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Ran Morrissett

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Old Macdonald course profile is posted
« on: June 26, 2010, 09:17:32 PM »
Ben Crenshaw once said that time is the greatest asset that an architect can be given and time is a luxury that Mike Keiser brings to each of his projects with Old Macdonald being a prime example. With construction unfolding over a three year period, Old Mac looked and played perfectly on day one and opened to rave reviews earlier this month.
 
To me, Old Macdonald is like an interactive World Atlas of Golf. I remember being 13, looking at the aerial drawing of NGLA and thinking 'what the heck?' :o in wonderment and that seems to be the same kind of gut response that Old Macdonald elicits.
 
Ironically, one winner of Old Macdonald's opening is ... Pacific Dunes! A tip of the hat to Renaissance Design for designing two courses on bordering property that are so wildly different and yet all the while do each property a great service. In the history of golf course architecture, no firm as ever pulled that off with the aplomb that they did. That's talent. Also, playing Old Mac freshly reminds one of some of the elegant poetry on hand at PacDunes, like the vicious 16th and the tiny 1st, the contours of the 2nd fairway, etc..
 
One funny thing about Old Mac is everyone tripping over themselves trying to determine its greatness. Because the size of its greens and fairway width are so unheard of, people are struggling to neatly classify it, especially as some of the design concepts are 'borrowed' from other holes. Like St. Andrews, its secrets won't be unveiled in just one or even ten rounds. All the various iterations of hole locations and winds need to be factored in - and that takes time, lots and lots of time.
 
Certainly a curse of modern architecture is that many modern courses reveal too much after just one or two rounds with their elevated tee boxes and perfect visuals. Such is emphatically not the case here, much to the relief of us traditionalists. Fortunately, it is no chore to play the course again and again so we all have something to look forward to.
 
Also, it is great to see different factions still lobbying for each of the other three courses at Bandon as their favorite. People dying to see water staunchly defend Bandon Dunes and so on down the list. Shocking for a resort, most people are happy regardless of the course that they get to go play.
 
Another cool thing about Old Mac is that it might be the hardest course at the resort for good players and the easiest course for bad players, which is a really neat trick to pull off. Like at Yale, good players can hit 15 greens and not break 80. Getting even short irons close to hole locations on large greens have vexed golfers for a century plus at St. Andrews. At the same time, there are lots of ways at Old MacDonald to break 90 or 100 as you are almost guaranteed not to lose a ball.
 
Posting the profile of a course of this dimension the week after Pebble Beach is great as Pebble's green are ~ 70% smaller than here. Both are great courses but such an eye-popping difference highlights golf's diversity of playing fields, which is its ultimate trump card over all sports.
 
Hope you enjoy some of the photos, especially of the ground contours like around the Road bunker or of the sixth green. They highlight that this is a special course for reasons that we are only beginning to appreciate.
 
Cheers,

JNC Lyon

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2010, 11:59:58 PM »
Wow! I really want to play this golf course.

That is the first thing that came to my mind after reading this profile.  I've played a few Raynor/Banks layouts, and one word comes to mind when describing these courses: FUN.  Old MacDonald looks like it combines the fun of the MacRaynor template holes with the pure joy of the links like North Berwick and Prestwick.  In my mind, you could not possibly build a more ideal golf course.

I listed Old MacDonald in my top 5 in Mac Plumart's thread, and I think it will vault to the top of that list after reading this profile a few times.
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Yancey_Beamer

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2010, 12:17:05 AM »
Ran,
I told you so.
Yancey

Mike Sweeney

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2010, 08:30:03 AM »
Awesome review and pictures. Thanks

Kevin Pallier

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2010, 09:20:11 AM »
Ran

WOW !! Awesome review - easily your best work.

It encaptulates the essance of OM in my opinion.

PCCraig

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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2010, 10:28:46 AM »
Great stuff!
H.P.S.

Ronald Montesano

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2010, 10:35:46 AM »
JNC, don't we have courses like that in upstate NY?

Seriously, it is time for me to pull up stakes and head west.  OM is the precise type of course I'd love to play.  Nothing like whacking the orb along the ground.

Hey, Ben Sims, you're a flyer...does being comfortable in the air make you appreciate the air game or the ground game more, or doesn't it matter?  I'm tethered to the earth and have wondered about this for at least a minute.
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Anthony Gray

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2010, 11:17:57 AM »


  I like pics of all the holes. Well done.

  Anthony


Joe Andriole

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2010, 11:50:45 AM »
Congratulations on a great course profile.  The photographs are superb.  They convey not only the picture of the hole but reveal strategy and even emotion.  The write-up wonderfully expresses the wonders of the course - no small task, especially when the author visited only briefly.

Ben Sims

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2010, 12:01:55 PM »

Hey, Ben Sims, you're a flyer...does being comfortable in the air make you appreciate the air game or the ground game more, or doesn't it matter?  I'm tethered to the earth and have wondered about this for at least a minute.

Questions like this make me appreciate that not everyone gets to slip the surly bonds of earth twice a day.  Then again, if someone told me that I'd never fly again, but I would receive in turn a membership at a club of my choosing, it would be a tough decision.  I wondered about this question for at least an hour last night while DD'ing for my buddies.

I would say my game is equal parts tour and beard puller.  Sometimes it's intended, other times it's not.  I can hit a really pretty high fade and a very effective stung 3-iron with equal aplomb on the range.  With that said, I've never practiced my ground game in the jet...

OH!  Good writeup Ran.  I especially liked your enthusiasm for the the road green.   


John Mayhugh

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2010, 01:23:46 PM »
I was just out there, and this review makes me think another trip is in order - and soon.  Very well done.

Love the photo from the back of the 6th green.

