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Ran Morrissett

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Feature Interview with Dan Wexler now posted
« on: July 08, 2010, 02:21:25 PM »
A book emerges on private clubs in the United States at a time when we are all poorer (or at least feel poorer). Ironically, it's timing couldn't be better as more and more clubs in the United States are adopting some version of the UK private club model where visitors from well away can gain access at certain times to such golfing bastions as County Down and Brancaster.
 
Thus, contact information and thoughts on various private clubs becomes important for areas where travel may be taking you. However, it's only important if you care about the person's perspective who is writing the reviews. In this case, that man is Dan Wexler. Though he has yet to win a Pulitzer for Literature, he has won the prestigious  ;) GolfClubAtlas.com Book of the Year Award in 2000 for Missing Links. A pro's pro and a long time friend of this site, he is known around the world and it is no wonder that Mark Rowlinson handpicked him to write the majority of the profiles in the 2008 update for The World Atlas of Golf.
 
Dan's just released book entitled The American Private Golf Club Guide is like Johnny Cash: It comes dressed in an all black cover and what you are after are the words. There aren't any snazzy photographs or drawings of the sort that you find in most other golf books as a way to mask weak writing. Dan's economical prose carries a punch and importantly, it is current. Be it on the California Golf Club of San Francisco, Sleepy Hollow or LA North, he brings an up to the minute perspective on courses on the rise due to intelligent work as well as other courses that are regrettably sliding further off the radar.
 
The book is self-published and additional information can be found at www.danielwexler.com (where a list of profiled clubs and some sample text is posted) and, of course, at Amazon.com. For those writers out there, there is much to be learned in how Dan has gone about the writing/publishing process.
 
Hope you enjoy this month's Feature Interview.

Cheers,

Peter Pallotta

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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 02:31:30 PM »
Thanks, Ran - I look forward to that interview. Just to say: from what I've read of Dan's writing, he deserves all the good things he gets.  He writes simply and well and with insight.  And, while I'm sure there is much to be learned from Dan on how he's gone about publishing his work, what Dan can't teach the rest of us is how to write so well!  (Also, he clearly has an instinct for the marketable idea: a book right now on the great private clubs is perfect).

Btw - you're no slouch yourself, big guy!

Peter

PCCraig

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2010, 03:03:55 PM »
I would love to purchase a copy, and if I can, purchase a signed copy from Dan himself. Dan, would that be possible??

Also looking forward to the "Resort" and "Public" guides.
H.P.S.

hick

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 07:23:22 PM »
just purchased one on Amazon.

Daniel_Wexler

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Re: Feature Interview with Dan Wexler now posted
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2010, 02:53:01 AM »
Thanks for all the kind words - and let me also point out that the great Mark Rowlinson did indeed tap Ran for a MAJOR contribution to the World Atlas of Golf as well (Mark, obviously, being a man of real taste).

As far as acquiring copies directly from me goes, I am presently limited by contractual and tax issues to directly selling copies only to commercial retailers.  I'm currently looking into possible ways around this, however, and may come up with something shortly.  If this is a priority for you, email me directly (midd23@aol.com) and I'll let you know fairly soon if it's workable or not.

Many thanks for the interest!

DW

George Pazin

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Re: Feature Interview with Dan Wexler now posted
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2010, 12:34:51 PM »
Thanks, Daniel, your book will be on my next Amazon purchase.

I do miss you posting on here, don't be a stranger.
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Phil_the_Author

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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 05:27:42 PM »
To make you all jealous, mine just arrived in the mail... signed...  ;D

It's everything that one would expect, hope for and even a bit more!

Great job Daniel...

Daniel_Wexler

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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2010, 07:14:49 AM »
Thanks Phil.  In many ways, I'm more proud of this than anything I've ever done (certainly in terms of the amount of information included, if nothing else).

Anyway, Amazon now has the Look Inside feature up and going, so rather than just reading some unadorned sample text on my website, people can get a look at all of that info, and how it is arranged.  I'm not sure that this was really touched upon in the interview (which was done just prior to the book's release) but for all the writers out there, Createspace has thus far been a very solid partner in this undertaking...

DW

Tom MacWood

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Re: Feature Interview with Dan Wexler now posted
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2010, 10:31:41 PM »
Daniel
Was there any particular book or books that inspired you to write this book.

Daniel_Wexler

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Re: Feature Interview with Dan Wexler now posted
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2010, 05:58:52 AM »
Hi Tom.

