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Melvyn Morrow


It has been suggested to me by an American friend that having been weaned from an early age on the importance of course etiquette, I have more of a desire to uphold them than others.

I find it difficult to believe that other golfers do not abide by them, because it helps to make the game fast and safe for all with the emphasis clearly on safety.

Also the quality and duration of our rounds could be improved if we all honour the rules and show some consideration towards other players. To that end I attach a Guide to Golf Etiquette, some will see that safety, self-discipline and consideration for others on the course are key factors, perhaps every golfer and certainly the Professionals should be reminded of them from time to time. As I am certain that many of us would not take kindly if some where to think that they are above the law. Although at times I wonder how many on GCA.com actually consider course etiquette is really important.     



                                                                      A Guide to Golf Etiquette
Golf is an ancient sport with many rules and regulations especially regarding etiquette. Historically golf is known as a gentlemen’s sport, but more recently has been accepted as a gentlewoman’s sport as well. The game of golf is one for those who can maintain a calm, cool and collected manner. Maximum enjoyment for all can be achieved when players adhere to a high standard of rules and etiquette.

The Spirit of the Game
Individual integrity and good sportsmanship are expected of each player. There are no referees or supervisors so each player must monitor himself. Conducting oneself in a disciplined manner is expected on the course and off.

• Golf Digest: Features a golf etiquette article by Arnold Palmer
• Wellesley College Golf: Encourages players to abide by etiquette guidelines
• United States Golf Association: Covers Golf Etiquette 101
• Livestrong: Video addresses golf etiquette in general

Safety
The proximity of fellow players should be considered at all times to ensure the utmost safety. Before swinging a club the location of other players should be determined. In addition, one should look to the course to make sure everyone is out of range. Shout warning (fore) if a ball may hit someone.

• Play Gold America: PGA, USGA, and LPGA gives information about golf safety
• All New Golf: Addresses golf safety
• Golf Genesis: Golf cart safety
• Peover Golf Club: Talks about etiquette is vital for safe play

Consideration for Other Players
Looking out for fellow players is considered good manners, this means keeping quiet, staying clear of the another’s line when putting on the green, and being honest when keeping score. Treat others as you want to be treated.

No Disturbances or Distraction—maintaining quiet and staying still is a must when others are playing, make sure cell phones are off and do not converse with others. Do not tee until it is your turn and make sure not to stand behind the ball or near a hole.
Putting on the Green—do not stand in another player’s line or cast a shadow.
Scoring—there are no official scorekeepers in golf, each player is responsible for himself. Scoring fairly and accurately will earn other’s respect. Check with other players concerning your score on the way to the next tee.

• Golf Information: Offers beginner tips on golf etiquette
• Skylarks Golf Society: Talks about honoring fellow players
• Grand Valley State University: Addresses how to keep score
• BERA Golf: Discusses scoring

Pace of Play
Keeping up a steady pace is a must when playing within the standards of good etiquette.
Play and Keep Up at Good Pace—consider other groups at play. If a group catches up to you then it is expected to let them play through regardless of size.
Be Ready to Play—paying attention to the game at hand will ensure that you are ready to play when it is your turn.
Lost Ball—if a ball is lost in a hazard or out of bounds the player should signal for others to play through while his ball is located.

• R & A, St. Andrews St. Andrews offers articles and videos on golf play
• Monroe Country Club MCC elaborates on maintaining a good pace for golf
• City of Wichita Golfing Tips: Videos discuss pace of play
• Airlane Golf Club: Talks about keeping a good pace at golf

Priority on the Course
Precedence is given according to pace of play. Those playing a shorter round will acquiescence to those playing a full round.
• New Zealand Golf: Elaborates on priority on the golf course
• Chipping Sodbury Golf Club: Talks about playing through
• Niddry Castle Golf Club: Discusses waving through fellow players

Care of the Course
Be aware of damage caused by you or one of your group while playing. Leave the course as you found it with no signs you were there.
Bunkers—fill in all holes or gouges to the course, use a rake if necessary
Repair of Divots—repair any divots made, marks made by ball impact or damage from golf shoes.
Preventing Unnecessary Damage—do not throw down your club in anger, avoid damage caused by practice swings, handle the flag stick as not to damage the green, do not use your club to remove a ball from a hole, and follow all golf cart rules, abiding by the 90-degree rule (keep cart on the designated path until you are even with the ball on fairway.)
• PGA: Professional Golfers’ Association features a section on maintaining the course during play
• What is Golf: Discusses preventing and fixing damage to the golf course
• A Site for Golf: Shares rules for the greens
• Tips for Beginner Golfers: Talks about caring for the course

Penalties for Breach
Golf is an affable sport when all players follow the rules and practice good golf etiquette. Those who handle themselves in an unsportsmanlike manner with little or no regard to the course or others will be penalized. Golf courses reserve the right to take away a player's privileges for a period of time.

