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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2002, 08:15:10 PM »
Gib,
Here is a link to one of the two chapters in CT. Personally I cannot see the subversiveness of this:  

http://www.ewgafairfield.com/

I believe your opinions regarding the health of girl's and women's golf hold much merit and you offer good solutions to many problems, here and in your newspaper articles. Positive criticism helps, the negative criticism by some to Title IX and personal orientation adds nothing.  

Patrick,
The women have grown their tour from $500.00 total purses to over $1.19 mil per event. That is not too bad from a bunch of faceless, humorless, self absorbed, women who had no organization of club pros backing them from their inception.
As for personalities: Dottie Pepper pumps her fist, shows her fierce competiveness and stalks around like a caged lion. What happens to her, she basically gets herself ripped another a**hole  ???
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Rick Shefchik

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Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2002, 11:02:42 PM »
Interesting discussion. I was pondering the same question Sunday afternoon as I watched the last 3 holes of the Nabisco -- an alleged major.

It was as tepid a finish to a one-shot victory in a major golf tournament as I could possibly imagine. I honestly got the feeling that 70 percent of the crowd had no idea what was going on; at the 18th, when Lisolette Neumann had a 15-footer to force a playoff, it was a moment that would have been dripping with tension in any men's major, but you'd have thought by the crowd's reaction to the Neumann's miss that it was a Tuesday practice round.

That's precisely what the LPGA lacks: drama.

It has nothing directly to do with personality or camera-friendliness -- though a Nancy Lopez could inderectly inject drama into an otherwise ho-hum event because the crowds liked her so much and pulled for her to add to her stack of wins.

But drama normally emerges through tough, tense competition in a challenging setting. The Rancho Mirage course looked like the easiest set-up I'd ever seen for a significant golf tournament; on the 18th hole, Neumann pushed her drive into the rough and still had a good lie, from which she managed to find a fairway bunker with a metal wood; Sorenstam, meanwhile, yanked her layup shot way left into the rough -- but still well wide of a parallel water hazard that apparently couldn't be found by a blindfolded Ian Baker-Finch. Even so, both ended up with birdie putts inside 20 feet. No wonder the crowd couldn't seem to get worked up about this showdown.

The Women's Open at Blackwolf Run has been alluded to earlier on this thread, and anyone who watched that tournament knows the difference between the Nabisco bore-athon and a true major. That Open had enough drama to keep golf fans talking about it for weeks -- particularly Se Ri Pak's recovery shot as she stood in the river. Pak doesn't have much personality;her opponent Jenny Chasiraporn (pardon the attempted spelling) was charismatic, but has disappeared. Who they were didn't really matter, however; it was the difficulty of the course, the importance of the trophy and the closeness of the competition that combined to create drama. I've probably forgotten most of the men's tournaments I've seen since then, but I remember that one.

Women's college basketball is capable of the same level of drama, depending on the circumstances. The University of Minnesota women's team was either a joke or a scandal-ridden embarrassment, depending on how little you cared about it, until this year, when a new coach took them to 20 wins and an NCAA tournament appearance for the first time since 1994. They stole most of the college hoop attention away from the U. of M. men's team, who were talented underachievers -- and no one forced anyone to pay attention to or care about the women. They were good, they had a story line and they exceeded all expectations. People who might not have even known Minnesota had a women's team became intensely interested by the end of the season.

It's not really about skills; it's about entertainment. If you can't be entertained by athletes when you suspect there are better athletes playing the same sport somewhere else, I can undertstand that. But it's not impossible for women athletes to produce a good product. They just need to focus on the elements of their sport that most contribute to drama. In golf, a huge step in that direction would be playing tough, strategic courses, rather than cupcakes designed to fool you into thinking women golfers are better than they really are.

Rick
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JohnV

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2002, 10:18:43 AM »
Dick Daley : Shino Yokoyama had the helium voice.  A really great kid.  I can just imagine if she ever were to be interviewed on TV. :)

Gib: I don't know about Julie Inkster doing any clinics, but I can tell you that Annika was in Portland for the event there and wanted to come and practice on Wednesday at Pumpkin Ridge.  She called our head pro who said, she was welcome and since it was our junior's day at the course would she mind saying a few words.  She came and gave a gratis 30 minute talk/clinic.  The kids loved her.

