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Tony_Muldoon

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Thanks Scott and Mark and nice to see Andrew there as well.


The Great BUDA that never was.

After a previous thread this leapt right up my list of must see's and because it's off that famous well beaten track , I wanted to play it more than once.  I can't recall who suggested it first, but I swapped some emails with Mark Pearce about organising a BUDA there and we agreed it was perfect if we could access a  second course.

Well Southerness is approx 10 miles away, as the crow flies, or more accurately as the dolphins swim. A great combination.  So I approached the local Golf Hotel ("under new management" at the time) and offered them 36 hungry and VERY thirsty golfers for 3 days in the traditionally quiet month of September.  For this to take place I needed help finding a BOAT.  Twice they said they had no interest in helping and that’s why I took it no further.


Still want to get there...
« Last Edit: April 27, 2010, 05:48:26 PM by Tony_Muldoon »
Let's make GCA grate again!

Scott Warren

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Tony,

If you wanted to do a John Lyon-esque daytrip, or even an overnight, before mid-September you can count me in.

Andrew Mitchell

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Great photos Scott, although I can't currently see them sat at my office desk due to our web filter!

The more I play Silloth the more I enjoy it and want to get back there. There's fantastic natural ground movement, blind shots to keep you interested and some great green complexes.

There are some great sequences of holes, and not really a bad hole on the course.

I've only played Rye the once (& thoroughly enjoyed it) but I can't see how Silloth is a Doak 5 if Rye is a 9
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

Andrew Mitchell

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Tony,

If you wanted to do a John Lyon-esque daytrip, or even an overnight, before mid-September you can count me in.

A day trip would be possible Scott.  Hourly train service takes 3hrs 15. Your only snag would be the 20 odd miles from Carlisle to Silloth. I assume the only public transport would be a slow bus...

...however if one of your playing partners was sat in a car outside Carlisle station waiting for you to arrive that would make it far easier ;)

Let me know if you/Tony decide to make this happen.
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

JNC Lyon

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Tony,

If you wanted to do a John Lyon-esque daytrip, or even an overnight, before mid-September you can count me in.

A day trip would be possible Scott.  Hourly train service takes 3hrs 15. Your only snag would be the 20 odd miles from Carlisle to Silloth. I assume the only public transport would be a slow bus...

...however if one of your playing partners was sat in a car outside Carlisle station waiting for you to arrive that would make it far easier ;)

Let me know if you/Tony decide to make this happen.

If you have someone to pick you up at Carlisle Station, the trip from London is very easy.  Carlisle is the second-to-last stop on the train from London Euston to Glasgow.  In fact, it is much easier than my day trip to Prestwick.
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Scott Warren

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Sounds like we have a fourth...

Andrew Mitchell

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Let's do diaries  ;D
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

JNC Lyon

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Sounds like we have a fourth...

Well, I am always down for a day trip.  I am still trying to figure out how to get back to the UK this summer...
"That's why Oscar can't see that!" - Philip E. "Timmy" Thomas

Sean_A

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Scott

Thanks for the pix.  Silloth looks to be one of the courses which fit in a neat grouping in with Brora, Perranporth, St Enodoc, Tenby and Pennard.  These courses are not quite with the big boys in terms of fame and difficulty, but are unsurpassed in the feel good factor they provide.  I hope to make it to Silloth one day.

Ciao    
« Last Edit: April 29, 2010, 02:58:22 AM by Sean Arble »
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Mark Pearce

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Interesting, Sean.  My feel, for what it's worth is that Silloth is a bit more challenging than either Brora or Tenby (the only two of those you named that I know) but it's clearly not a "Championship" course of the level of difficulty of (most of) the Open venues.It hadn't occurred to me until last weekend but I do think that Rye, or even Deal, might be better comparisons.  I think you'd love it.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Andrew Mitchell

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Whilst reviewing the Silloth website before I went last Saturday I note it is to host the English Amateur Championship in 2012, which suggests the EGU hold it in high esteem.  It will be interesting to see how much of a challenge it is to the top amateurs. I only hope that the event doesn't raise Silloth's profile so much that they put the green fee up  ;)

Sean you really should make the effort to get there.  I think it would be right up your street.
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

Scott Warren

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Scott

Thanks for the pix.  Silloth looks to be one of the courses which fit in a neat grouping in with Brora, Perranporth, St Enodoc, Tenby and Pennard.  These courses are not quite with the big boys in terms of fame and difficulty, but are unsurpassed in the feel good factor they provide.  I hope to make it to Silloth one day.

Ciao   

It's streets ahead of St Enodoc, IMO. It's certainly much wider and offers a lot more significant options off the tee.

The small amount of blindness (there are only three blind greens: 1, 7 and 14) and fantastic fairway movement and brilliant natural greensites are what got me thinking of the Deal comparison, but Rye is also a good comparison, too.

The course certainly isn't ridiculously quirky.

Not too bad a drive from where you're based, I'd have thought? M6 almost all the way?

