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Drives on 18 at Olympia Fields
Chris Pike:
The drives on 18 were ridiculous! I noticed that Jonathan Byrd (294.7) hit his drive 380+ yards ??? His ball literally bounced and rolled 80+ yards. I think the USGA/PGA has really lost touch as far as tightly shaved fairways go. They've spent so much time distracted by testing drivers that they forget to let the fairway grow a little bit. The only true technology that's hurting the game can be found in the John Deere factory ;D
Patrick_Mucci:
cdpike,
I thought that this website advocated fast and firm conditions. Shouldn't you applaud the USGA and Olympia Fields for achieving these results ?
I've been away for a while, attending the TEPaul Shorthand School, classes are usually reserved for stenographers and court reporters, but I got in as a special exception because I know Wayne Morrisson.
Maybe there's been a change in PHILOSOPHY in my abscence.
Are you advocating softer, slower conditions ?
Martin Del Vecchio:
For the PGA Tour, at least, the argument I have heard in favor of fast, firm fairways goes like this: soggy fairways favor the long hitter, since their drives land and stop quickly, and are less likely to roll into the rough.
It seems to me that, at least in terms of soft vs. firm fairways, straight holes favor the longer hitters more, while doglegs favor the longer hitters less.
Nothing favors the short hitter. I didn't say the accurate hitter; just the short hitter.
Jamie_Duffner:
Pat - I agree with you. I happen to think that if you achieve fast and firm conditions, then you risk a guy who can stripe a drive down a 25 yard wide fairway hitting it 350. I'm ok with that. At the British Open we see guys hitting 2 irons 280 due to the firm conditions and of course the wind, so it shouldn't be any different at the US Open.
Chris Pike:
I'm certainly an advocate fast and firm conditions, especially if I'm playing a course that has them. Unfortunately, I live in soggy,saturated New England where playing from the "tips" means something. I haven't gotten a decent roll after a tee shot all season! I guess I'm just jealous ;D
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