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Richard Choi

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Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« on: July 06, 2010, 03:17:18 PM »
I was out at Chambers Bay with the good doctor Hereid yesterday to check out how the course is looking for the US Amateur in August. I was a bit worried as we have had very wet spring and summer so far and feared there would be much poa infestation.

The good news is fescue looks pretty strong. There are some poa around tee boxes and rough, but the course is largely fescue, especially the greens. The greens were rolling at around 8 feet and very true (I made more 10 to 15 footers at Chambers yesterday than I have ever done before). There are some trouble greens along the east side (#12 & #13) where they have been sand dressing liberally and are quite bumpy and slow, but I suspect they will have little trouble getting the greens to run around 10 to 12 (and smooth) by US Am.

The rough is very uneven. There are spots where they are very thick and heavy. There are other spots where it is very thin and spotty, and still other spots where it is thin but mixed with taller wispy strands. I am happy with this setup as it plays more true to what the course is supposed to play. If you miss the fairway to a spot that used to be fairway, I don't think US AM players will have much touble getting to the green from that spot.

They have also opened a new driving range where targets are much more visible as they slope upwards. But it now requires a shuttle from the range to the first tee, which is unfortunate.

Here are some pictures of notable changes for US Amateur.

Hole #1: This is the view from the new back tee next to the practice green. I believe it is around 540 yards from here. They will use this tee to convert the hole to a par 5 (especially into the wind).


You can see the rough grown in between #1 and #18. This rough is very thin and wispy. Most should not have any problem hitting out of here.


Hole #2: You can see how they have narrowed the fairway, favoring the right side. I think this is a mistake as it lowers the chance that players will hit into the bunker on the left which is very nasty - especially the tall rough just in front of the rough.


Hole #4: This is a brand new green. They only allow play on 3 days of the week and unfortunately, we were not there on the day when the green is in play (and the maintenance guy was not happy that we walked on the green). You can see the new back bunkers play a prominent role.


Close up of the bunkers.


The new green is significantly larger than the old one (about 1/3 bigger) and there are new pin positions in the back of the green. The front left to back right slope has been softened. This is probably a better green for a long par 5.



Hole #5: They have shrunk the fairway about a 1/3 from the right side which kinda diminishes the hole strategy of this hole (attack the fairway on the same side as the pin). But I suspect the thin rough is not gong to scare anyone at US Am.


Hole #7: Dr. Hereid bravely demonstrating, how dangerous it is to hit in to the center mound...

Hole #11: The rough line has been moved in from the left, which actually probably minimizes the hazard mound on the left which can be really nasty if you hit into it. They have cleaned up the right side and dramatically expanded the bunker.


A closeup of the new bunker on the right. As you can see, hitting it close to the green is not necessarily ideal as the green will be hidden and angle of attack is diminished.


Hole #12: The view of the hole from the new back tee. The hole is about 305 yds from back here. I still don't think anyone is going to layup since the layup target is tiny.


Hole #15: The view from the new back tee. As you can see, you will be hitting over the group at #12. The green looks pretty tiny from back here...


Hole #17: ...but not as tiny as the green looks from the new back tee at #17. Plays over 200 yards from here. There is no way anyone is going to hold the green on the right plateau from this tee. We can have a similar situation as we did in Pebble Beach.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2010, 12:08:50 PM by Richard Choi »

Tom Yost

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2010, 04:06:25 PM »
Rich,

Great pics!   The course is looking fantastic.  I missed not getting to come up this summer because my wife's business conference was in Portland this year.

Not sure I like the narrowing of the fairways, but I guess that's what you are going to get with a USGA championship. But many still look wide open.

Where is the new range exactly?  And what happens to the old range? 


Richard Choi

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2010, 04:14:15 PM »
You missed your chance to kick my arse one more time!

The new range is located east of the amphitheater (which is located south of the 18th hole). They are planning to build a new clubhouse at the old range space.

Sean Leary

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2010, 04:17:22 PM »
. They are planning to build a new clubhouse at the old range space.

Too bad they aren't building new 8th and 9th holes... ;)

Daryl David

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2010, 08:20:12 PM »
. They are planning to build a new clubhouse at the old range space.

Too bad they aren't building new 8th and 9th holes... ;)

Amen!

Steve Lang

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2010, 10:13:13 PM »
 8) Richard,

How ABOUT THE LITTLE GREEN ON LEFT SIDE OF #5.. STILL CONSIDERING IT AS A PAR 3 OR DRIVABLE PAR 4.. or is that for #12?

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Garland Bayley

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2010, 10:28:48 PM »
8) Richard,

How ABOUT THE LITTLE GREEN ON LEFT SIDE OF #5.. STILL CONSIDERING IT AS A PAR 3 OR DRIVABLE PAR 4.. or is that for #12?



The green on the left side of #5 was put in by RTJ2 from the very beginning as an optional way to set up the course some days. There are a set of tees behind it to be used in playing #6 afterwards.
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Tim Bert

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2010, 11:21:29 PM »
Rich - The hole you've listed as #14 (new back tee) is actually #15, isn't it?  14 is the big par 4 bag down the hill across the big waste area - sort of capish hole.  I think your photo is the par 3, though you wouldn't know it from that tee!

Richard Choi

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 12:09:10 PM »
You are correct Tim, my mistake. Fixed!

Tom Johnston

Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2010, 01:42:26 PM »
Great post, Thanks!

Steve Lang

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2010, 11:47:12 PM »
 8) though playing the lower green on #4, and going to look at the upper green before teeing off on #5,   I just keep thinking that #4 upper green is problematic.. 

the assistant at the desk said they had trouble holding shots up there, which lead to the expanded area and less sloped green..  will be interesting to see how the am's take to it..

its sort of a shame that those rear bunkers are there interupting the entire backstop slope that mere mortal player's could use..
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Tim Gavrich

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2010, 12:01:09 AM »
Am I the only one for whom the pictures aren't showing up?  So lame.
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Sean Leary

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2010, 12:17:55 AM »
Am I the only one for whom the pictures aren't showing up?  So lame.

Nope. Me too...

Richard Choi

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2010, 12:29:04 PM »

Scott Weersing

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2010, 11:56:51 AM »
I hope they mow the rough back to fairway height between no. 1 and no. 18. I liked the fact that if you pulled your opening tee shot, the ball would roll forever down the hill.

I wonder what other modifications they will have to make to the course in preparation for the US Open.

Steve Lang

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Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2010, 01:47:40 PM »
 8) isn't that why they're having the am there?  to see how they beat it up or not?
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Mike Demetriou

Re: Chambers Bay setup for US Amateur
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2010, 02:56:21 PM »
Word around the "Bourbon Table" at the Yucca was that Chambers Bay is a Doak 5...

[I can hear Choi screaming out loud right now as he's reading this!]