[Cliff Hamm]

Played golf in Georgia about 2 weeks ago...ended up sick as could be and could keep nothing down for 24 hours...now I'm wondering if it was the water I drank on the course, altho no one else became ill...

[jeffwarne]

 at least we're not creating so much waste.

There are rules to follow in life.  Three of which are don't eat the snacks at the bar, don't drink from water coolers and don't eat food off street vendors in India.  I always carry my own water.  If its that hot than use a cart, don't play or bring your own.  It is in no way the responsibility of the course owners to see that people have water on the course.  What in the heck are people of thinking of here?  What is next - a guy gets hungry so the course owner has to provide food.  ONLY IN AMERICA.  I would add, the biggest bunch of whiners on earth, but that might upset folks - tee hee.


Ciao

I think of the constant complaints/solutions/comments members give me about their need for water (on every tee no less) and I love Sean's post.

WE've eliminated bottled water and the literally thousand of bottles wasted weekly/daily at each course.
Most are abandoned 1/2 full or worse.
We have installed drinking fountains in 9 locations and encourage the use of reuseable water bottles-there are a lot of complaints,but
we have far less plastic waste.

I am amazed how much water rich people drink.

I'm with Sean on this one

[Peter Galea]

What Jeff said. Didn't see his reply while typing mine.

Here's a novel concept. Water fountains.
Remember those push button things in a pedestal, before bottled water?
I installed two in strategic locations, 2 years ago.
So, along with the clubhouse and a fountain at the on course restrooms
there are four places you can get a drink of water.
Yes, there is some expense to running the lines (connected to city water)
and the fountains themselves. We have saved $$$ by not having an employee
picking up empty Igloos (r in a circle) driving them back to the clubhouse, disinfecting, using
gloves, filling with ice and water then returning to the course.  We also save the employees back
from not having to lift the 5 gallon container with 40 lbs of water back into the cooler station.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

One should drink water before playing. Here are some tips:

http://www.texasheartinstitute.org/hic/topics/hsmart/hydrate.cfm

Here is another reason to bring your own water at a public course:

http://www.turfnet.com/view_news.php?obj_id=119

Most courses in the PHX area provide bottled water as a result of the Thunderbird GC incident in 2001:

But the most serious blow came in July after about 80 teen-agers playing a tournament at the course came down with a stomach bug, the No rwalk virus that causes nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, fever and headaches.

Although the virus is a common ailment from which most victims recover quickly, one golfer from that junior tournament died. Fifteen-year-old Nils Beeman of Ahwatukee Foothills choked to death at his home on his own vomit. Last week, the Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office said that tissue testing did not find evidence of the virus in the dead youth, but the autopsy still points to the conclusion that he had been afflicted with the same ailment.

During the summer, health department officials blamed the illnesses on contaminated water or ice dispensed at the course. They then cracked down on the water and ice handling at courses throughout the Valley of the Sun. But business dropped off drastically at the Thunderbirds Golf Club while the investigation continued.

Last week Beeman's parents filed a $20 million lawsuit against Thunderbird Golf LLC, owners of the course, according to Henderson.

Here is another solution:

http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=3400551


How about using a push cart with water bottle holders?

Many private clubs provide bottled water as referenced above. Some even have their logo on the bottles.

[Chris Flamion]

You must provide water.  I don't understand how some places don't even bother to put stuff out.

My home course has about 18 water fountains over 27 holes at the complex.  All they have to do to clean them is drive around every couple of hours and spray some disinfectant on them.  Yea 18 may be overkill but mid July with 90+ and 100+ humidity they are all used.

[Shannon Wheeler]

There are several options available for water coolers that are much more sanitary than have the staff fill the at golf course maintenance. 
Par aide offer a bladder system where human hands do not come into contact with the water and ice is put around the bladder to keep the water cool.

http://www.paraide.com/safetee_water.aspx?pid=872&cid=24

Standard Golf offers an after market filtration system that fits into your exuisting water cooler.

http://www.standardgolf.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1156&category_id=21&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=66


However, the best means I have found is that since drinking water is essentially a food and beverage responsibility, is to have two sets of coolers.  Each morning the Golf Course Maintenance staff picks up a clean newly filled cooler from F&B in the kitchen area where food handling falls under a health code.  They then put the coolers out and return the previous days cooler to the kitchen.  The coolers are clened and ready for the next day.  This may not avoid legal issues, but it has to be cleaner than the present practices.