• The Rules of Golf in Plain English: Covers golf rule for breach and sites a reason for a player’s ban
• Golf Training Aids: Discusses rule regarding breach of etiquette
• St Andrews: Video addressing golf course etiquette


Any thoughts?

Melvyn

Michael Moore

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2010, 09:44:29 AM »
Melvyn -

I would have to agree that the part where it says

"follow all golf cart rules, abiding by the 90-degree rule (keep cart on the designated path until you are even with the ball on fairway.)"

is a vital element of golf course etiquette that cannot be restated often enough. Thank you for the reminder.
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J Sadowsky

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2010, 10:47:14 AM »
I care about golf etiquitte, but I take priority on Pace of Play, so some of the etiquitte regarding who plays first I'm more than willing to ignore unless we're talking about a real tournament or serious money.

Garland Bayley

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2010, 11:00:39 AM »
Melvyn,

I trust you have the resources cited. Can any of them be linked to?

I also would suggest that what is becoming a more common practice of playing "ready golf" can or should take the place in etiquette of giving honors when not playing tournaments.

"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

PCCraig

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2010, 11:02:55 AM »
Melvyn-

Perhaps you should read a guide to common etiquette.
H.P.S.

Garland Bayley

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2010, 11:40:59 AM »
Melvyn-

Perhaps you should read a guide to common etiquette.

Yes, Pat.

Common etiquette says that if someone makes a statement trying to promote etiquette, then you shouldn't make disrespectful comments in reply.

Get over yourself.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

George Pazin

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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2010, 11:54:12 AM »
Nice thoughts on etiquette. The only thing I'd add is that I don't think the unwillingness to harp on others' breaches is poor etiquette. I think it's a little unfair to suggest no one cares merely because many aren't rushing to condemn others. Some of us prefer to quietly observe and do our best.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

noonan

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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2010, 12:12:07 PM »
Melvin,

Why would you post this here? I assume all the posters here have good etiquette.

Is it a slow news day on the Tiger front?

Please post something relevant to golf course architecture or do not post.

Mark Woodger

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2010, 12:14:21 PM »
one piece of etiquette that really really bothers me when it is not followed is the practice of letting people through when you are falling behind the group in front.

i can't remember ever being let through on a US public course and what maybe bothers me even more is that marshalls (or "ambasadors" as Dyker Beach calls them) do not enforce a pace of play and insist that groups let people through if appropriate.


Etiqutte at public courses is horrific at private course it is much much better but still not perfect (i think perfection is not possible as there will always be some who don't care). one example is a friend who asked the group in front at a public course who were very slow to try and speed up as they were falling behind. he was simple told "go fxck yourself".

a noble goal melvyn but unfotunately there are some in society who don't care about others enjoyment and will go about their golf however they want.

Melvyn Morrow

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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2010, 12:53:21 PM »

Jerry

May I suggest that you read my fist line or two at the beginning of the post. As for Tiger, again I refer you to other past post where I confirmed that I do not like, hate or consider Tiger very much during my days or nights come to that. I care for the safety and consideration factor, clearly you can’t seem to understand the word SAFETY or CONSIDERATION or perhaps even the word COURTESY

You show a lot of class not to mention authority, when did you take over the site? Love the kind and considerate way you have when making a point. Anyway as to posting something relevant to GCA I think the course rules and etiquette are important and should be considered within the overall package, so IHMO I feel they have a valid place on this site.

Melvyn

As for the article

‘A Guide To Course Etiquette’ Please do not think that it is my work, it is not but I thought it had much merit so posted it on GCA.com. Mentioned in the guide was a reference to The Rules of Golf in Plain English which might be of some more interest to those that care about such things.

Golf Etiquette

from The Rules of Golf in Plain English

Jeffrey S. Kuhn and Bryan A. Garner
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1. be courteous on the course.

