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Jim Tang

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Black Sheep in Pictures
« on: April 16, 2010, 11:41:24 PM »
There has been some recent discussion about Black Sheep so I thought I would post some pictures.  Black Sheep is located in Sugar Grove, Illinois, roughly 50 miles west of downtown Chicago.  David Esler is the designer.  He is local to the area.  I took these pictures last fall on an overcast day.  The club allows the prairie grass to grow to head height and it turns to an brownish orange color late in the year.  In the spring they'll burn the prairie down and then let it grow all summer long without cutting it.



Behind the green at the downhill par 4 1st.



The par 4 9th plays uphill, back toward the clubhouse, which rests behind the green.  The clubhouse sits on the highest point of land, with the course playing down below.



The downhill par 4 10th, which shares a tee box with the 1st.



The par 4 12th, usually playing into the wind.  The green is elevated and the first 10 feet of the putting surface has a false front.



The par 4 15th, playing back toward the clubhouse.



The bunkers right of the landing area at the 15th



The downhill par 3 16th, which has one of the few water hazards on the course; a pond short and right.



Black Sheep has 27 holes, with each nine being equally good.  Here we have the downhill par 4 19th.



The par 3 25th, measuring 130 yards, is the shortest hole on the course.  The green is elevated and surrounded by bunkers.  The hole is located at the bottom of a bowl, which makes judging wind conditions difficult. 

Ben Sims

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2010, 12:53:59 AM »
Jimbo,

Maybe conditioning and the brown hay are clouding my vision, but the course looks very playable from pictures.  The bunkers are a bit busy--especially that closeup of 15's fairway bunkering--and the greens all being above grade look a bit redundant.  I know I'm a relative rook around here, but why have I never heard of this course?  It looks like the type of course that gets some love around here.

P.S.  Murphy says hi.  He is getting excited about his new tenant--Stealth Black Cobra S2.

PCCraig

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2010, 07:53:40 AM »
Great pictures of a great place to play golf.

Thanks for sharing!
H.P.S.

Jim Colton

Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2010, 08:12:30 AM »
Jimbo,

Maybe conditioning and the brown hay are clouding my vision, but the course looks very playable from pictures.  The bunkers are a bit busy--especially that closeup of 15's fairway bunkering--and the greens all being above grade look a bit redundant.  I know I'm a relative rook around here, but why have I never heard of this course?  It looks like the type of course that gets some love around here.

P.S.  Murphy says hi.  He is getting excited about his new tenant--Stealth Black Cobra S2.

Ben,

I guess you never made it to Chapter 14 of O.D.A.A.T.  Black Sheep is very playable and has some of the widest fairways this side of Old Mac. It's all about angles into the green there.

Sean Leary

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2010, 10:46:13 AM »
Pretty bunkers. Has to be good.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2010, 10:50:23 AM »
Sean I was thinking the same. How good is the course from those who have played it.

Jud_T

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2010, 10:52:21 AM »
BS is particularly welcome in the metro chicago market which has too many mediocre tree-lined offerings.  Particularly given most of its competition, BS stands apart.  I know there's been some grumbling about the repetitive nature of the strategic challenge, but I'll take this strategic choice any day over all but a handful of clubs in chitown
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Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Anthony Gray

Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2010, 11:34:25 AM »


  Has a nice look. I like the isolation. Public or private?

  Anthony


J_ Crisham

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2010, 11:43:24 AM »
Private, All Male- nice club, spartan clubhouse,facilities. A bit repititive at times, On a windy day such as today-20-25mph gusting to 30 out of the North, almost unplayable due to the fact that there is nothing to stop it out in the cornfields. Good club but not great-I'd give it a strong 5. Much better than nearby Rich Harvest .                      Jack

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM »
I'd describe BS as a golfers club where the bull**** of a full on country club doesn't resonate with the members.

The fairways are wide but as has been said earlier they play narrower due to the angles to the green. The delight in playing BS after a week of floppy sandwedges from 18" off the greens in heavy grass was the run offs, slopes and hollows that allowed putting, chip and runs as well as the usual floppy stuff.

I love the walk of shame!!
Cave Nil Vino

Ville Nurmi

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2010, 02:29:08 PM »
Coming from northern Europe with annual dues of 800 dollars.
Is 6000 a normal price to pay on golf around Chicago?

Best,
Ville

Jud_T

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2010, 02:49:06 PM »
VN-


6000 is at the low end for private dues in Chicago.  Most clubs are almost twice that.....
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Ville Nurmi

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2010, 04:48:54 PM »
Jud,
How do you make that emoticon where your mouth is wide open? 12 000 dollars a year?
Golf is expensive in US.

Cliff Hamm

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2010, 04:54:38 PM »
Looks like plenty of room for a female outhouse to me 8)

Jon Spaulding

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2010, 08:57:01 PM »
Thanks Jim; this looks wonderful and you're lucky to spend time there.

Has a similar look to Barona.

Has Esler done anything else of interest?
You'd make a fine little helper. What's your name?

Robert Emmons

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2010, 09:17:37 PM »
How are the bunkers maintained on a daily basis? Hand raked or sand pro? looks like loads of labor...RHE

Phil McDade

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2010, 11:12:01 PM »

Has Esler done anything else of interest?

Jon:

Notably, he did a lot or all of the bunker restoration at Ravisloe, the course on Chicago's south side that is undergoing a private-to-public transition. He's also done restoration work at Lake Geneva CC, one of Wisconsin's oldest clubs, originally by one of the Foulis brothers. He did a bit of work at Flossmoor before Ray Hearn took over the major portion of the restoration there. He also lists Evanston CC on his resume, which Shivas among others has noted as much improved since his work.

Some other projects listed here:

http://www.eslergolf.com/index.html

Matthew Hunt

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2010, 04:38:22 AM »
I can kind of understand the logic of not having female members, but what reason is there for not letting them play?

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2010, 06:34:15 AM »
Matthew - private club and they want to be men only. I'm delighted to be a member of a mixed club but have no issues if somewhere wants to be single sex.
Cave Nil Vino

Jim Tang

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2010, 11:22:17 AM »
Robert -

Good observation on the bunkers.  They are difficult to maintain, especially since there are 27 holes at Black Sheep.  They use both machines and have crews rake them by hand.  For these reasons, the bunkers are not always maintained the way they should be, especially after it rains.



Matthew Hunt

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2010, 11:27:58 AM »
Matthew - private club and they want to be men only. I'm delighted to be a member of a mixed club but have no issues if somewhere wants to be single sex.

I have no problem with male only clubs, it just seems obnoxious and backward not to let feamales even to come on-site!

Tim Nugent

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2010, 11:42:36 AM »
Built by Wadsworth.  Had a shaper come to one of my jobs and said if heard or saw pictures of "Sand Hills" one more time he'd come unglued.
Coasting is a downhill process

Adam Clayman

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Re: Black Sheep in Pictures
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2010, 12:00:57 PM »
Jim Tang, I'm curious about your comment about how the bunkers should be maintained. Do you mean meticulously? Naturally?

The only thing I can tell from these photos, that looks like it could be improved upon, are some of the mow lines in front of the bunkers. There's a couple of pics that show an arbitrary line, rather than an attempt to blend in with the lines of the features they are adjacent.  Let alone having the rough protect the bunker from an errant roll out. 

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