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RSLivingston_III

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Green fringes
« on: June 21, 2010, 04:45:26 PM »
Anybody have any idea when they were "invented"?
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Green fringes
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2010, 04:48:59 PM »
Anybody have any idea when they were "invented"?

No, but I have always loved the expression "froghair."    ;D

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Green fringes
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2010, 04:55:39 PM »
They were there when I started playing golf in 1967.  When I worked at a golf course in 1973, it was explained that they were added because it was "unfair" to have a shot on the green, but have the putter takeaway blocked by deep rough.
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RSLivingston_III

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Re: Green fringes
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2010, 05:02:11 PM »
From what little info I have it appears they showed up between 1930-1960. Does that make sense?

As an extension of that, it might be worth documenting cutting roughs and when the multi level thing gained a foothold.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Green fringes
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2010, 03:26:25 AM »
I can't remember any green fringes at many of the best links courses... RCD has to be the perfect example of this, the green surrounds are cut so low and tight that you don't even know where the green starts some of the time...

Have to say that I'd never considered that they'd actually been "introduced" but I suppose they must have been...

Sean_A

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Re: Green fringes
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2010, 03:39:59 AM »
Someone told me that fringes were introduced when more water was introduced.  The goal was not to have balls bouncing through long grass than suddenly hit a green - too much inconsistency.  Ally is right, on the best maintained links there is virtually no difference between green and its immediate kick up areas.  Its effectively a larger green without so much maintenance hassle if the course is kept properly dry.  Its especially effective for courses who roll firm greens for speed rather than shave them down. 

Ralph, my guess is key in on when watering systems were installed. 

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Gary Slatter

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Re: Green fringes
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2010, 07:46:01 AM »
I support Sean and suspect its something to do with the irrigation, OR, the introduction of bigger greens mowing equipment that "turns" just off the green.
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Bradley Anderson

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Re: Green fringes
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2010, 08:54:10 AM »
The term was originally used very early in the game to describe the edges of features. The fringe of the green, the fringe of the trees etc. It's not clear if the fringe of the green was cut at a different height.

When mowing was powered by pushing the mowers, sometimes these areas were cut with the same mower, but not as frequently, and the difference in frequency of cut left the grass taller. This is just a guess based on pictures, but I think some examples of features that were cut by hand like this were the mounds behind 12 at GCGC, and the first half of the bairritz green through the swale at Yale and possibly others.

It is unclear to me when the practice began of mowing a separate fringe, apron, or collar cut around the green at a higher level of cut. But were I to place it on a timeline, I would start around 1927-1930 when Toro and Jacobsen began making a good reliable lightweight power mower. And then I think it would have been put into practice for false fronts, turnarounds between bunkers and greens, approach transitions between the green and the tractor drawn gang mowers. Surely when maintenance became more mechanized some new traffic problems arose around the green that the fringe cut resolved.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Green fringes
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2010, 08:56:12 AM »
It was quite a few yearsa ago but I remember asking Rand Jerris, USGA, this same question.

He replied that he couldn't find any evidence of when, but thought it coincided with the advent of powered greens mowers.
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