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Jeff_Brauer

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Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« on: June 12, 2010, 09:15:31 AM »
Pat M questioned whether I was much of a gca historian, and it got me to thinking.  While many of us here are golf architecture history buffs, and some put in considerable time at it as a hobby (think TMac for one, Mike Cirba, Joe Bausch and some others).  A few here have become "professional" gca historians by virtue of publishing books on specific topics (Young, Clouser, Doak, etc.)

TePaul and Wayne will have to wait until there book comes out, although I guess TePaul is on the USGA architecture historical committee.  I guess his designation would have to depend for now on whether the committee delegates or does the work itself? ;)

But who among us is really a historian?  Is there a "legal" definition (like landcape architects being licenced vs gca's not having a license?)

And more to the positive point, who have been the best historians to date and who will get added to the list?

From my perspective, Cornish and Whitten were the first modern ones, but HWWind probably pioneered the field a bit, no?  And some of the Golden Age guys did write about the history of early golf.....so who are the top gca historians?
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Tom_Doak

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Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2010, 09:30:37 AM »
Jeff:

I always cringe when someone calls me a (an?) historian.  I have never pretended to be a great researcher; I've just seen a lot of stuff, I'm pretty observant, and I can write.

The late Dr. James Scott did the bulk of the research for the MacKenzie book which we co-authored.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2010, 09:33:55 AM »
TD,

Thanks for that perspective.  I wouldn't have thought you thought of yourself as a historian, despite all your study of old courses.  You did that for architecture, not historical docmentation purposes.

But, this site may have started promoting gca research as a new or at least legitmate field in many ways, and it won't surprise me if you make any list that comes from this anyway.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Mike Cirba

Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2010, 10:19:02 AM »
Jeff,

I'd hardly consider myself a historian either...just a person with a keen interest in a very specialized field of history, that being golf course architectural evolution and attribution.

In the early 70s my interest was stimulated by Herbert Warren Wind's writings, including a piece titled "The Architect Makes the Course Great", which appeared in a coffee table tome my father brought home to me from work.  

In the early 90s, I received "The Architects of Golf" as a Christmas present, and the breadth of information contained within really stimulated my interest.   I'd always loved to play different golf courses, had played about 500 or so by that time, and I set out to discover the attribution information of courses I'd played that weren't included in the book through letters, newspaper research, and then finally, the Internet.

That expanded to all public courses in the mid-atlantic, northeast region, and so on, and then to private courses as well, always as an "amateur", and simply as an enjoyable hobby that gave me a great deal of enjoyment and satisfaction.

My intent had been to share all of my research with Cornish and Whitten for what I hoped would be an expanded, updated copy of their book.   I sent a lot of information to Mr. Cornish, who couldn't have been more of a gentleman, but it's unlikely that book will ever be written, unfortunately.

Still, with the Internet available to researchers these days, I'm not sure what's needed is another book, but perhaps more of a clearing house of information online.

Relatedly, since I was a 13 year old kid sitting in a ramshackle clubhouse flipping through the 1971 Sports Illustrated US Open preview reading a story titled, "The Ghosts of Merion", Merion has always been my favorite course.   Years later, when I was fortunate to see it during the 1989 US Amateur, and then later play there a few times, it never disappointed, and the lore of the place and indeed, the ghosts who inhabit it are palpable.

Similarly, since the first time I played there in 1981, Cobb's Creek also had a very special, and very spiritual feel to me.   Although local legend had it that Hugh Wilson designed the course, there was nothing solid that I'd ever seen to prove that, and indeed, local lore also stated that the course changed considerably over time, although no one seemed to be able to say exactly how.

Over the years, I became more and more troubled by this mystery, and once some folks here started using the Dallin Collection of the Hagley Museum for aerial research, I decided to send an email to the museum asking if they had anything on Cobbs.

About six weeks passed, without a response.   Then, one day out of the blue six aerial photos arrived in my email, and it became clear to me that the course could be restored.   I immediately started a thread on GolfClubAtlas.

