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John Chilver-Stainer

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Who added the green bunkers at ANGC and why?
« on: April 12, 2010, 04:14:35 AM »
Looking at the pictures on TV of ANGC, the course is stunning, and strategic options for the approach, dictated by some of the greens contours and surrounds, shine through.

The ariel photo of the course in it’s infancy shows very few bunkers around the greens. It got me to thinking WHY were they put in?





Side and back bunkers don’t really add difficulty for the Tour Players - if anything they are “saving” bunkers avoiding the ball bouncing off into the undergrowth and making life easier.

Could it be they were added for the members?




Patrick_Mucci

Re: Who added the green bunkers at ANGC and why?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2010, 08:00:57 AM »
I'm more interested in why and when the massive bunker on # 14 was removed.

"The Making of the Masters" by David Owen gives a nice hole by hole description, including details regarding changes.

Other than # 13, which greens are you indicating had bunkers added subsequent to opening ?

John Chilver-Stainer

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Re: Who added the green bunkers at ANGC and why?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2010, 10:33:38 AM »
Thanks for the “David Owen” book tip, I must read it some time.

I don’t pretend to be an expert on the history of the evolution of the ANGC bunkers - but purely from observation of this aerial one can see the 2nd,  7th, 8th, 15th and 17th have no greenside bunkers.  Other greens are off the picture so I can’t comment.

Of course an explanation would be the arial photo is taken during the construction or grow-in period and the bunkers have still to be cut.

With some minimal research (by checking out the “Masters” website), some of my questions have been answered by the  useful “Brief History” comments.

“In 1935 the 1st hole featured a bunker on the left side of the fairway. It was later removed. A left-front greenside bunker was added in 1951.”

“Originally, the 2nd green was guarded by a lone bunker on the right side. It was reduced in size in 1966. The left bunker was added in 1946.

“Architect Alister Mackenzie believed the 3rd hole to be nearly perfect in design. Thus, this green has been changed less than any other on the golf course.

“The 4th green resembled a boomerang in shape in 1935. It's now a bit wider, the bend slightly less extreme, but the hole remains an elusive target.

“The Road Hole of the Old Course at St. Andrews inspired the design of No. 5 at Augusta National. Bob Jones initially disapproved of the fairway bunkers.

“In the 1930s, the elevated 6th green was fronted by a stream; in the 1950s, by a pond. The hazard rarely came into play and was removed in 1959.

“The 7th hole lacked character until Horton Smith, the 1934 and 1936 Masters champion, suggested that the green be rebuilt and bunkers added.

“The mounds surrounding No. 8 green were removed in 1956 to improve sight lines for spectators. Byron Nelson supervised their restoration in 1979.

“The original 9th green had a more extreme 'false front' than the current green. Shots landing there invariably rolled back down the fairway.

“In 1935 the 10th green was positioned right of the huge fairway bunker. In 1937 it was moved to the rise beyond the bunker, making No. 10 a demanding par 4”

“Prior to 1950, Masters competitors had to contend with Rae's Creek, which fronted the 11th green, on their approach shots. Now they face a larger pond.”

“The 12th hole was a heartbreaker from the start. Its fickle winds, narrow green and proximity to the water have thwarted many runs for the Masters title.”

“More discovered than designed, the 13th  hole was a field originally. Virtually all Alister Mackenzie had to do was build a green on the far side of the stream.

“No. 14 is the only hole on the course without a bunker. A fairway bunker right of the tee shot landing area was removed after the 1952 Tournament.

“In 1935 the 15th green had no greenside bunker. Bob Jones firmly believed that all par 5s should be within reach of two shots by better players.

“Alister Mackenzie's original 16th hole resembled the 12th, but it was too easy for Masters competitors. In 1947 a pond was built and the green moved right.

“The original 17th green, undefended by bunkers, was designed to accept run-up shots. Now, front bunkers make lofted approaches a safer bet.

“Even in its original form, the 18th green had two distinct tiers. The terrain surrounding it has been contoured to allow good sight lines for spectators.”


Hopefully the GCA historians can throw in some interesting info for us to enjoy?

However, purely from observation, I would guess the 12th, 13th  and 16th all have “Saving” bunkers to assist the Members play rather than any strategic value.


John Chilver-Stainer

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Re: Who added the green bunkers at ANGC and why?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2010, 10:58:32 AM »
Here's the numbering superimposed on the arial,


TEPaul

Re: Who added the green bunkers at ANGC and why?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2010, 01:29:27 PM »
"The 7th hole lacked character until Horton Smith, the 1934 and 1936 Masters champion, suggested that the green be rebuilt and bunkers added."


I thought the 7th green and greenside bunkers was a Perry Maxwell redesign in the 1930s. Maybe Horton Smith suggested something be done with it and ANGC got Maxwell to do it.

Tony Ristola

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Re: Who added the green bunkers at ANGC and why?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2010, 05:23:21 PM »
I'm more interested in why and when the massive bunker on # 14 was removed.

"The Making of the Masters" by David Owen gives a nice hole by hole description, including details regarding changes.

Other than # 13, which greens are you indicating had bunkers added subsequent to opening ?
That is a great book, an interesting read.

There is still one bunker shot that gets the pro's goat...  Downhill with the green sloping away... add hitting toward water and we witnessed some tense moments and great comeback putts.  I'm not too big on the look; they fit on 12, on 13 much less so.

Geoff Shackelford's Golden Age shows bunkers behind 13 as scrapes in the hillside; nothing like the humongous flashes today.

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Link Walsh

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Re: Who added the green bunkers at ANGC and why?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2010, 05:25:06 PM »
I think I remember reading somewhere that the 7th green when rebuilt was also moved back up the hillside to its present location.  Before, it was like a 300 yard hole with no real trouble whatsoever.  

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Who added the green bunkers at ANGC and why?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2010, 10:16:49 PM »
The original 7th had no bunkers, but, a very interesting green, a sketch of which appears in the 1934 program.

The green was relocated and changed in 1938 by Maxwell after suggestions from Horton Smith.

There's a 1948 ground level photo of the hole along with a current photo in "The Masters"

Today, the hole appears a bit clausterphobic.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Who added the green bunkers at ANGC and why?
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2010, 08:40:15 AM »
The original 7th had no bunkers, but, a very interesting green, a sketch of which appears in the 1934 program.

The green was relocated and changed in 1938 by Maxwell after suggestions from Horton Smith.

There's a 1948 ground level photo of the hole along with a current photo in "The Masters"

Today, the hole appears a bit clausterphobic.

Pat,

My point exactly... the 7th was perhaps a interesting hole when 1st created, but since then has deformed into a penal old wench!!  ;)

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Who added the green bunkers at ANGC and why?
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2010, 10:39:16 AM »
Does the picture not beg one to ask...where did all the tress come from..?
is this what Mackenzie had in mind ?
I am really playing devils advocate here, as this is the usual question peopel ask when they see old aeriels from Pine Valley and question Crump et al's original intent?