[Tom Huckaby]

shivas:

You need to play this hole again.  You're getting fooled as Sean says he was.  There's also nothing but one big fairway, straight out.. there is no left or right landing area... and the fairway is very wide.  Check the diagram, it's close enough:

http://www.pasatiempo.com/web/golfinfo_tour.php?Hole=11

You need to get that drive as far up the hill as you can, because it's so damn uphill you want to shorten that 2nd shot as much as you can.  Oh sure favor the left... but the key is if you hit less than all you have, you're gonna regret not being those extra 20-30 yards up, every time.

TH

[Sean Leary]

shivas:

You need to play this hole again.  You're getting fooled as Sean says he was.  There's also nothing but one big fairway, straight out.. there is no left or right landing area... and the fairway is very wide.  Check the diagram, it's close enough:

http://www.pasatiempo.com/web/golfinfo_tour.php?Hole=11

You need to get that drive as far up the hill as you can, because it's so damn uphill you want to shorten that 2nd shot as much as you can.  Oh sure favor the left... but the key is if you hit less than all you have, you're gonna regret not being those extra 20-30 yards up, every time.

TH

If you hug the left side it definitely makes it shorter and if you are that accurate, then 3 wood is perfect. I would rather hit driver and if it hugs the left side, perfect, if it is center or right I have the shorter club in. Also, I have been known to slightly mishit both cubs, and a mishit 3 wood leaves a loooong way coming home.

[Tom Huckaby]

Precisely, Sean.

I have just found that those who try to hug the left side with a shorter club inevitably regret it, either because they hit it in the hazard left, or find the rough left (which is pretty thick)... and even if they find the fairway, also regret not being farther up.

In any case, it's tough to say this hole "takes the driver out of your hand"... sure you CAN choose to hit less than driver... but the choice sure as hell is there, even if you think it's not the best one (and you'd be wrong about that).

 

[JR Potts]

 

Pine Valley must have a few nominations, must it not?

Sure does.

1, 2, 6, 8, 11, 12, and 17.

Before the lengthening of back tees, you could add 4, 7, and for reasonably long hitters, 13 and 18.
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Not true - I hit driver on 8 two weeks ago and drove the green on a fly....and held it.

Too bad the pin was on the other green.

[Sean Leary]

I Google Earthed it.  The fairway ends at 260 and it slides right while the barranca pinches a bit.  A 230-240 shot is ideal, to my view.  And even though it's uphill, that's still not a driver for me.

 I agree if you hit it 240 down the left side of the fairway, I would take it every time.

Also might depend on time of year and how much run you are getting

[Harris Nepon]

#17 at Oakmont.

If you don't hit it far enough the bunkers 50 yards short are deadly and the bunkers surrounding the green are just as treacherous.

[Tom Huckaby]

Shivas:

Methinks you are forgetting the very uphill nature of the tee shot.

Yes, 240 left side is ideal.  But given the uphill, that's effectively 270.   The 260 straight is effectively 290, at least. If that is less than driver for you, then OK. 

Based on my experience with you (dated, of course) you were not that long off the tee.

TH

[Tom Huckaby]

My experience with you extends beyond that one shot.

So OK, shots under 290 to a fairway that's at least 42 yards wide require something less than driver.  I was indeed unaware you were so long and inaccurate.  I just wonder what holes you CAN hit driver on.

 

[Mike Hendren]

Big hitter, the Shivas.

[Sean Leary]

Big hitter, the Shivas.

Long. Matt Ward long....

[Mike Hendren]

Big hitter, the Shivas.

Long. Matt Ward long....

Excellent.  If Ward's ball was a plane, they'd have time to serve peanuts.

Bogey

[Mike Benham]

Shivas' problem is that his wedges go as far as his driver ...

[Terry Lavin]

#6 at Olympia Fields South.

[Bill Brightly]

I'll nominate Ridgewood's "Five and Dime" which is also my answer to "Holes that have you snake-bit"


I hit 5 wood to stay short of the rough and leave this shot from 80-100 yards to a sliver of a green:



Here's a view from the rear of the green which shows how narrow it is

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