(a) The Spirit of the Game. Golf is almost always played without a referee or umpire, so it's up to the players to make the game fair and enjoyable for everyone. Be courteous and show consideration for other players. Play by the rules, no matter how high or low the stakes are. This is the spirit of golf.
(b) Safety. Before playing a stroke or making a practice swing, make sure that no one is standing nearby. You shouldn't risk hitting someone with the club. But more than that, you shouldn't kick up any stones, pebbles, twigs, or turf that might hit someone. If you see greenstaff nearby or ahead of you, warn them before the stroke. And if you hit the ball and then realize that it might strike someone, immediately shout "fore!"
(c) Consideration. Three points. First, whoever has the honor should be allowed to play before anyone else. On the teeing ground, don't tee your ball before it's your turn to play. Second, never move, talk, make unnecessary noise, or stand close to or directly behind someone who's addressing the ball or making a stroke. If you have an electronic device of any kind with you, turn it off or set it to alert you silently. And on the putting green, never cast a shadow on or stand in another player's line of putt. Third, never play until the players in front of you are out of range.
(d) Scoring. In stroke play, if you're the one keeping score, make sure you record each player's score correctly before you get to the next tee.
(e) Pace of Play. Play without delay. It's in everyone's interest. If you believe your ball may be lost outside a water hazard or out of bounds, play a provisional ball to save time. (For the correct procedure, see Rule 27.2.) If you're searching for a ball, signal the players behind you to pass as soon as it becomes apparent that the ball won't easily be found. Don't search for five minutes before doing this. And then, when a group is playing through, wait until those players are out of range before continuing to play. When you've finished playing a hole, leave the putting green immediately. If your group ever fails to keep its place on the course and loses more than one clear hole on the players in front, invite the group following you to play through. The Committee may establish pace-of-play guidelines for players to follow.

2. understand priority on the course.

In the absence of special rules, a group's pace of play determines priority. A group playing a whole round gets to play through a group playing a shorter round.

3. take care of the course.

(a) Holes in Bunkers. Before leaving a bunker, carefully fill up and smooth over all holes and footprints—even the ones you didn't make. If a rake is available, use it.
(b) Divots, Ball-Marks, and Spike Marks. Carefully repair all divots and ball-marks that you make. On the greens, quickly repair any noticeable ball-marks that other groups have made. Once you complete a hole, quickly repair any spike marks left on the green.
(c) Avoiding Damage with a Club. When you take a practice swing—particularly on the tee—avoid making a divot (which damages the course unnecessarily). Never pound the clubhead into the ground.
(d) Damage to Greens. When putting down a bag, be careful not to damage the green or the fringe. When handling the flagstick, don't damage the hole—as you might through careless mishandling of the flagstick or by standing too close to the hole. When standing on the green, don't lean on your putter, particularly when you're removing the ball from the hole. Once you've finished the hole, put the flagstick back carefully, in a perfectly upright position.
(e) Golf Carts. Strictly follow all local notices regulating the movement of golf carts.

4. you can be penalized for breaches of etiquette.

(a) Disqualification. Under Rule 33.1(b), the Committee may disqualify a player who commits a serious breach of etiquette.
(b) Ban from Playing. If you continually ignore these etiquette guidelines, you may (among other penalties) be barred from playing on the course for a certain period or from participating in a set number of tournaments.
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Garland Bayley

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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2010, 01:52:13 PM »
...
Why would you post this here? I assume all the posters here have good etiquette.
...

On that point you would be wrong.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

John Moore II

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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2010, 02:52:35 PM »
I think a great number of people care about course etiquette, but the problem comes with the fact that so few people really know what etiquette truly is. I feel like I am a fairly courteous person, and do all that I can to follow the proper conventions of 'niceness' on the golf course. And when given the chance, I try to help people learn more about the right way to act. However, often times, I don't feel comfortable telling people what they have done wrong. There are a few reasons for this: one, I'm fairly young and I am unsure how to approach older people who have been playing far longer than I have and telling them they did something wrong OR, and this is a big one, I sometimes don't want to really seem like I am coming down on new golfers because I don't want to drive them away from the game because they think I'm a pompous jerk. I think there might be a number of other people who think the same way.

However, one part of etiquette that I often throw to the side is order of play. As far as I am concerned, play when you are ready. It makes play faster and often times more fun. Keeps people from waiting around when they are ready. This goes from Tee to green, so long as you are not in front of someone when they are trying to play or have to stand in a line of putt in order to play.