John Moore II

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2010, 01:57:58 PM »

Hey, Ben Sims, you're a flyer...does being comfortable in the air make you appreciate the air game or the ground game more, or doesn't it matter?  I'm tethered to the earth and have wondered about this for at least a minute.

Questions like this make me appreciate that not everyone gets to slip the surly bonds of earth twice a day.  Then again, if someone told me that I'd never fly again, but I would receive in turn a membership at a club of my choosing, it would be a tough decision.  I wondered about this question for at least an hour last night while DD'ing for my buddies.

I would say my game is equal parts tour and beard puller.  Sometimes it's intended, other times it's not.  I can hit a really pretty high fade and a very effective stung 3-iron with equal aplomb on the range.  With that said, I've never practiced my ground game in the jet...

OH!  Good writeup Ran.  I especially liked your enthusiasm for the the road green.   



Ben-for your sake, I hope you never have to practice the ground game in your C-17, that would be pretty bad. Though I guess you could have something close to a ground game in the plane with a LAPES drop.




Oh the topic though, outstanding pictures and outstanding review. I'm very excited to play there in a couple of months.

Eric Smith

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2010, 11:27:43 PM »
Never have I wanted to read a course profile more than this one.  

Never has reading a course profile made me more excited to see a golf course than this one.

Ran Morrissett not only writes a top-flight profile, (maybe his best imo), the man is one hell of a photographer.  Looking at these photographs tonight brings me indescribable joy.

I may as well forget my dream; seriously.  Old Macdonald IS my dream course, it has to be!, and I'm happy as hell that it has been built -- and we all can play it, whenever we feel like it.

I cannot wait until March.  


Jerry Kluger

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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2010, 08:33:45 AM »
Ran: Your writeup tells me how much I missed while playing one round at Old Mac - I must now make a second trip out there - oh the sacrifices we make for the sake of the game.

jonathan_becker

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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2010, 08:42:57 AM »
After reading this write-up, for my upcoming trip I might ditch the Sheep Ranch and overload on Old Mac!! 

Michael Underwood

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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2010, 05:13:42 PM »
Ran - I believe that your analysis of Old MacDonald is spot on!  I played Old MacDonald on June 7 and also realized that it is a course for all golf abilities.  The player will hit many more greens in regulation at Old MacDonald than on the typical golf course, however, many of the pins are very hard to get close to with even a wedge in hand.  There are not many times in my life of golf that I have had as many 90 foot putts in one round of golf. ;D  I think that to fully appreciate the greatness that is Old MacDonald a player would need to play a minimum of several rounds to fully understand all of the possible lines and angles of attack.  You also stated that it is hard to lose a golf ball on Old MacDonald, which is exactly what happened during my round.  I played the same ball for 18 holes and this has never happened on any of the other three Bandon courses in the times that I have played them. Cheers

Jeff Tang

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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2010, 05:59:02 PM »
Ran, that is a great review, thanks!  Very informative and educational as well with regard to the different types of template holes.  I found it interesting that it was noted that Doak and Urbina used the template holes as a starting point for the strategy of many of the holes but then altered them so that they would fit the land so you don't end up with duplicates bur rather variations of the templates.  Cool stuff.

So bad it's good!

Jeff Doerr

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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2010, 08:34:39 PM »
Great profile Ran! You've given a great view into the essence of something very wonderful. My scheduled trip is not til Feb 2011, but some type of preview visit needs to be made.
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Chris Buie

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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2010, 09:40:59 PM »
I think it would be difficult to describe this course without using the word 'masterpiece'.  I'm tempted to use the word 'genius' as well - but would actually have to play it before tossing that word around.  It certainly does look like it may warrant that word.
My only criticism is the moniker.  Maybe there is some old native word for a tribe or something like that.  This course certainly deserves a name more befitting.

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2010, 03:26:35 PM »
Ran, that is a great review, thanks!  Very informative and educational as well with regard to the different types of template holes.  I found it interesting that it was noted that Doak and Urbina used the template holes as a starting point for the strategy of many of the holes but then altered them so that they would fit the land so you don't end up with duplicates bur rather variations of the templates.  Cool stuff.



Jeff, that's also true of the MacDonald / Raynor courses.  They did a good job of fitting the templates onto appropriate terrain without a huge amount of dirt moving - except for the Lido!

Ivan Lipko

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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2010, 10:01:54 PM »
Thanks a lot for posting, looks like an unbelievably beautiful golf course. I especially love how the greens look like a natural extension of the fairways.

Now the Bandon Dunes Resort is at the top of my "US must-play-public courses" list.

Jim Nugent

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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2010, 06:04:00 AM »
Agree with everyone, a truly outstanding profile.  The course looks like it lives up to the inflated hopes and expectations many of us had, when the project was announced a few years back.

Old Mac has been open for a month now.  Lots more golfers have played it, including, I assume, many who aren't GCA junkies.  How do they like the course?  Where do they rank it next to the other three? 

Ivan Lipko

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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2010, 08:48:10 AM »
Seriously, where would you rank the OM compared to the other three courses at the Resort? Do you really think it is gonna be in the TOP100 rankings or remain a hidden gem for quite a while?

David_Elvins

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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2010, 09:17:54 AM »
Ran,

thanks for posting a fantastic profile.

I didn't quite believe all the hype until now.
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Tom_Doak

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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2010, 11:48:41 AM »
Seriously, where would you rank the OM compared to the other three courses at the Resort? Do you really think it is gonna be in the TOP100 rankings or remain a hidden gem for quite a while?

Ivan:

I would not profess to know where the course might wind up in the rankings.  However, I am fairly certain that the course will not remain a "hidden gem" for any length of time.  It already has more exposure than 95% of courses that have been open for five years.  So, whether it is ranked highly or not, the issue is going to be decided pretty quickly.

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