Dr.MacKenzie and Cliff Roberts........

[TEPaul]

Dan:

I'll bet ya it was Alice L that said that!

[TEPaul]

As a parting test though, who said my favorite of all from the tough talking women of the 20th century?

"I'm as pure as the driven slush!"

[Richard_Goodale]

DAN AND TOM P!!!

What does this have to do with GCA?

I know, of course.....

[Dan Kelly]

Tom I --

You're on.

I'll trust you to provide a proper prize.

See you at Pine Valley?

[Dan Kelly]

Tallulah Bankhead.

Next?

[Dan Kelly]

From a speech at the JFK Library by Presidential biographer and librarian Richard Norton Smith: "Alice Roosevelt Longworth famously observed that [Coolidge] looked as if weaned on a pickle. When Coolidge opened his mouth, it was claimed, a moth flew out. And who can forget Dorothy Parker's wisecrack, as cruel as it was tasteless, on being informed of Coolidge's death in 1933: 'How could they tell?' "

[JakaB]

Dan,

In an attempt to bring this thread back to architecture and in my own search of knowledge...Why are so many great educations wasted on Journalism...golf reporting included.

[Richard_Goodale]

Barny

Great minds are wasted on journalism for exactly the same reason they are wasted on asphalt or child care, which is, of course, that they are not....

[BCrosby]

Sorry to interrupt the fascinating dialogue on Cal Coolidge, but I recall that ANGC filed for a receivership in 1933 or 34.  In connection with that proceeding the club was relieved of the claims of certain unsecured creditors, the claims of the MacK estate being one of them.  The ANGC secured bank debt was restructured at that time.

So MacK was stiffed, but legally stiffed.

I do not know if Coolidge had any opinions on the matter.

Bob

[Richard_Goodale]

Bob

Cal was on his deathbed in 1933.  However, if he had broken his last-minute silences, he might just have said to Cliff Roberts and Bobby Jones, "You hired Mackenzie's services, didn't you?"

PS--Was Bobby Jones really a "God" or just a tempestous  rich kid who could really play golf.....

[Jim_Kennedy]

Rich,
No, your math is correct but I thought the 170k was for the course alone, minus the land or the clubhouse. I know of a group doing a TF course that will cost 12mil. but that includes everything. The course will cost 5-6mil, of which 1mil. is for the architect.

[BCrosby]

Rich -

You asked:

Was Bobby Jones really a "God" or just a tempestous  rich kid who could really play golf.....

As an Atlantan, an assessment of Jones is not easy.  From everything I've heard over the years - and I knew and know several men who were very close personal friends of Jones - he was a wonderful guy.  Fun-loving, unpretentious, gracious.

The model of a "southern" gentleman.

Which is why I've always been a little uncomfortable about the unrestrainted praise Jones gets in Atlanta and elewhere.

The praise for Jones has always sounded to me a little like the praise that R.E. Lee got (gets) from southerners.  He too embodied the graciousness and values of the "southern" gentleman.

Problem is, of course, that RE Lee spent the last years of his life defending an abhorent institution.

I don't mean to draw the parallels too closely.  Certainly Jones never fought to preserve the institution of slavery.   But he did live in a tumultuous era in Atlanta and never raised his voice.  Other men from his social milieu did.  Ralph Magill of the Journal/Constitution for example.

If Jones had been just another dumb jock, it would have been one thing.  You wouldn't expect, say, Sam Snead to have much to say about the affairs of the day.  But Jones was a different breed altogether.  He understood what was going on in the South in the 50's and 60's.  He understood his power and his position.  It was his moment to take a stand.  He didn't.  

I'm not talking about the integration of the Masters (which I think was handled appropriately) but the larger issue of the civil rights movement at the time and the roll back of the Jim Crow era in the South.

Maybe I'm being unfair to Jones.  Maybe I'm loading him down with too much non-golf baggage.  I don't know.  But these reservations have always checked my willingness to get on the Jones bandwagon.

Having said all that, he is still a mythic figure.  Much more than a spoiled rich kid that could play.  If given the chance, there's nobody else I would rather have a drink with.

Except maybe Cal Coolidge.  Are you sure he is still dead?

Bob  

  

[THuckaby2]

On a MUCH lighter level...

Rich, didn't you either read or see Bagger Vance?  Jones wasn't God, Bagger was....

Bob - excellent, thought-provoking post re Jones.  Sorry for my bad joke.  I just couldn't resist.

TH

[Richard_Goodale]

Bob C

Thanks for the balanced analysis of Bobby J from someone who knows much more about him and his life than I do.

Vis a vis CC's current status--as Dorothy P said, and Dan K reminded us, we cannot be sure.