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Wade Whitehead

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Pebble #14: An Interesting Phenomenon
« on: June 18, 2010, 12:30:22 PM »
On Friday, Ernie Els and Lee Westwood, playing in the same group, hit approach shots to 14 that landed just short of the intended spot and, as a result, ended up over the back of the green.

What other great holes provide a similarly strange penalty (i.e. shots that land short end up OVER the green)?  It could well be what makes the approach so difficult and punishing.

WW
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Pebble #14: An Interesting Phenomenon
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2010, 12:33:24 PM »
The Road Hole at St. Andrews.  It's why nobody ever fires at the flag ... if you hit the downslope just past the bunker, you're screwed then, too.  And there is not enough room behind the hole to play past the flag and spin it back, as they try to do at Pebble.
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Wade Whitehead

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Re: Pebble #14: An Interesting Phenomenon
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2010, 12:39:50 PM »
Tom: Perfect response.

One difference in the two holes is that 14 at Pebble punishes well struck wedge shots, where the Road Hole usually consumes much longer approaches.

Guys have two shots to set up the "perfect" yardage on 14 at Pebble; at St. Andrews 17, they're hitting from the tee and hoping to be as close to the green as possible with little control over what approach yardage they'll draw, no?

WW
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Adam Clayman

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Re: Pebble #14: An Interesting Phenomenon
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2010, 12:47:15 PM »
WW, Are you assuming they landed short of their intended spot? The play there is to miss long, right of the flag, just right of the center of the green, . The slope to the hole from back there is less steep, to the upper left pinable plateau. If ones ball just carries the left front bunker the reverse slope turbo boosts the ball off the back. From that left rear, the shot is exponentially more delicate, due to the steeper slope leading.
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Wade Whitehead

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Re: Pebble #14: An Interesting Phenomenon
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 01:03:58 PM »
Adam: I am assuming they landed short of their intended spot, intended spot being what you describe (long of the hole).

The play is long and they were short of that.

WW
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Bill Gayne

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Re: Pebble #14: An Interesting Phenomenon
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 08:03:43 PM »
I've been casually watching today without sound and I've seen Zach Johnson and Ian Poulter play the hole and it reminds me of the problems the USGA had at Shinnecock #7 or Olympic 18. Has the USGA lost control of the green with a combination of a poor pin placement and dried out green? The chipping area behind the green looks brutal.
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