Truthfully, no.  If anything, it was the complete lack of guidebooks for private clubs that sparked the idea.  As mentioned in the interview, the great majority of our best courses are private, meaning that despite so many guidebooks having been produced over the years, none covered the vast majority of the 1,000 clubs profiled herein. 

Looking at it a different way, you might say that my source of inspiration was the plethora of superficial guidebooks that exist out there - all done for public and resort layouts, and generally either A) Giving little more than name, rank and serial number, or B) Having descriptive text that basically regurgitates whatever PR material each facility provides.  [We won't even get into those that barely understand the game - "This fine course pars at 71," etc.].  So I went with the idea of providing far more specifics about layouts, history, architects, etc., all with the goal of being candid but not opinionated (a bit of a tightrope on occasion).

I know a lot of people (particularly on GCA) will draw an instant parallel to Tom Doak's legendary Confidential Guide but as we touch on in the interview, they really are very different books altogether.

DW

John Shimp

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Re: Feature Interview with Dan Wexler now posted
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2010, 05:06:21 PM »
I reviewed the book to the extent I could on Amazon.  I really like the simplicity of the way the book is setup. 

It must have been tough deciding what to include and not to include.  Also, to drift into ratings just a tiny bit, it must have been really tough on some of the better courses to draw the line between a 3 1/2 star course and some of the 4 star courses.  Definetely quite a task Dan completed overall.

Daniel_Wexler

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Re: Feature Interview with Dan Wexler now posted
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2010, 08:47:34 PM »
John:

Thanks for the kind words.  I was absolutely striving for a clean, simple look and an easy-to-use format, so I'm very glad it comes across that way.

Ratings-wise, there was the occasional close call, of course, but I tried hard to develop a set of criteria which both removed my opinion from play to greatest degree possible while also creating clear, definable differences between rating levels (e.g. internationally prominent vs. nationally prominent vs. regionally prominent).  Ironically, the "quality" of the course itself was probably the easiest part because that was basically just a consensus of published rankings and several highly educated opinions not my own.  Determining levels of "prestige" and "historical importance," however, was a tad more subjective....

Overall, I'm pretty comfortable that readers will find it about as objective as can be reasonably be hoped for given the medium...but you never know. :)

DW

Jason Topp

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Re: Feature Interview with Dan Wexler now posted
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 11:04:32 AM »
I just got the book and looked at the reviews of about 20 clubs I have visited.  The detail is quite accurate and even handed.  I was impressed with the individual holes identified in the reviews given the scope of the book.     The ratings also look to be a pretty accurate reflection of the local acclaim in which individual clubs are held. 

The book is reminicent of the Confidential Guide although much more polite.

Daniel_Wexler

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Re: Feature Interview with Dan Wexler now posted
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2010, 12:04:11 PM »
I was always taught that politeness counts... :)

DW

Bill Spence

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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2010, 07:41:42 PM »
Received my copy last week and have just started digging into it.  Really enjoyed the reviews that I've read so far.  Quite a task to put something like this together I'm sure.  Will be a great reference source.  Congrats Dan.

Daniel_Wexler

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Re: Feature Interview with Dan Wexler now posted
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2010, 08:44:58 PM »
Thanks Bill.

As you can equally guess, it was also a lot of fun.  The really challenging parts were in the mechanics - laying it out, choosing fonts and formatting, editing, etc.  That all made the writing seem easy by comparison.  :)

It is, as you suggest, intended as strong reference material - as will be its sister volumes to follow - but hopefully people will also find it a reasonably entertaining read.

DW

Jud_T

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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2010, 08:45:08 AM »
Having had the book for a week now I can tell you it's quite interesting looking up courses played/to play and finding not only interesting commentary but some history I wasn't aware of as well.
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Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Daniel_Wexler

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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2010, 04:15:16 AM »
Thanks Jud.

Nice to hear you say that because it's been my experience that many older clubs have historical elements (often tournament-based) that, if not Major championship or famous architect oriented, tend to be under-reported.  I've always figured that it's interesting to know that Walter Hagen won at a given place in 1924, or whatever, so I definitely tried to weave those things in wherever I could.

DW

Anthony Fowler

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Re: Feature Interview with Dan Wexler now posted
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2010, 11:22:59 PM »
Mr. Wexler,

Thank you for the book.  I have had it in hand for a few days and I have enjoyed reading through it.  My fiancee and I have also had a lot of fun reading the descriptions to each other to see if we can guess the course. 