Enter Joe Bausch, who is the Indiana Joe(nes) of golf course research.     Soon, he was able to pull just this amazing architectural and social and athletic history from the backshelves of dusty history and between us, and with some additional contributions by Geoff Walsh and others we put together a 300 page book that chronicles the almost 100 year history that proves that not only was Hugh Wilson responsible for the course, but so was George Crump, Ab Smith, William Flynn, and even Walter Travis late in the game, along with other local course building "experts" like George Klauder and J. Franklin Meehan.  What's more, the building of the course was due to the goading of city officials in the press by writers like A.W. Tillinghast and William Evans.

If ever there was a story to prove the collaboration efforts of "The Philadelphia School" of architecture, and how these guys worked together, this certainly would be one.

Over time, our efforts were directed not only at chronicling this history, but actively trying to recapture it with collaborative efforts of our own to attempt to restore the golf course to its former glory.

Stay tuned...


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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2010, 11:51:14 AM »
I would say Fred W.Hawtree did a fair bit on the historian side of things...

Kyle Henderson

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Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2010, 11:56:05 AM »
As far as GCA DG members go, Geoff Shackelford has contributed quite a bit of historical reearch, by my reckoning (See "The Captain," "Alister MacKenzie's Cypress Point Club," and "The Riviera country Clu: A Definitive History")
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2010, 01:47:19 PM »
The late, great Bob Labbance.
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Phil_the_Author

Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2010, 02:23:43 PM »
Here are a few, some of whose names my not be the first to come to your mind, yet each have played a significant part in researching and protecting the history of the game either overall or at a single course:

Otto Probst... His personal library forms the majority of the PGA of America's research library at the Museum in Florida.

Michael Hurdzan... A number are aware that he maintains a personal research library that he makes available to other golf researchers yet most forget thet he, too, has written very important research works himself. For example, the 2006 book titled, Golf Course Design: An annotated bibliography of its history and resources that he did with Geoffrey Cornish.

Geoffrey Cornish... Yes, he was mentioned in the opening remarks because of his book with Ron Whitten, but he has been an amazingly active researcher on his own, separate from all others.

The late Douglas Larue Smith... He personally created the archives and history room at Winged Foot.

Dr. William Quirin... A man who has devoted many years researching especially the golf clubs in the northeast U.S. and writing numerous club histories that are referred to by many and sought after by more.

The "Tillinghast Trio" of Rick Wolffe, Bob Trebus and Stuart Wolffe who tirelessly searched out, gathered together and then published a great many of Tillinghast's writings in the books The Course Beautiful, Gleanings form the Wayside and Reminiscences of the Links. These sit on the desks and shelves of many  everywhere who love golf architecture and its history. What sets them apart from other "golf books" is how often they are constantly opened by those who own them. They also founded the Tillinghast Association and are the reason that it is dedicated to preserving Tilly's written work for posterity as well as what is on the ground...

Stuart Bendelow who is nearly single-handedly preserving the work of his grandfather Tom Bendelow...

These are but a few.

Mike Cirba

Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2010, 02:29:43 PM »
He doesn't participate here, but I'd add Jim Finegan to the list.

Much like Dr. Quirin in the MGA, Mr. Fiinegan attempted to chronicle the history (including any architectural info) of every club in the Golf Association of Philadelphia (GAP) for their centennial.

While he didn't get everything 100% correct (for instance, his Cobb's Creek info was incorrect), most of it was, and he unearthed enough leads to help put the rest of us on the right track.

TEPaul

Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2010, 09:34:51 PM »
To me a really good GCA historian needs two separate talents;

1. As a top notch researcher.
2. As a top notch analyst with what he researches.

In my twelve or so years of a real interest in GCA history I would say the one who has the best of both talents is Geoff Shackelford which makes him the top and most credible GCA historian, in my opinion. His books, that include "The Golden Age of Golf Design," a few books on George Thomas and his history on Cypress Point have stood up to analysis and reanalysis the best of any I'm aware of. If and when he speculates it just seems like it rings the truest to the actual facts and events of the time and the people he writes about.

