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Jeff_Brauer

The "Street View" of GCA 100 years ago
« on: April 28, 2010, 08:46:39 AM »
TMac's use of the word "street view of gca" in the Strategic Architecture thread got me wondering what constituenticies the "street" might include in 1910 or so? 

Did the guys at NYC's first muni discuss gca as they strolled the fw?  Was there a lot of discussions at the clubs?  Or were the magazine articles and books read by those contemplating a new club and the gca's and a few proponents that followed the subject?  Were club discussions centered around how the course might have cost some golfer or another a bogey, or a match rather than deep principles?

Does anyone have any idea how many copies of the various books the golden age guys wrote may have sold?  The typical circulation of the magazines containing gca articles?

Its an honest question, not a trumped up one. Somehow, I thought that the internet had sort of democratized the discussion of gca and spread it. If 1500 care to join this web site today, how many would be interested 100 years ago?

My guess is it would be limited to those green committees starting new clubs, and maybe the top 20 competitors in our national events. However, even the Merion boys seemed pretty clueless about gca until CBM gave them a private session.  There was no evidence of Wilson taking great interest until after being named the committee, although he had worked on another course while at school.

My impressions could be way off, but its interesting to contemplate whether gca had made a huge impact on the next levels of players at that time.  Granted, the opening of new courses did have to be exciting, and there do seem to be many articles about those, and their holes, but was there a lot of critical depth of thouught on those, such as the ones Joe Bausch posted, or is it pretty much the "driver, six iron" type analysis outside the few gca's who wrote their opuses.

Discuss.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Melvyn Morrow

Re: The "Street View" of GCA 100 years ago
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2010, 09:06:04 AM »

Jeff

I would have considered that to be one of the most important elements in GCA the selection of  the best or correct site. If this is the case then I would say that GCA has been around far longer than some want to believe.

In fact I would go as far to say that selection of – lets just call them poor sites – today is more detrimental to GCA than it was in the past.

My point is that care was taken in selecting sites way before 1906-10, even to the point of only recommending 9 holes when the clients wanted 18. Today with money, technology and the belief of complete stripping off of the land, then terraforming, it’s the equivalent of a test tube baby, even down to sex, colour of eyes and hair.

Is that GCA or just an extension of one of the sciences?

GCA did IMHO have an impact on Golfers pre 1906, but not in the terms we use today. Courses were defined by the challenge and hazards they presented the golfer

Melvyn   


Garland Bayley

Re: The "Street View" of GCA 100 years ago
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2010, 10:12:03 AM »
Remember Jeff, their minds weren't dulled by the boob tube, so they had to broaden their horizons to engage in stimulative discourse. I say there is every chance there was a higher interest in gca. Similarly the demise of bowling leagues has turned the population into narrow minded ideologues.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jeff_Brauer

Re: The "Street View" of GCA 100 years ago
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2010, 10:16:33 AM »
Melvyn,

I'm glad to give you an op for a soapbox moment on an unrelated point,,,,,,


Garland,

You might just be right.  Golf was still new then and very much a hot topic, compared to today.  And there were fewer recreations distractions!  Not to mention that while gca.com laments just how standardized golf architecture has become, it must have been much more exciting to help determine just how standardized golf architecture SHOULD become....
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Melvyn Morrow

Re: The "Street View" of GCA 100 years ago
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2010, 10:26:32 AM »

Jeff

Sorry, I thought it was a point about GCA, seems I misunderstood your meaning,  No need for the soapbox, but I do love they way you guys cut off everything pre 1906 10, but its your topic and I shall take your hint and withdraw.

Melvyn

TEPaul

Re: The "Street View" of GCA 100 years ago
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2010, 10:48:43 AM »
Jeffrey:

Just a brief note on attribution. I don't think it was Tom MacWood who originated the term "street view" of architecture on that other thread. It was Bob Crosby who wrote the essay on Joshua Crane.

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