David: I can't say how they setup Barton Hills, but I will agree that the USGA Women's Committee has set things up a little too easy at some Opens and probably a little too hard at others.  At the Women's Open at Pumpkin Ridge in 1997, the course was playing about as easy as I've seen it.  The greens were softer than they should have been and the rough shorter.  As a result the winning score was -10.   They got criticized for it in Golfweek and other places.  The next year at Blackwolf, I think they went the other way.  They don't have the setups down as well as they do for the men's events.

The rough was definitely down this past weekend.  Other years it has been much higher.  In general, I think they should have the rough higher at Women's majors because they hit it so straight they should be penalized for missing a fairway.

I just hope that some of the players from the Futures Tour like Jenn Brody and Amy Langhals make it to the LPGA in the next few years.  They would give you all the spirit, flair and style many of you seem to want.  Amy was up there last year but didn't have much success.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2002, 10:35:01 AM »
Jim Kennedy,

I think the success of the LPGA tour can be attributed to the early players who had personalities, who recognized where their bread was buttered, with the fans.

Today, the money in all sports is so great, that the fans are all but ignored.  And, do today's players play for the love of the game, or for the millions of dollars with no trade/no cut contracts ?

In the last ten years economy it would be hard for any sport not to grow.  Time will tell if they can survive in bad times as well as good.

If you don't think today's LPGA is lacking personalities, fan and media personalities, we just have a substantial difference of opinion.

Could you name me TEN real personalities on the LPGA tour ?
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2002, 11:22:48 AM »
Pat, I can't name you 10 because I haven't been around them in person at tournaments enough to say.  I got my only real solid impression at BlackWolf, attending 4 of the 5 days at the Open, including the playoff.  I'll name you one however.  Michelle McGann.  I always thought she was a bit overboard when viewed on TV with the hats and all.  But, she was one of the brightest and engaging ladies in person.  She flashes a big smile and makes alot of personal contact with the gallery, chatting with folks while waiting on tees, etc.  With her flamboyant color coordinated hats and engaging personality, I think she qualifies for a great LPGA ambassador.  

Judy Rankin is an obvious person to point to aside from her great carreer, her outstanding on-course commentating is second to none IMHO.  Although she doesn't have a formal position exclusive to the LPGA for broadcasting, she ought to be given a place of pre-eminence for their tour like Venturi has, I think.  And, let her cut it up a little, and not hold her to this refined and polite golf ettiquette lady-like expectation that society seems to confne them to.  I get the feeling Judy can crack it up pretty good when just goofing around the trailer with the crew.  Donna Caponi does well too.  

Perhaps the atmosphere of sporting excitment has much to do with the demographics of the galleries as much as what the players are doing out there.  There are some men's PGA tournaments that on thurs and fridays are about as exciting as a warm bucket of spit too... :-/
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2002, 12:01:12 PM »
RJ Daley,

I don't disagree that the men's tour is in need of more personalities as well.  

But with the money so great, do the players feel a need to appeal to the camera and fans ?

One thing I will say about Palmer, everytime I saw him he signed every autograph, related eye ball to eye ball to whomever he was talking to, at the expense of having a meal with family, friends or associates.  He graciously interacted with the fans in every possible setting.  The guy was a great ambassador for golf for 50 years.  Unfortunately, few players today need to conduct themselves in that fashion in order to make a good living.

Perhaps in the Pre-TV days, athletes had to be more fan friendly, today, the zoom lens can get you close to but not intimate with the athletes.
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Richard_Goodale

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2002, 02:08:42 PM »
I think Rick has it pegged right.

As good as these women are relative to other women, they are just not good enough relative to men to make their game really interesting, particularly when they play on boring courses set up to receive the rolling 5 wood into the green.  I'd personally much rather see them play Merion or Augusta, from the members tees and struggle to break 80.  Actually I'd love to have them bring the Nabisco/Dinah Shore gallery with them to Merion or Augusta or even Cypress Point.  Now that would make for some high drama--inside and outside the ropes!
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Gib_Papazian

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2002, 03:32:46 PM »
Jim,
Why is the impression that the LPGA is heavily populated and influenced by lesbians a taboo subject in America?

Why are we afraid of the suggestion that this is a major impediment to their marketablility?

Why do we ignore the obvious in this nation in the name of political correctness? When they are discussing who to sponsor in the corporate board room, don't think for a minute that the lesbian image of the tour does not come up.

And when the money gets tight, they are the first ones to  get the heave-ho.    

The women are not as good as the guys. Period. Personally, I sometimes enjoy watching the LPGA simply because it is different. I also absolutely love watching the European Tour on TV late at night. . . . . . but I am a bit strange to begin with and hardly a representative sample of the rest of the world.