Steve Burrows

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Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2010, 10:54:20 PM »
Let's keep in mind that going to club archives and/or reading through old newspapers and posting them on a website does not make a historian.  A historian analyzes and interprets information.  It is not just reporting what did or did not happen.  More than this, it is explaining why something happened, or what were the impacts of the given event (and often this relates to social impacts).  However, the search is not really for the that huge thing called TRUTH.  The goal is to confirm a very specific, reasoned position, one that is often in conflict with what was understood previously.  For example (and outside the world of golf), it's seeing Thomas Jefferson not as a flawless god and author of the Declaration of Independence, but as the all too human man who had an affair with his slave Sally Hemming.  It doesn't necessarily take away from his other contributions, but it tells us another part of his story. 

The history of golf and golf courses, likewise, can be exposed to show a given person, golf course, or event, not as a singularity, but instead as a small part of something that adds too, or enriches, an existing narrative.
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Phil_the_Author

Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2010, 11:54:52 PM »
Unlike other areas of historical interest, in my opinion what separates the history of golf clubs and their courses apart from the history of the game and especially the professional one, and they are very different aspects of the history of golf, is that championships, the U.S. Open for example, are contested by a fraction of those who play the game and on a minute number of its courses yet is observed, remembered and interests almost all who play the game whereas the history of indiviual Clubs, no matter how important and famous (for the most part) they may be are of interest almost solely among its members and usually not all of those.

(Brad I know you're cringing somewhere after having read that! ;D)

Real world example. No matter how well known Pine Valley is and how great a desire to play it is felt by every person who holds a golf club in their hands, owning a copy of their club history isn't even a glimmer of a thought in the back of the minds of most of those. Therefore the golf historian must recognize that he or she is more responsible to future readers than present ones as more people will read the results of their researches through the years than when it is first published.

This, then, requires thorough and careful research and well-thought out interpretations of the facts that they are attempting to present and preserve. That is why I am of the opinion that golf writers usually are not good golf historians. They are too busy chasing the story and reporting it than considering what they uncover and placing it carefully down in print with posterity in mind.

Almost without exception Club histories do a poor job in relating the evolution of the golf course itself. This is not because the facts are usually wrong, as some are of the opinion, but rather because they concentrate far more on the individual club members and their accomplishments and the social aspects of the Club; and that is as it should be.

For those that produce them, course evolution histories should be that... the evolution of the golf course. It needs to be told against the backdrop of individuals and board decisions and club politics, but these are merely the necessary WHY explanation for the WHAT that happened and WHEN it occurred.

The historian must approach his report with an open mind and be willing to both follow the truth and tell it regardless of where it may lead. If this means bringing to light that a famous architect was given credit for designing a course that he actually didn't even where a Club may want to believe otherwise, he or she must remember that it is posterity they are writing for even though it is the present who is paying the bill. For those contemplating this work, it has been my experience that when presented properly, I have yet to see a single case where a club became angry or upset to learn that the architect that they believed their course was designed or worked on by turns out to be someone entirely different than what they had assumed, in many cases for years. If the course is great it doesn't matter if Ab Smith was the architect; being the member of a club with the worst course ever designed by Tillinghast isn't an honor that anyone would want if the course was a dog track.

Some have already touched on the need to approach the Club for access when doing research about a specific golf course. While this is the proper thing to do, one must recognize that usually the answer will be NO! You might not like to hear it, but it is their Club after all and, almost without exception, others have made similar approaches and more will after yours is turned down. It is for that reason that TRUST in the work done by reputable golf historians is paramount by other researchers and those interested in overall or specific club and course histories.

For example, I would love to be given permission by Winged Foot to be able to access their records, archives and board minutes. Yet, Tillinghast Association Historian as I may be, that will never be granted for the work has been done already. First, by the late Doug Smith who far too many of us dearly miss, and now followed by Neil Regan whose efforts have been considerable and remarkable. I must trust their efforts and findings as being both true and well-done.

I actually didn't mean to go on this long, but I believe that only a handful of those interested in golf course architecture per se have a deep understanding of what is involved in recreating accurate and factual histories of courses built 80, 90, 100 and more years ago... and the importance for doing so now grows each day as the more years that pass by the closer to impossible the task of doing so becomes.

Tim_Cronin

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Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2010, 12:47:51 AM »
Well said, Phil.
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David Stamm

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Re: Top GCA Historians of All Time?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2010, 10:44:34 AM »
I nominate Tom Naccarato.
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