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Peter Pallotta

The routing for the Dormie Club looks like it features mostly fairly short green-to-next-tee walks, but also a few longer walks (presumably to better get to the golf hole that C&C first envisioned while routing). I was thinking of some of the oldest of courses -- created in a time when having the next tee literally steps away from the previous green was almost a given -- and I wondered if back then that practice of having very short green-to-next-tee walks ever meant that potentially ideal green sites were ignored (i.e. not used/not actually made into greens). Also, I'm wondering if, today, there are any compelling reasons not to use a potentially ideal green site in the name of gaining some other positive elsewhere.

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Peter
« Last Edit: August 05, 2010, 03:26:09 PM by PPallotta »

JESII

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I'll bet you a beer TEP references the method of repairing a fence post on this thread...


To your question, I read somewhere (maybe one of Flynn's essays) that you site the green and then place the rest of the hole...this would seem to preclude intentionally passing on a really good greensite.

Adrian_Stiff

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Peter - I think most designs kinda wrestle between options that do have give up A to get B. sometimes A was better than B but the B solution allowed better Cs, Ds and Es if that makes sense. We need 18 holes and its a case of getting the best 18, so there may be some sacrifice on individual holes, that I suppose must translate to a situation where you would ignore a great green site in order to gain something better. Equally that great green site might but at the wrong distance, but could (with modern machinery) be replicated say 60 yards further on.  Its not always possible though.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Short answer - Yes

There's too many variables in routing a golf course to say no.

BCrosby

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Peter -

It probably happens, but I would think an ideal green site would be the last thing an architect would give up.

Bob

John Moore II

Well, I would assume it would depend on where it fits in the routing, or potential routing. If there is a great green site "over there" but it would take 3 average or possibly below average holes to get you back into a decent routing, then that great site might be skipped. Although the entire routing could be changed if possible.

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