[Chris Buie]

[Willie_Dow]

Where is the lake and the open field area used for parking during the Open ?

Just to get my overall bearings here !

[Chris Buie]

Willie, I think they parked just south of where the course is.  Maybe 400 yards.  The big lake is just above the 8th hole.

[Thomas Patterson]

Very cool..thank you for sharing!  There doesn't seem to be too much information out there about The Dormie Club

[Garland Bayley]

A lot of left turns.

Sometimes that is the way the cookie crumbles (or the terrain rolls). Said the lefty with a fade.

[Scott_Burroughs]

A lot of left turns.

The owner's a big NASCAR fan.

[Jay Kirkpatrick]

is that green circle next to the number 15 a pond or a turf farm?

[Mike Nuzzo]

A lot of left turns.

Sometimes that is the way the cookie crumbles (or the terrain rolls). Said the lefty with a fade.

Garland it looks like a rather large property to me
Jay it is the irrigation pond - they like them hidden

[Ben Stephens]

A lot of left turns.

Kelly,

Well spotted - there is always a saying that the best golfers are able to draw the ball.

Augusta has a lot of dogleg left holes (Lee Trevino's only real flaw was that he could not draw the ball very well - he was great in every other department of the game)

Looks like Ben Crenshaw is trying to emulate Augusta is some ways

Look forward to more ground level images of the Dormie Club.

Cheers
Ben

[Jaeger Kovich]

2 things about the photo...

1. 1 Tee, 3 Green and 18 Green are all at a high spot on the property.

2. Notice the split fairway par-5 18th.

[Tom_Doak]

A lot of left turns.

Both Bill and Ben hit a bit of a draw, so that is not too surprising.  I've often thought I saw that bias in their work, but, everybody has one.

I was surprised by the recent criticism of all the dogleg-left holes at Ballyneal, since I used to fight a bias toward doglegs to the right.  [Think 1, 2, 3 at High Pointe.]

[Jeff Dawson]

While I am not involved with Dormie and left the project nearly 2 years ago, I can comment on the routing as I was there to watch Bill Coore and company work. The routing was done primarily by Bill Coore with assistance from Dave Axland and Crenshaw played a role as well.  Because the original concept was for a walking only course, the connectivity was difficult.  The size of the property and the wetlands made piecing the routing a challenge.  It was Axland that found the missing link (11th hole) for the routing to come together. Coore may be the greatest router in the business today.   They did build all 18 holes but were not able to complete the detail work.

The green circle next to 15 is a man made retention pond and is not seen from the course.
18 is a par 4 not a par 5.
There was no discussion about Augusta during the routing.  There was discussion about Sunningdale, Pine Valley circa 1930 and Oakmont

[JC Jones]

Interesting stuff, Jeff, thanks.  I wonder if it will still be advertised as Coore/Crenshaw if they did not finish the project.

I also wonder, if I had designed the course, whether I would have done some things differently.

[George Freeman]

2. Notice the split fairway par-5 18th.

I'm not seeing this...?

[George Freeman]

A lot of left turns.

Both Bill and Ben hit a bit of a draw, so that is not too surprising.  I've often thought I saw that bias in their work, but, everybody has one.

I was surprised by the recent criticism of all the dogleg-left holes at Ballyneal, since I used to fight a bias toward doglegs to the right.  [Think 1, 2, 3 at High Pointe.]

Tom,

I don't suppose you would tell us a few biases you tend to find yourself doing over and over?  I'm not sure I've played enough of your courses to pick up on any one thing (not even your aforementioned propensity for left to right holes)...

[Bill Brightly]

I count 11 right-to-left holes, 3 left-to-right and 4 par threes. Forgetting that I fade the ball...isn't 11 to 3 a very bad balance and a big negative to the routing?

[Scott Warren]

Looks really spacious and idyllic.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithrhebb/sets/72157619676878960/

[Thomas Patterson]

Those waste areas look great!  Looks like you could end up with some crazy lies! I like the little ripples in the fairways too...looks absolutely gorgeous! 

[BCrosby]

The course looks terrific.

What kind of long grass are the using on the bunker edges?

Bob

[Ronald Montesano]

3, 9, 12, 16 are par three holes.

1, 2, 4, 8, 11, 14, 17 are massive doglegs left that don't appear to allow the left-to-right play off the tee.

Can't tell what's going on on 13...dogleg left, but looks open enough to accommodate both shots.

10 and 18, while moving leftward, appear wide-open enough off tee to allow lateral movement both ways.

5 and 6 seem essentially straight.

7, 11 and 15 are moving left to right...

By my count, the left-to-right tee shot can be played on 7 or 8 driving holes, while the right-to-left tee shot can be played on 11 or 12 driving holes.  The imbalance just moved a bit closer to balance.

[Jerry Kluger]

I remember Lee Trevino complaining of the right to left bias at ANGC yet Nicklaus liked to play left to right and won a few and Fred Couples won one. 

[Steve Kline]

Those waste areas look great!  Looks like you could end up with some crazy lies! I like the little ripples in the fairways too...looks absolutely gorgeous! 

I'm pretty sure this is why Pinehurst brought in C&C for #2. They want that same look.

[PCCraig]

Interestingly, while the course was routed and started by Coore Crenshaw it was not completed by them.

Whose the designer of record now???

 

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[Jeff Dawson]

3, 9, 12, 16 are par three holes.

1, 2, 4, 8, 11, 14, 17 are massive doglegs left that don't appear to allow the left-to-right play off the tee.

Can't tell what's going on on 13...dogleg left, but looks open enough to accommodate both shots.

10 and 18, while moving leftward, appear wide-open enough off tee to allow lateral movement both ways.

5 and 6 seem essentially straight.

7, 11 and 15 are moving left to right...

By my count, the left-to-right tee shot can be played on 7 or 8 driving holes, while the right-to-left tee shot can be played on 11 or 12 driving holes.  The imbalance just moved a bit closer to balance.

Hole 3 is a par four not a par three.  Hole 7 is not a left to right par four, it is in fact a downhill par 3.

The architect of record is Coore Crenshaw.  

Since the thread is about routing I will add that it is interesting to see Coore work.  He uses no technology, no gps, no cad, just a simple topo map.  He spends countless hours and days simply walking the property making notes on his map.  He marks the ground with whatever he can find and it is typical for him to mark a tee box or green with a stick or beer can (empty beer can btw).  Eventually he starts to ribbon trees.  When he finished the routing at Dormie he showed me his map (only copy btw) and I asked what any person would ask....What is the par and what is the length?....Coore did not have an answer for either of those questions.  He looked at the routing and counted the shots to conclude it was a par 71.  His only comment on the length was "it is what it is."  He was more concerned about what shots were on the course than the length.  When I asked for a copy of the routing he stopped by my house and used my daughters magic markers to color in a hand drawn routing.  His collaboration with Crenshaw is very interesting and you can see how much respect they both have for each other.  

[Ronald Montesano]

That's a wash, though...3 accepts both shots, while 7 becomes a par three.

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