[mike_beene]

Put those eyesores right down the middle.Paint them green or brown.They look bad anyway so lets give an accuracy speed slot and speed up the cart path only courses.I think it would look and play better.

[Ken Moum]

The nine-holer in Presho, South Dakota did that way.

Gravel paths, and much of the time the fairways are that color anyway.

I should have taken a pic last time I was back up there.

K

[Mike Nuzzo]

you could put astroturf over them?

[Ken Moum]

you could put astroturf over them?

Better yet, use one of the permeable paving system that grass can grow through.

K

[Brett_Morrissy]

Better yet, use one of the permeable paving system that grass can grow through.

K
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ken - what is the permeable paving system that grass grows through?
Brett

[David Schofield]

I've designed a couple of sites, mostly fire lanes and low use parking areas, that utilized a product called GrassPave from Invisible Structures, Inc.  http://grasspave.com/brochures/golf_brochure.pdf  The problem would be delineation of the path.

[John Moore II]

I've designed a couple of sites, mostly fire lanes and low use parking areas, that utilized a product called GrassPave from Invisible Structures, Inc.  http://grasspave.com/brochures/golf_brochure.pdf  The problem would be delineation of the path.

What would be the benefit of this though? Just a slightly firmer strip of grass? I am not sure how this would work or if it would work at all.

Why don't people use rock or sand based cart paths? They can work just as well if designed correctly. Just have to make sure no trees are nearby them, otherwise, roots may be an issue.

Anyone ever notice that Pinehurst #2 has cartpaths? Possibly not, because they're all sand. The one time I weaseled my way on #2 to play, I actually played off the cart path on hole #1. No big deal, just packed sand. Why would this not work elsewhere?

[David Schofield]

I don't know if it would work for a cart path.  For my projects we used it because the rings are strong enough to support vehicles (including fire trucks) and prevent the surface from compaction and, eventually, becoming a muddy mess.  The grass ends up sitting in the little pockets between and within the rings.  It grows over so you can't see the product.  Hitting a golf ball off of it probably wouldn't be very pleasant...

I agree that hardpacked sand is a great cartpath.  Tobacco Road uses this sort of path extensively (Holes #6 and #17 come to mind immediately).

[John Moore II]

I don't know if it would work for a cart path.  For my projects we used it because the rings are strong enough to support vehicles (including fire trucks) and prevent the surface from compaction and, eventually, becoming a muddy mess.  The grass ends up sitting in the little pockets between and within the rings.  It grows over so you can't see the product.  Hitting a golf ball off of it probably wouldn't be very pleasant...

I agree that hardpacked sand is a great cartpath.  Tobacco Road uses this sort of path extensively (Holes #6 and #17 come to mind immediately).

Tobacco Road does it in a few places, but not extensively, I wouldn't say. PGA Village (Dye) and The President CC (Eagle) in Florida have cart paths that are exclusively hard packed sand/shell material. (Well, Dye might have paved paths in a few areas around tees, but I don't think so) Those work out great and obviously must stand up to a good amount of rain. I think those are certainly the way to go if you can get it to work.

[Ken Moum]

ken - what is the permeable paving system that grass grows through?
Brett

There are a number of them.  

I don't remember and product names, but I used to see press releases from them when I was doing a newsletter for golf course superintendents.

Here are some I found in a quick search

http://www.paversearch.com/grass-pavers-introduction.htm
http://www.pavestone.com/content/view/229/
(this is what I was thinking of, as they are actually pavers.)

Other variations:

http://www.grassypavers.com/
http://www.sitefabric.com/tufftrack_grass_pavers.htm
http://www.terrafirmenterprises.com/
http://www.invisiblestructures.com/grasspave2.html
http://www.invisiblestructures.com/
http://www.boddingtons.us/ground-reinforcement/porous-grass-pavers.htm
http://www.rehbeinsolutions.com/technology/Netpave50/netpave50.html

[Melvyn Morrow]

The final solution for the cart problem – The rental should reflect the full cost of the cart tracks which Walkers are exempt from paying any part.

The Doak’s Option when carts are finally removed from the golf course the underground cart tracks revert back to water/drainage tunnels – what a clever man   

                       

The super cart highway will reduce a round to under 3 hours

           

For their total disregard for golf and its traditions make the buggers pay and hide their embarrassment underground
 


Melvyn

PS Trolls live underground so should those using carts for their betrayal to the traditions of golf

[Bill_McBride]

I've designed a couple of sites, mostly fire lanes and low use parking areas, that utilized a product called GrassPave from Invisible Structures, Inc.  http://grasspave.com/brochures/golf_brochure.pdf  The problem would be delineation of the path.

About 15 years ago I was at a huge trade fair in Dusseldorf, Germany.  All the parking lots were paved with semi-pervious concrete pavers that had grass growing in the voids.   There must have been 30 or 40 acres.  Very neat and green, would make terrific cart paths or maintenance roads.

[John Moore II]

I think if people were willing to make a little more effort, cart paths could be more easily hidden. They make 'dyes' for concrete. So it would be fairly easy to dye the concrete a green or brown color and blend it in with either grass, pine straw or any number of other things. (And for those who try to say I'm wrong, whatever, I've poured more concrete than I care to remember, I know it would not be terribly easy to dye 5 miles of concrete, but it wouldn't be terribly hard either) At least with some dye, it wouldn't be as intrusive as a plain gray path.

[Tim Nugent]

John, it just comes down to cost for the dye.  I have seen some acid etches that can stain existing concrete.

[John Moore II]

John, it just comes down to cost for the dye.  I have seen some acid etches that can stain existing concrete.

I'm guessing here, its been a long time since I poured any concrete and never used the dye (which is a colored powder not a liquid) on any large scale, but I would guess the additional cost would be 10% or so above the normal cost. To tell the truth, I don't know how much the green sand costs, but you could use that rather than standard builders sand if the cost was not too high. Typically the ratio is 4 parts sand-1 part cement mix, so the green should show through pretty good in that case. In the same way, you could probably use a dried red clay (literally no clue if this would in fact work) to get a redish-brown color. There are ways to get a different color in the concrete mix.

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