up area on the closing par 5 18th.  The last pic is infront of that far right gullwing protecting the far right lay-up. Again you can see the diagonal bunker placement there.  

The restoration plan only has two minor fairway bunkers not as dramatic as those depicted that are now grass depressions with a minor gullwing mound if I remember right.  

I believe the greens on 2,5,9,11,16,17,18 may be brought out another foot or two in some places.  But really nothing dramatic, and not changes to the green's skylines, or contouring.  You have to see the the split-level drop from one story high right to the lower left rear on par 3, 12 to believe it.  :o

I love Jim's description of birthday cake greensites.  Actually the sites of 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10back, 14, 17 18 are very steep on one or more sides giving illusion to a birthday cake.  He doesn't really show their high rise cake appearance here in these pictures too much.  

Some forward ladies tees were also being contemplated to be moved.  All in all, the trees were the guts of the restoration, and I doubt most yearly visitors would detect the rest.
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