Tom-I knew that Raynor did not work with Macdonald at Chicago originally. I was fairly sure he worked on every other course, but when I looked it up on worldgolf.com it did not list Raynor on all of his courses, which I knew was wrong in most of the cases where he was not listed. However, my first post still stands, given a total volume, they didn't work together all that often. Certainly as a percentage, they worked together most all the time, but as a gross total, 11 times is not a huge volume, especially given Raynor's later volume of work. The comment made on the radio was ignorant to those in the know, like most here, but the general public would say "oh, they worked together 11 times, thats not all that often." I did not realize that CBM only designed 12 courses, with only 11 still existing today until I looked to see where an open-to-the-public CBM course could be found; The Old White is the only on.