But other than that, I like to think I follow the conventions of etiquette fairly well. (and I try to teach others as much as possible)

Adam Clayman

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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2010, 03:11:39 PM »
Thanks for posting this Melvyn. I've copied it and will print out for the local golf team, here.

The importance of etiquette cannot be over stated. Living on the Monterey Peninsula was the only place I've lived where the majority of golfers practiced proper etiquette all the time. It's one of the key reason's why I consider it USA's golfing kingdom.

JKM, I know exactly how you feel about not bothering some people. Straightforward is probably the best, most honest and least emotional way to approach others on the first tee about it. I was able to sum it up with "I don't really care where you stand, but please don't move"

The enjoyment of a round, with considerate individuals, is more important than the quality of the architecture. Especially if your desire is to score as well as you can.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Garland Bayley

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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2010, 03:29:36 PM »
I HAVE THE LINK! And, I have bookmarked it.

http://www.gourmetgiftbaskets.com/A-Guide-To-Golf-Etiquette.asp

Enjoy!
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2010, 03:56:14 PM »
Melvyn says "Although at times I wonder how many on GCA.com actually consider course etiquette is really important."

You have never played with any member of the GolfClubAtlas discussion board as far as I know, and even made a point of planning to avoid an outing we plan for an area where you'll be in September (Burnham & Berrow).  As far as I know, you have never communicated with any member of GCA.com other than in cyberspace, yet you make a statement like the one above which I think would require personal observation to confirm.

I can only tell you of my personal experience - I've played golf over 55 years now, and can assure you that I have never played with a group as consistently sensitive to the rules of etiquette in particular and of traditional golf in general as these GCA folks.  I really object to your blatant stereotyping and feel you owe the group an apology.

Thanks.

Garland Bayley

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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2010, 04:22:31 PM »
Melvyn says "Although at times I wonder how many on GCA.com actually consider course etiquette is really important."

You have never played with any member of the GolfClubAtlas discussion board as far as I know, and even made a point of planning to avoid an outing we plan for an area where you'll be in September (Burnham & Berrow).  As far as I know, you have never communicated with any member of GCA.com other than in cyberspace, yet you make a statement like the one above which I think would require personal observation to confirm.

I can only tell you of my personal experience - I've played golf over 55 years now, and can assure you that I have never played with a group as consistently sensitive to the rules of etiquette in particular and of traditional golf in general as these GCA folks.  I really object to your blatant stereotyping and feel you owe the group an apology.

Thanks.

Bill,

I think stereotyping would involve saying something to the effect of "In general the members of GCA.com have poor etiquette."

If you notice the difference there, then the next thing to take notice of is that there have been several members of this forum that post they will play at their own pace since after all they have paid the money to access the great courses and they are entitled to do so.

Finally, you will notice that there have been reports of slow play posted on this website concerning GCA gatherings. I for one, can report that the pre-opening gathering at Chambers Bay proceeded at a glacial pace, so much so that the last two groups joined together and still waited. I made the pairings for that event, and made the mistake of putting the low handicappers out first and the high handicappers out last.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2010, 05:40:00 PM »
Melvyn says "Although at times I wonder how many on GCA.com actually consider course etiquette is really important."

You have never played with any member of the GolfClubAtlas discussion board as far as I know, and even made a point of planning to avoid an outing we plan for an area where you'll be in September (Burnham & Berrow).  As far as I know, you have never communicated with any member of GCA.com other than in cyberspace, yet you make a statement like the one above which I think would require personal observation to confirm.

I can only tell you of my personal experience - I've played golf over 55 years now, and can assure you that I have never played with a group as consistently sensitive to the rules of etiquette in particular and of traditional golf in general as these GCA folks.  I really object to your blatant stereotyping and feel you owe the group an apology.

Thanks.

Bill,

I think stereotyping would involve saying something to the effect of "In general the members of GCA.com have poor etiquette."

If you notice the difference there, then the next thing to take notice of is that there have been several members of this forum that post they will play at their own pace since after all they have paid the money to access the great courses and they are entitled to do so.

Finally, you will notice that there have been reports of slow play posted on this website concerning GCA gatherings. I for one, can report that the pre-opening gathering at Chambers Bay proceeded at a glacial pace, so much so that the last two groups joined together and still waited. I made the pairings for that event, and made the mistake of putting the low handicappers out first and the high handicappers out last.