Sean_A

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Scott

Thanks for the pix.  Silloth looks to be one of the courses which fit in a neat grouping in with Brora, Perranporth, St Enodoc, Tenby and Pennard.  These courses are not quite with the big boys in terms of fame and difficulty, but are unsurpassed in the feel good factor they provide.  I hope to make it to Silloth one day.

Ciao   

It's streets ahead of St Enodoc, IMO. It's certainly much wider and offers a lot more significant options off the tee.

The small amount of blindness (there are only three blind greens: 1, 7 and 14) and fantastic fairway movement and brilliant natural greensites are what got me thinking of the Deal comparison, but Rye is also a good comparison, too.

The course certainly isn't ridiculously quirky.

Not too bad a drive from where you're based, I'd have thought? M6 almost all the way?

Scott

Silloth is a ways - maybe 4.5 hours from where I live - likely a two night jobbie to travel that far and risk additional M6 wrath. 

I know you aren't terribly keen on St Enodoc, but if Silloth is streets ahead, then I must get there pronto.  Tell ya what, and it does require you to take me for an honest chap, lets put a bet on.  If I like (when I eventually do make it there) Silloth more than St Enodoc I will send you the money for a game of equal value to Silloth.  I won't pull the wool over your eyes, St Enodoc is my favourite course out there and that is saying a ton to say I prefer it (ever so slightly) to my beloved Pennard and what I feel like is one of my clubs, Kington.  To give you an added bit of info, the views at St Enodoc definitely play a role in choosing it as my favourite course.  Now, if I don't prefer Silloth over St Enodoc, then you pay for the game.  To be up front, looking at the pix of Silloth and reading/listening to what folks over many years have said, I think it a possibility that I could prefer it to St Enodoc - in any case it looks to be a wonderful course.   

Mark P

Not to cut out our young Aussie friend in the full busted virginity afterglow of Silloth, but what are your thoughts on Silloth relative to your other favourites?

Ciao
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JNC Lyon

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Scott

Thanks for the pix.  Silloth looks to be one of the courses which fit in a neat grouping in with Brora, Perranporth, St Enodoc, Tenby and Pennard.  These courses are not quite with the big boys in terms of fame and difficulty, but are unsurpassed in the feel good factor they provide.  I hope to make it to Silloth one day.

Ciao   


It's streets ahead of St Enodoc, IMO. It's certainly much wider and offers a lot more significant options off the tee.

The small amount of blindness (there are only three blind greens: 1, 7 and 14) and fantastic fairway movement and brilliant natural greensites are what got me thinking of the Deal comparison, but Rye is also a good comparison, too.

The course certainly isn't ridiculously quirky.

Not too bad a drive from where you're based, I'd have thought? M6 almost all the way?

Scott

Silloth is a ways - maybe 4.5 hours from where I live - likely a two night jobbie to travel that far and risk additional M6 wrath. 

I know you aren't terribly keen on St Enodoc, but if Silloth is streets ahead, then I must get there pronto.  Tell ya what, and it does require you to take me for an honest chap, lets put a bet on.  If I like (when I eventually do make it there) Silloth more than St Enodoc I will send you the money for a game of equal value to Silloth.  I won't pull the wool over your eyes, St Enodoc is my favourite course out there and that is saying a ton to say I prefer it (ever so slightly) to my beloved Pennard and what I feel like is one of my clubs, Kington.  To give you an added bit of info, the views at St Enodoc definitely play a role in choosing it as my favourite course.  Now, if I don't prefer Silloth over St Enodoc, then you pay for the game.  To be up front, looking at the pix of Silloth and reading/listening to what folks over many years have said, I think it a possibility that I could prefer it to St Enodoc - in any case it looks to be a wonderful course.   

Mark P

Not to cut out our young Aussie friend in the full busted virginity afterglow of Silloth, but what are your thoughts on Silloth relative to your other favourites?

Ciao

Sean, Surely the fast train from Euston to Glasgow stops near the Arble homestead?
"That's why Oscar can't see that!" - Philip E. "Timmy" Thomas

Scott Warren

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I know you aren't terribly keen on St Enodoc, but if Silloth is streets ahead, then I must get there pronto.  Tell ya what, and it does require you to take me for an honest chap, lets put a bet on.  If I like (when I eventually do make it there) Silloth more than St Enodoc I will send you the money for a game of equal value to Silloth.  I won't pull the wool over your eyes, St Enodoc is my favourite course out there and that is saying a ton to say I prefer it (ever so slightly) to my beloved Pennard and what I feel like is one of my clubs, Kington.  To give you an added bit of info, the views at St Enodoc definitely play a role in choosing it as my favourite course.  Now, if I don't prefer Silloth over St Enodoc, then you pay for the game.  To be up front, looking at the pix of Silloth and reading/listening to what folks over many years have said, I think it a possibility that I could prefer it to St Enodoc - in any case it looks to be a wonderful course.    

That sounds good to me. You're on. Of course I am happy to take you for an honest chap. The value aspect will be in Silloth's favour.