I applaud you for taking on such an ambitious project.  Anytime you rate 1000 courses publicly, you're going to get some criticism.  With that being said, my primary critique is that the collectability rating is generally uninformative.  The rating is out of 5.  There are 8 5's, 16 4.5's, about 80 4's, a ton of 3.5's and 3's, and very few 2.5's and 2's.  Obviously the vast majority of courses are 3.5's and 3's and there is little room to differentiate between the great, good, and mediocre.  Can you explain more about your choice of scale?  Did you consider a larger scale that would allow you to differentiate the middle courses better?

Lastly, it seems to me that the courses that happened to get bad ratings of 2.5 and 2 are somewhat idiosyncratic.  Obviously, you thought they were worthy of inclusion, so you don't think they suck, but there is little justification for their poor ratings in the write-up.  Can you comment further on this?  Thanks.
 

Daniel_Wexler

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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2010, 04:17:43 AM »
Greetings Anthony.

Okay, second question first.  As mentioned in the interview, the primary criterion for selection was the 1,000 clubs that might be most interesting to potential visitors, not any sort of "1,000 best."  In that context, there are a fair number of courses that acquisitive golfers may be curious about - often due to tournament or architectural histories - that I thus deemed worthy of inclusion even if they're not among the game's architectural greats (hence the 2s and 2.5s).  It's true, of course, that with so many strong courses to choose from, I didn't select many on history alone, thus the absence of 1s and 1.5s.  This may seem odd strictly within the context of this volume, but will make more big-picture sense after the resort book (which covers virtually every U.S. resort and thus has plenty of low numbers) comes out.

So far as the five diamond scale goes, the purpose was to create some sort of relative measuring device that was not about my personal opinion (which few people would - or should - care about anyway) - a rating that measures, in effect, how prestigious a feather in one's golfing cap the playing of a particular layout may be.  It is inevitable, I suppose, that many readers will continue to see any sort of numerical rating as being representative strictly of design quality even though the introduction pretty clearly states otherwise; I suspect this is something that we're all semi-conditioned to.  But the example I generally offer is Champions, whose courses would hold little playing appeal to me and do not, in my personal view, represent any sort of great design.  But with Jack Burke and Jimmy Demaret, and a U.S. Open, and several Tour Championships, and Ben Hogan's final PGA Tour round, etc., and with the unique cachet that the club holds in Houston, Champions remains a very prestigious place to play (even if only to meet Jackie Burke).  Thus it gets four diamonds - though clearly not because its courses rate among the genuine elite.

Having said all of that, quality of design is the primary component in the prestige associated with many clubs, and that's fine; indeed, I factored it in heavily - but based upon published rankings and commentaries (whether I agree with them or not) and the privately expressed opinions of several learned people whose opinions I trust.  Therefore, if you view the ratings in what might be called a "prestige" sense, they'll generally make sense (or so the great majority of my early feedback suggests).  If, however, one ignores the introductory explanation and instead interprets them as a quality rating (e.g., an alternative to Tom Doak's 1-10 scale), then a fair number of entries probably won't make sense, because that's not what the rating is designed to be about.

Final point: Though participants (and readers) on this website represent an audience for whom a book like this figures to hold obvious interest, they're not, in many ways, who the book (and its sisters) is really written for.  GCA types tend to be well-traveled and a bit more knowledgeable than the "average" golfer - enough so, in fact, that a book like this may only hold entertainment value (one hopes...) for a great many of them.  But there are several million less knowledgeable/experienced golfers out there with the potential to access some of these clubs (and many millions who can play the resort and public courses) and the value of these books will, I suspect, be considerably higher for them.

But we'll see.  :)

DW

 
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Sean_A

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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2010, 11:02:40 AM »
Daniel

The book does look interesting and sort of reminds me of the Peugeot Golf Guide.  I had a look on Amazon and the book is only in paperback.  Is/will there be a hardback edition? 

More of a personal question, considering the low rating, what were the factors which influenced you to include Grosse Ile (Michigan) in the book?

Ciao 
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Daniel_Wexler

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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2010, 02:38:38 PM »
Hi Sean.

For the foreseeable future the book will be paperback-only for several reasons.  The biggest is that Createspace (Amazon's print-on-demand division) does not do hardcover - at least for the present.  But even if/when that changes, I'm not certain we'd do a hardcover addition, partially because paperback tends to facilitate ease of usage/portability for a guidebook, but also because hardcover would likely require some re-sizing of the book's dimensions - and that would mean A LOT of new layout work.  If, however, it were to be convertible with this exact layout, then it would be a breeze and a hardcover edition would become immediately available (I think).  I'm not aware of Createspace having any imminent plans to offer hardcover...but like most everything in this rapidly changing publishing world, that could change tomorrow.

