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Jerry Kluger

Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« on: July 20, 2010, 09:31:24 AM »
I was just looking at golfwrx.com and they had some really good photos of St. George's.  Ran did a profile a while back but there were more photos on this other site and the course appeared to be an outstanding parkland venue.  Interestingly the course has 5 par 3s which is unusual for a pro tourney and they say they are running the greens at 11 which to me would mean that the greens have some significant contours.  What do you guys know about the course? Do you think it will be worthwhile viewing it on TV? (Please, no speeches about how boring golf is to watch on TV)

Greg McMullin


Jeff_Mingay

Re: Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2010, 10:23:48 AM »
Jerry,

St. George's is arguably Canada's best golf course. It's one of Stanley Thompson's "Big Five" - which all feature 5 par-3s, by the way: Capilano, Jasper, Banff, Cape Breton Highlands Links, and St. George's.

Golf architecture enthusaists should definitely tune-in this weekend.

I can't say the greens at St. George's feature "significant contours", but many greens feature a lot of slope. (I don't know how they'll find a hole location at the third with the greens running "PGA Tour fast".)
jeffmingay.com

Jerry Kluger

Re: Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2010, 10:34:58 AM »
Jeff: The course did appear to have significant strategy and not simply blast away and then go for it.  I saw one hole where there was a hill on the right side of the fairway and if you drove the ball over the hill and into the rough there were bunkers on the downslope as well - this is at least what it appeared to be and I have never seen that before. 

Dan Herrmann

Re: Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2010, 10:53:34 AM »

Greg McMullin


Sean Leary

Re: Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2010, 11:40:16 AM »
Is this the first Canadian Open held there?

Greg McMullin

Re: Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2010, 11:48:56 AM »
The history books might be the best place to look for a hint of what's to come during this week's Canadian Open.

With the tournament returning to St. George's Golf and Country Club for the first time since 1968, there's a little bit of mystery heading into the 101st playing of Canada's national championship.

Bob Charles was the last man to lift the trophy on the Stanley Thompson layout in west Toronto. He waged a head-to-head battle with Jack Nicklaus during the final round, pulling out a two-stroke victory over the Golden Bear despite routinely being outdriven by 30 yards or more.

Putting ended up being the difference in the tournament.

"He just flat beat me," Nicklaus said after one of his seven runner-up finishes in Canada. "Every putt he makes looks like it's going to go in. He putts considerably better than anyone else on the tour."

A look back at that event offers two good omens for Canada's Mike Weir. He's a lefty like Charles, and he's currently ranked second on the PGA Tour in putts per round.

Weir has also had the chance to play St. George's over the years — an experience many in the field won't have.

The players started arriving to the course Monday and will familiarize themselves with its layout as much as possible before Thursday's opening round. Having some of the world's best golfers back on the property was a welcome sight for those associated with the club.

"We're very excited about this," said Joe Murphy, the GM and CEO at St. George's. "We're just elated with what's happening. We haven't had it here since 1968 — it's a generation or so. It's a much different tournament than it was back then."

Forty-two years ago, Charles received a winner's cheque of $25,000 from the purse of $125,000. This year's champion will claim $918,000 of the $5.1 million on offer.

And there were certainly no fitness trailers, corporate hospitality areas or skyboxes to be found in 1968.

One of the main reasons the Canadian Open has been away so long is because of the logistics involved with staging it on a small parcel of land in the country's largest city. When the decision was made to stop holding the event at Glen Abbey each year, Golf Canada started working on plans to bring it back to St. George's.

It's been a long time coming.

"We knew going into it that there were going to be challenges," said tournament director Bill Paul. "As I've said many times, with challenges come opportunities. I think the way it's all shaping up, it'll be pretty neat just to have a final putt there on Sunday.

"I never thought, just like a lot of people, that it would happen."

One thing that hasn't changed too much since the Open was last played at St. George's is the course itself.

The par-70 layout will play at 7,046 yards this week — just 74 more yards than 1968 — and looks similar to what golfers would have faced back then. Mature trees line the sloping fairways while undulating greens demand precise iron shots.

Calgary's Stephen Ames has long considered it one of the best courses in the country and is looking forward to seeing how it holds up this week.

"I've played a lot there," said Ames. "It's an old-style, tree-lined course. If they get it firm and fast, it could be really nice and tricky.

"If those greens get any kind of speed, I think it will be a nice test. A really good test."

The positive buzz about the course helped Paul attract a stronger field than in years past. Eleven of the top-30 in the tour's FedExCup Standings have entered, including Paul Casey, Retief Goosen, Tim Clark, Camilo Villegas, Hunter Mahan and Luke Donald.

Only eight of the top-30 participated last year.

Ames is confident the players will have a better experience at this Canadian Open than others in recent years.

"I think they'll really enjoy it," he said. "It'll be a change from Glen Abbey, let's put it that way."



Dan Herrmann

Re: Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2010, 12:04:43 PM »
"It'll be a change from Glen Abbey, let's put it that way."  I'm assuming that's a good thing?  ;)

By the way, is Stanley Thompson the most underrated architect of the Golden Age?



Greg McMullin

Re: Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2010, 12:53:27 PM »
the google aerial link doesn't seem to take you directly to the course. Here is a picture

Jeff_Mingay

Re: Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2010, 12:59:42 PM »
Dan,

Perhaps Thompson may seem "underrated" to some who reside outside Canada; but, here, he's far from "underrated"... his work is very, very much recognized and appreciated these days. And, rightfully so.
jeffmingay.com

Harris Nepon

Re: Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2010, 01:52:43 PM »
I was fortunate enough to play St. George’s a few years ago.

I found the course challenging, yet enjoyable to play. There are minor elevation changes throughout the course considering it sin the middle of a major city. The 3rd par 3 will be a nightmare for some players. The par 4 4th (normally par 5) will be a great long par 4. You have to hit a perfect drive to have a shot at the uphill and left green. 17 and 18 are fantastic finishing holes.

The greens are flawless. The bunkers are perfect. St. Georges deserves to be rated among the Top 3 in Canada every year as it is.

I'm sure the pro's will thoroughly enjoy the course and it will look great in HD on TV.

Wayne_Kozun

Re: Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2010, 01:57:38 PM »
The course was built in 1929 by the Candian Pacific Railway and was affiliated with the Royal York Hotel and was known as the Royal York Golf Club in its early days before it converted to a private club in 1946 when the name was changed.  Stanley Thompson also built other golf course for CP - Banff Springs being the most famous.

This is the fifth Canadian Open at the club - the previous events being in 33, 49, 60 & 68.

One interesting tidbit on St. Georges is that the clubhouse is on the west side of Islington Ave. while the course is on the east side.  When the course was built the east side of Islington was dry so it wouldn't make sense to put the clubhouse there!

Ian Andrew did a renovation job at the club around a decade ago when he was still working for Doug Carrick.  The bunkers were restored to much more of an original flavour.

Here is a photo of one of the holes that still looks quite similar.

Jerry Kluger

Re: Canadian Open - Stanley Thompson's St George's G & CC
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2010, 02:00:36 PM »
As I noted above, if you go to golfwrx.com you can find some photos from this week and the course looks really good.

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