Let's say the women's volleyball tour generated enormous interest in the public's eye. Suppose their leading player was the most beautiful and talented women athlete on the planet.

(As an opposite comparison, whaddaya think, most of those girls follow Tiger, Phil and Freddie to watch their golf?)

And let's assume that the vast majority of the rest of women vollyballers were not only highly skilled, but also had that combination of  athletic excellence and sex appeal. The entire package appealed to both men and women - although perhaps not for the same reasons. But they still sold out tickets wherever they went.

Now, along comes a competing men's volleyball tour. Let's say the net is a bit lower and the style of play is less exciting. Despite this, because volleyball is soooo popular, TV gives it a shot and they begin to attract some decent crowds.

Eventually, the public notices that a third of the players look like Chris Farley in a speedo, and although the rest of the players look like Richard Gere, half of them are unnaturally attached to their pet gerbils.

A few years down the line, depending on where the tournament is, the gallery becomes a parade of guys with tee shirts reading "Richard's  Rodents" . .  .  .  .  . not exactly Arnie's Army, is it?

Welcome to Ty Votaw's world. Now go out and try to  secure some title sponsors during a sour economy with earnings on the downslide.

PS: Regardless of the skill level, would the PGA Tour have achieved such astounding growth and success if Tiger and Freddie were gay? Please. There is no doubt that the Tour has gay men on it, just like the rest of the population  - but unlike their female counterparts, they know it is not good for their livelyhood to rub everybody's nose in it.

It is all about image and money.  :P
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2002, 03:58:32 PM »
Rich Shefchik,

You have hit on one of my pet peeve's.

Jenny was treated inequitably when the USGA allowed SRP three hours and fifteen minutes to choose her option and to hit her ball.

And I thought icing one at the foul line was just for basketball.

Look at a replay and ask yourself if that incident took place in the middle of a round, in the middle of the field, with some other competitor, what would have happened, and if Jenny didn't get deprived of a USOPEN title due to administrative failure ?

Gib,

You have a point.
To Corporate sponsors Marketing is all about IMAGE.
Just ask Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, and Arnold Palmer.
I believe some magazine publishes a list of the twenty or fifty most highly paid recipients of corporate sponsorships.  Just take a look at that list and tell me what image those twenty to fifty recipients project !
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Mike O'Neill

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2002, 05:16:08 PM »
If Gib is correct that the sexual orientation of the LPGA's population is a significant factor in whether anyone is watching or not (due to poor marketing if I am reading this correctly), then the problem is that the watching population is not open minded enough to tune in to enjoy the game of golf. I admit that I am not up to speed on the LPGA tour. So it may be that some of the women are flaunting their sexual orientation. I don't need someone's sexual orientation flaunted to enjoy golf any more than I need JakaB pointing out Tiger's package to enjoy golf. But what exactly are they doing? Holding hands walking down the fairway? Speaking at Gay and Lesbian gatherings? Are the advertisers afraid that two of the players are going to get married and therefore refuse to advertise?

Gib, I am not trying to frustrate you any more than you already are, but why should anyone care about who falls in love with whom? Doesn't that just mean that we are not open minded enough to get past it? Do we care what the PGA player does behind closed doors? I would hope the marketers see past all that. Apparently they don't if what you are saying is true.

Now, whether or not you like the way the LPGA players play the game is another story. They would all teach me a thing or two. So you won't here me questioning their abilities. And no, I will not skip the Masters to watch the women. Not with Doug Ford playing.
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Gib_Papazian

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2002, 05:32:22 PM »
Mike,

Remember, I am one of the people who watches women's golf. I want them to be successful, I want their tour to thrive. I do not care what they do behind closed doors - although if I see a beautiful woman golfer and find out she is a dyke, it kind of bugs me.

However, I am just trying to express an unflinching view of what the average male thinks of the LPGA tour.

No, there is not an LPGA banner in the S.F. Gay Freedom Day Parade, but it is obvious to anyone paying attention. Lots and lots of lesbians in the gallery do not help matters.

Whether we should or shouldn't have gotten past sexuality in sports as a society is beside the point. This is about money and sponsorship. Corporations want bang for their buck in advertising.

If they don't want to change their image, they can go on being a barely relevant boutique tour slowly withering away.