So far as Grosse Ile goes, you've hit hit on one of those clubs that were sitting just atop the in-or-out fence as the list was paired down to 1,000.  I can't recall what additional thoughts I had at the time re: Grosse Ile specifically but in general, courses built by big-name designers (both classic and modern) located in major golfing markets tended to have an edge based simply on their being of high potential interest to the largest number of readers.  As mentioned in the interview, the pairing down to 1,000 proved a bit easier than I'd anticipated - but I'd guess that there are at least 50 courses that knowledgeable folks like yourself might rightly suggest are worthy of inclusion that didn't make it, and visa versa.  Any way you look at it, it goes with the territory... :)

DW 

Sean_A

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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2010, 05:04:08 AM »
Hi Sean.

For the foreseeable future the book will be paperback-only for several reasons.  The biggest is that Createspace (Amazon's print-on-demand division) does not do hardcover - at least for the present.  But even if/when that changes, I'm not certain we'd do a hardcover addition, partially because paperback tends to facilitate ease of usage/portability for a guidebook, but also because hardcover would likely require some re-sizing of the book's dimensions - and that would mean A LOT of new layout work.  If, however, it were to be convertible with this exact layout, then it would be a breeze and a hardcover edition would become immediately available (I think).  I'm not aware of Createspace having any imminent plans to offer hardcover...but like most everything in this rapidly changing publishing world, that could change tomorrow.

So far as Grosse Ile goes, you've hit hit on one of those clubs that were sitting just atop the in-or-out fence as the list was paired down to 1,000.  I can't recall what additional thoughts I had at the time re: Grosse Ile specifically but in general, courses built by big-name designers (both classic and modern) located in major golfing markets tended to have an edge based simply on their being of high potential interest to the largest number of readers.  As mentioned in the interview, the pairing down to 1,000 proved a bit easier than I'd anticipated - but I'd guess that there are at least 50 courses that knowledgeable folks like yourself might rightly suggest are worthy of inclusion that didn't make it, and visa versa.  Any way you look at it, it goes with the territory... :)

DW  

Thank you Daniel.  I guess I was a bit surprised to see Grosse Ile on the list as I have never seen the course on any list except wingnut's lists on this site.  I am also surprised you bothered to go below 3 diamonds, but then you may not have had an easily marketable number like 1000 if you didn't (and remained honest about the project).  That said, do you you think a book titled "The Best 761..." would work?  Much like when a restaurant bill consists of nice, round, even numbers, I am a bit suspicious of The Best, 500, 1000, 100 etc because in real life things aren't so clear cut.  In any case, I am pleased Grosse Ile was included because I think it one of the better courses around Detroit.  There is a bit of history as the club hosted the Western Am won by Ric Massengale (remember him?) in 1968 - just when Point O Woods was reving up to take over for the next 40 years.  The club also hosted a Michigan Am in 2004 which was won by member Jeff Cuzzort.  

Are you currently working on the follow-up books?  If so, how far along are you?

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Chris Shaida

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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2010, 05:42:40 AM »
How about a kindle version? (although I just ordered the paper version, would be handy to have a kindle version when traveling)

Daniel_Wexler

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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2010, 02:09:09 PM »
Sean:

The resorts book is probably about 2/3 complete at this point, with the plan being to have it out before holiday season.  The public course book then follows, hopefully to be out by next summer.  So far as courses below three diamonds go, the goal here was to profile the courses that might be of greatest potential interest to travelers, and I approached that not from the perspective of listing the ones that I think they should find interesting, but rather in terms of places a reader may have heard of over the years for any number of reasons.  "Quality," of course, is one of the biggest, but tournament history, the pedigree of its designer or a particular prominence in its region (which is often based, unfortunately, on little more than social prestige) were also big factors.  Hence the occasional 2 or 2.5 - courses included because a reasonable number of folks are likely to be curious about them, even if they're not really anything special.  [Aside: The resort book is aimed to be comprehensive, from coast to coast, so there will be LOTS of scores below 3 diamonds in there...]

Chris:

No Kindle plans at present, for several (mostly business and logistical) reasons, but as with everything associated with this new method of publishing, that's an issue which will be revisited from time to time...

DW

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