Silloth midweek - £45 for a day ticket
St Enodoc midweek - £90 for a day ticket (£65 a round)

Silloth weekend - £55 a round
St Enodoc weekend - £75 a round

Mark Pearce

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Sean,

A tricky question, because I find it very difficult to rank courses.  However, I'll have a go.  It's worth pointing out that when we played Silloth last weekend it was an almost completely still day.  None of my previous games there have had less than a two club wind and that makes it a whole lot more challenging and, possibly, reduces the fun quotient a little.

I'd say Silloth would be pretty much my ideal home course.  It's not quite as much fun as Elie or Kington but it is more challenging and I suspect I might find the shortness of Elie/Kington a little disappointing if I were playing there every week, after a while.  It's also not quite as quirky, though retaining enough quirk to make it charming.

I do think it's probably a better course than Rye, but I feel I'd owe Rye another visit before stating that for certain.  It's at least as good, probably better, than Deal (which I loved enough that I'm considering speaking to Chappers about membership).  I'm not as big a North Berwick fan as many but purely as a course (rather than for this history and extreme quirk) it's a better course (as with Deal, the best holes aren't as good, the weak ones far stronger).

I find it very difficult to compare links to inland courses but I'd put Ganton maybe Alwoodley, certainly Muirfield, Dornoch (from what I remember, I must get back) and RSG ahead of Silloth.  It occurs to me that Silloth is as good or better than Cruden Bay (again, the stretch from 3-6 at CB is epic, Silloth has nothing to match it but nor does it have anything to match 8-11, or 15-18 at CB).  

So for a peer set I'd suggest Rye, Deal, Littlestone, Cruden Bay and North Berwick and I would have it as one of the leaders in that group. That's in the round.

For fun, rather than as a potential home course, it would fall short of Elie and Kington and possibly North Berwick and Cruden Bay, but not by a very long way.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Sean_A

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JNC

Trains?  I purposely live plenty distance from train and motorway noise - I can't stand it.  The hum of the computer is too much at times.  

Scott

Very fine!  We have a gentlemen's agreement.  

BTW

Where did you stay in Silloth and was it any good?

Mark

Cheers.  I didn't mean to put you on the spot, I was really just interested in your personal take - damn the best and the rest.

I can appreciate the difference between visiting a favourite club X amount of times in 5 years and being a member of club.  The criteria are two different animals.  There is no way I would join Kington as a weekly game.  The course is short, but plays brutally when the weather moves in on that hill.  i can recall taking 3 shots (gooduns') to reach the first and shooting what I thought was more than a respectable 94 on one of my early visits.  Anything can happen on Bradnor Hill.  

Ciao

« Last Edit: April 29, 2010, 07:39:06 AM by Sean Arble »
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Scott Warren

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Scott

Very fine!  We have a gentlemen's agreement. 

BTW

Where did you stay in Silloth and was it any good?


We were in the Lake District for a wedding and I drove up from there. We were staying in Muncaster, which is about 30mins west of Windermere and right near Ravenglass, which was a very nice, sleepy village.

Took me about 1h10 from Muncaster. Windermere would be 1h20 or so, using a different route.

Mark Pearce

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Guys,

If there's another GCA visit to Silloth and I'm not invited I'll be REALY upset.  I am, of course, happy to offer lifts from the station.

As to staying in Silloth, it's one of those great old, slightly run down English coastal resorts.  The Golf Hotel looks OK from the outside, though I've never been in.  Niall might have a recommendation?
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Niall C

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Guys,

If there's another GCA visit to Silloth and I'm not invited I'll be REALY upset.  I am, of course, happy to offer lifts from the station.

As to staying in Silloth, it's one of those great old, slightly run down English coastal resorts.  The Golf Hotel looks OK from the outside, though I've never been in.  Niall might have a recommendation?

Certainly, stay in Carlisle  ;)

Seriously though, the last I heard the nearby Golf Hotel was rumoured to be redeveloped into flats. It might be best to speak to the club for some ideas but in or around Carlisle might be an option, only 25 mins by car.

Count me in also if thers a GCA visit.

Niall

Richard Muldoon

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'Seriously though, the last I heard the nearby Golf Hotel was rumoured to be redeveloped into flats.'

I bloody hope not as me & 3 others are booked into there for 2 nights in June. Must check that out!
Thanks for this thread Scott it has wetted the appetite nicely for the 3 rounds we're playing. If you reckon it's better than St Enedoc it must be one hell of a course.

Mark Pearce

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Golf Hotel looked relatively recently redecorated at the weekend and the website suggests it's still up and running:http://www.golfhotelsilloth.co.uk/index.htm
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Jud_T

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Scott,

Thanx for the pix.  The place looks very cool.  You forgot to mention the Overseas Membership for 250 p.a.... ;)
« Last Edit: April 30, 2010, 12:30:32 PM by Jud Tigerman »
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Jud_T

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Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Mac Plumart

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Scott...

I believed you've played some amazing courses since you wrote started this thread.  You still as high on Silloth? 



Sean...

Did you get up to play the course?  What was the result of the bet?  St. Enodoc or Silloth?  Both look amazing to me and both are one my radar screen to play one day.
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