Garland, do you consider slow play and lack of etiquette to be synonymous?  In my experience what the group(s) ahead of you do can have a major impact on the pace of play, so I think that statement could be distorting many situtaitions.

In my opinion an egregious example of poor etiquette would be 18 holes of capering, grab ass and horseplay for the camera while playing a fine course as someone's guest, but that's just me.

Garland Bayley

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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2010, 06:24:35 PM »
Bill,

The materials posted define how slow play is lacking in etiquette.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2010, 08:39:32 PM by Garland Bayley »
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2010, 07:03:46 PM »
Bill,

The materials posted define how slop play is lacking in etiquette.


I agree that "slop play" is lacking in etiquette.

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2010, 07:06:33 PM »
Bill,

The materials posted define how slop play is lacking in etiquette.


So you choose to ignore part II of my post #16?   ??? ::) ;D

Garland Bayley

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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2010, 07:32:36 PM »
Bill,

The materials posted define how slop play is lacking in etiquette.


So you choose to ignore part II of my post #16?   ??? ::) ;D

I see the meaning of part II now. I don't know the definition of your term GA, so that did not make sense to me. I took your mention of guest to include in the host present, but I see now you did not mean that. I will note that when the host did drop by, he engaged in what I have to assume you meant by horseplay and in picture taking. For horseplay that might have been unwelcomed, permission was asked and granted. And there was what I felt to be an extreme breach of etiquette during that round that didn't come from Anthony or me.

Now, if you would care to read the definition of etiquette provided by Melvyn, and point out where I breached such etiquette, then I would be happy to learn from it. Myself, I did not see anywhere in there a prohibition of being happy while playing golf.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Patrick_Mucci

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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2010, 07:40:11 PM »
MHM,

I'm with you.

The opening Section of the USGA Rule Book, Section I is entitled, "Etiquette; Behavior on the Course"

It's an integral part of the foundation of the game.

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2010, 08:29:29 PM »
Bill,

The materials posted define how slop play is lacking in etiquette.


So you choose to ignore part II of my post #16?   ??? ::) ;D

I see the meaning of part II now. I don't know the definition of your term GA, so that did not make sense to me. I took your mention of guest to include in the host present, but I see now you did not mean that. I will note that when the host did drop by, he engaged in what I have to assume you meant by horseplay and in picture taking. For horseplay that might have been unwelcomed, permission was asked and granted. And there was what I felt to be an extreme breach of etiquette during that round that didn't come from Anthony or me.

Now, if you would care to read the definition of etiquette provided by Melvyn, and point out where I breached such etiquette, then I would be happy to learn from it. Myself, I did not see anywhere in there a prohibition of being happy while playing golf.


Enough was enough then, and enough is enough now.

John Moore II

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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2010, 08:35:46 PM »
MHM,

I'm with you.

The opening Section of the USGA Rule Book, Section I is entitled, "Etiquette; Behavior on the Course"

It's an integral part of the foundation of the game.

Pat-I don't think anyone disagrees that proper etiquette is an integral part of the game of golf. But how do you go about telling someone who is new to the game or otherwise doing something wrong without sounding like a jerk and running people away from the game? Certainly the private club side is far different, but being a simple public course guy, from a business point of view, I'd rather have a course full of guys who weren't using the best etiquette (certainly not tearing up the course though) than have a mostly empty course, with 6 or 8 golfers who all were perfectly courteous and used exactly proper etiquette. But thats just the business side. Get them out there, I'll do what I can to teach them better etiquette.

Jamey Bryan

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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2010, 08:37:52 PM »
Pat, I'm with you AND Bill.  Etiquette is an integral part of the foundation of the game.

However, I'm with Bill in that I'm tired of Melvyn's denigration of any and everybody's conduct/intelligence from this side of the pond.  In the past year, he's contributed zero of intelligent, useful commentary on golf course architecture, but has consistently been an ass on several subjects.

As with Bill, I've spent a fair amount of time with GCA participants............   As a group, they are the most polite, etiquette minded folks you will run into.  Any implication to the contrary is unfounded.

Jamey


(I will admit to still getting some grief about the time the Dixie Cup folks took.....   average of about 3.5 hours.  Still not bad considering it was the first time they'd see the Camden greens)

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