And I love the suggestion above about playing some compelling venues . . . . . I would go see the Women's Open at Merion in a flash, dykes or no dykes.
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Mike O'Neill

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2002, 06:10:12 PM »
Gib,

I am glad that you are watching the women as long as you are enjoying it.

And I accept your description of a kind of "average male". There definitely is that population of men. I have met many men just as you describe. But to the extent that we move away from judging others in that way, I believe we will be better able to celebrate the great things about golf at every turn. Just my opinion, nothing more.

Oh, and if you are married or in a committed relationship, that beautiful woman is off limits anyway--lesbian or not.  ;)
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Gary Smith (Guest)

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2002, 07:18:12 PM »
I wouldn't care if the entire LPGA field and gallery are lesbians. I wouldn't cross the street to see a LPGA golf tournament simply because it is not golf anywhere near the highest level. However, I will probably catch one round of this year's Woman Open just to see Prairie Dunes.

Might interest some of you calling for Merion to have a LPGA tournament that the Woman's Open was scheduled there around '92, but Merion dropped out because of problems with member diversity requirements instituted by USGA post-Shoal Creek.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #63 on: April 01, 2002, 08:53:56 PM »
Some of you folks expressed the idea that you don't like watching golf except at the highest levels of competition.  Well, that is just fine by me.  Everyone is entitled to choose their own brand of entertainment and enjoyment, that's for sure.  But this all got me to thinking about the famous quote, "if you like golf you are my friend".  To me this extends to the idea of - if you enjoy golf, I enjoy watching you enjoy golf. :)  I really think that all the great golf course archies and designers feel that way too.  Why else would they all gravitate to that catch phrase that they have designed a great golf course 'to challenge all level of players'?  Wouldn't they bask in the reality of that statement by watching all levels of golfers for the shear pleasure of seeing them enjoying the fruits of their labor?

I will watch people enjoy golf weather they are the top men players in the world, or two aging dykes walking hand in hand down the fairway, as long as they are enjoying the game on a field of play that they equally enjoy, I can somehow find enough interest to watch for a while anyway. :-/  Hell, I would watch a golf competition all day if it were a deal like at Barona Creek (great course) that is upcoming, except with the top 40 women on the Futures Tour VS both the nor cal and so cal team in a grand team match for the King's Putter.  I'd even bet that those girls would kick our butts from the blue tees (despite us having some darn good players in the bunch).  It wouldn't be just my 18 handicap that would loose it for us.:-[

As for the women in the LPGA, I will watch them for more than a little while if it is on a great course and they have a compelling field of their top players.  I'd love to see in person the gals go at Prairie Dunes, and I bet they play it from longer than just the members tees and will generally break 80... 8)
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Gib_Papazian

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #64 on: April 01, 2002, 08:54:41 PM »
Mike,
I see every Nicole Kidman movie for obvious reasons and am married with twin munchkins age 4. It is not about watching them play golf with some kind of stalker fantasy, but imagine if somebody told you Katherine Hepburn was a dyke, wouldn't that kind of ruin it for you when watching her and Spencer Tracy? Part of rooting for any public figure is the same  suspension of disbelief required to really buy into a motion picture. That kind of stuff is more truth than I want to know about. In the case of dyke golfers, ignorance is bliss for the average male. . . . . . and maybe that includes me in some measure whether I want to admit it or not.

Gary,

How about having the US Women's Open at Merion West?
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Rick Shefchik

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Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2002, 10:35:00 PM »
Patrick:

Re the Blackwolf Run Open and SRP's water shot: You're right. She was given too much time. Time does tend to slow down, however, for the last group of the day. Even the USGA seems to forget about its watch in those situations. I don't know why -- rules are rules.

Rick
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David Wigler

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Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2002, 06:23:14 AM »
Gib,

Please tell me that you are going to put the expression "Richard's Rodent's" or "Gere's Gerbal's" into one of your articles.  I'd pay to buy that magazine!
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And I took full blame then, and retain such now.  My utter ignorance in not trumpeting a course I have never seen remains inexcusable.
Tom Huckaby 2/24/04

THuckaby2

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #67 on: April 02, 2002, 06:51:48 AM »
Right on, David!  And damn right, count me in as a charter subscriber to Papazian Weekly.  We just need to make sure that one of the greatest self-assessments in the history of GCA goes on the masthead (as coined up above by the Master himself):

". . . but I am a bit strange to begin with and hardly a representative sample of the rest of the world."