[Gary Slatter]

legally, the water jugs have to be taken in every night and disinfected.   They also have to be locked at all times. 
   

[Sean_A]

There are rules to follow in life.  Three of which are don't eat the snacks at the bar, don't drink from water coolers and don't eat food off street vendors in India.  I always carry my own water.  If its that hot than use a cart, don't play or bring your own.  It is in no way the responsibility of the course owners to see that people have water on the course.  What in the heck are people of thinking of here?  What is next - a guy gets hungry so the course owner has to provide food.  ONLY IN AMERICA.  I would add, the biggest bunch of whiners on earth, but that might upset folks - tee hee.


Ciao

Why not eat the snacks at the bar?

Ace

Didn't your folks teach you anything?  People all claim to be clean as a whistle, but we all know there are many who may wash their hands only once a day.  Lets see, how often do people go to the loo?  

Mike C

Palm Springs?  Is it nice?

This argument is crazy talk.  What if I have to go to the loo on the 3rd, but it is located on the 8th?  Is it a responsibility of the club to provide loos on all 18 holes?  You can see where this is going.  Its best to take of yourself then you are sure to be taken care of - no?

Ciao

[Craig Sweet]

We had permanent water fountains installed on the course.....two per each nine. Yes, it costs money to do this, but once done, it is done.  The top of the fountain swivels out of the way and the set up person can ice the insulated casing that the water pipes are in. It works great and the water is always ice cold. Many members bring their own water bottles and fill up at each fountain!

[Mike Cirba]

Should airlines provide water free to passengers or should each person bring their own?

[Sean_A]

Should airlines provide water free to passengers or should each person bring their own?

Mike

I spend a lot of times on planes and I always bring my own water and so should everyone else.  I don't see why the airlines should give away free water especially when we know there is no such thing as free water.  What, because the lady doesn't ask foe a buck you think its free?


Ciao

[Garland Bayley]

Should airlines provide water free to passengers or should each person bring their own?

Mike

I spend a lot of times on planes and I always bring my own water and so should everyone else.  I don't see why the airlines should give away free water especially when we know there is no such thing as free water.  What, because the lady doesn't ask foe a buck you think its free?


Ciao

I'm sorry, but I have had an awful lot of free water in my life. You are aware aren't you that the stuff falls from the sky?

[Steve Lang]

   they had little bottles of water in ice chest at ballyneal...

those who say they don't need water.. come to SE TX this weekend, it'll be in the 80's .. better yet come in july and see how much water you can drink over 18 holes

[Jason McNamara]

Yeah Steve, I was noticing that the majority of the "water every 4 holes" comments above seem to be from people outside the Cfa climate zone (DC to Knoxville to Lexington to OKC to San Antonio). 

I am not saying it can't get hot & sticky in Chicago, but that's also a location where you don't have 95* and 50% humidity for months on end*, so it's easy to avoid the worst of the worst. 

Walk a round in Houston in the middle of summer, and you can go through a bottle per hole.


* Yes, 95* and 50%, not 100% - not even in Miami.  Not even in Singapore, where the humidity at the time of daily max temperature in the summer may top out at 65%.  Sure, it's beyond miserable, but it's not 100% humidity.

[Pete_Pittock]

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Bill,
Unclean hands might have been there before you.

I keep an empty bottle in my bag and fill/refill at the coolers at my home course. I know their practices are good. At other courses I start with a couple of bottle in the bag, then tip the cart girl.

A number of years ago there was a fatality from drinking water supplied by the course, I believe in Arizona. The water cooler reflling was the duty of the greens maintenance staff.

If I am officiating at a tournament in hot weather I'll pick up a couple cases of water at the local store per day to supplement what is out there.

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