Tears of laughter re this one. ;D

TH
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Gary Smith (Guest)

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2002, 10:45:26 AM »
Gib,

Don't know anything about Merion West, so I'm unaware of the reasons to go West instead of the great old East for a Woman's Open. I'm assuming the cancelled Woman's Open was going to be held at the East, but could be wrong.

I would like to see a Woman's Open go to one of the other 2 courses at Medinah. The shortest #3 can go is something like 6,800, I believe,  and  that would surely overpower the women. Maidstone might be an interesting place for a Woman's Open.

I recall Colonial holding a pretty good Woman's Open sometime back, and a replay there might be worthwhile. I think one of the better sites for the women has been Indian Woods, which I believe has a somewhat similiar feel to it as Shinnecock.

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RJ_Daley

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Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #69 on: April 02, 2002, 11:24:41 AM »
Gary, Trust me, the ladies would make Medinah #2 (the only Bendelow design left there) play like a chip and putt.  :D  I think it maxes out at about 53-5400 yards.  #1, which is mostly Ed Lawrence Packard remodel would be a so-so test, but not in the league with so many of the courses we talk about here.  

So you fellows have made it clear that you aren't interested in too much of what the LPGA has to offer in the way of spectating...  What about playing matches with women in your ability zone so to speak?  I already have a dream match conjured up in my fantasizing little mind.  Gib, Tom, Shivas, and (waggles) Wigler against, Stefania Croce, Shino Yokahama (and she doesn't often make the Futures cut!), Becky Iverson, and high handi me, at Wild Horse from the blue tees at high noon!  :o  That way we have something for all occasions from competitive golf (the first three will smoke you guys), to charming and equal competition on the 19th hole post mortem too. (Becky will bury you all there!)  I'm just along for the fun of letting you guys have a great chance to win one match anyway  ;D
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David Wigler

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Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #70 on: April 02, 2002, 11:37:26 AM »
I am all for the match as long as my group is in front of Gib's.  With his lesbian bashing and "Richard's Rodent's" comments, I am worried about drive by moonings and hissing among flamboyantly dressed spectators.  If Monty thinks he gets a hard time from the local fans, wait until Gib's participation in this match was posted in the San Francisco papers.
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And I took full blame then, and retain such now.  My utter ignorance in not trumpeting a course I have never seen remains inexcusable.
Tom Huckaby 2/24/04

Gary Smith (Guest)

Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2002, 01:01:45 PM »
RJDaley,

I was thinking one of other Medinah's courses besides #3 was highly rated, but I guess I'm wrong. (I did park my car on one of them at the '90 Open, so I guess that makes me qualified to comment.  :))

The woman would doubtless kick my butt, but I still don't care to watch. I just would rather be out working on other projects instead of watching a bunch of TV. I will be GLUED to the set next week, however.

My foursome that I would like to play with would be the Babe, Mickey Wright, Big Momma, and that big English girl whose name escapes me.  

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RJ_Daley

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Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2002, 01:42:20 PM »
Actually, I have my fantasy down to a dream threesome. :o  

I agree that watching golf on TV is a poor substitute for either playing yourself, or watching competition in person.  Factor in the enjoyment of playing or watching competition on a good deisgn, and that makes all the difference.  Given the fact that I find myself under yet another dump of ground covering snow, TV and this internet is all I got at the moment.  I just keep returning to the point that I can enjoy watching the ladies on TV almost as much as the men generally and sometimes more than the men if the matches or tournment is on a good design that I either know from playing or seeing it, or have familiarized myself with in some preliminary manner.  I get easily mesmerized by dangling shiny objects, however... 8)
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George Pazin

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Re: Anyone out there watching the women?
« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2002, 03:55:59 PM »
Well, I watched both the men & women on Sunday evening (taped while with family). Can't say either one was remotely exciting this weekend.

The "I only watch the highest level of golf" doesn't even remotely apply to me. I watch damn near every offering on TGC if I don't have other plans - ie while printing t's or laying around being lazy during lousy weather. Actually, I thought the Canadian Tour Texas Swing was among the more entertaining golf on TV the last few weeks, excluding the TPC. I also greatly enjoy the US Amateur - I REALLY wish someone would broadcast the British Amateur in the US.

I think it does come down largely to how entertaining/exciting the golf is as to how much I would go out of my way to watch it. There isn't much difference between the big boys & the big girls on a normal week - they're both kinda boring. The majors & bigger events (TPC, Mercedes!!, the Memorial, maybe a few others) are great for the men & I enjoy the US & British Open for the women. Tough job ahead for Mr. Votaw.
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