News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Peter_Herreid

  • Karma: +0/-0
Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« on: August 24, 2007, 07:01:01 PM »
For your viewing pleasure, what follows is a brief photo-essay of the newly opened "The Home Course" in Dupont, WA, just south of Tacoma.  Cos has posted on this course before (early-mid June), but as a brief recap, the course was built on the site of the old Dupont Dynamite Works, and an even older fort at the south end of Puget Sound.  Cos will perhaps chime in, but I believe the course sat in usable, but unopened, condition for a while, until finally bought by the Washington State Golf Association this past Spring.  From the day of the announced sale to the course opening was only a few weeks.  To date, many of the accoutrements (ball washers, yardage plates, yardage markers, different colored flags, etc.) that one might expect to find on a public course that expects to get heavy traffic have not yet arrived from the suppliers....Therefore, these early rounds afford the intrepid golfer an opportunity to play "old style" golf, iwth only one's eyes to guide you along...

The way back tee markers---Hmmm, where did this idea come from?


Remnants of the narrow gauge rail from the old "works", the way-back 10th tee box is situated on top of these "ruins"


There's no messing around with puny distances on this course.  The Dynamite Tees on this par-72 log in at 7437 yds, amongst the longest in this area, with rating/slope of 76.5/132.  The "Black" tees are 7135 yds (74.5/127), the "Blue" tees 6671 yds (72.0/125), "White"s 6139 yds 69.3/123 and the "Gold"s are 5506 yds (66.4/116).

3rd green, with a representative presentation of the sparse bunkering (yet with occasional revetted faces), and the multi-tiered nature of many greens...


You like blind tee shots?  This course has 'em all over, and not just on doglegs...I counted as many as 9 tee shots (out of 14 on the non par-3's) that were either blind to the landing areas, or in which the greensites could not be visualized.  For example, here is the tee shot on #15, a 433 yds par 4 (aiming barber-pole barely visible on mound)...


and the subsequent landing area and green...


In fact,  the final 4 tee shots are essentially blind...Here's #16

...also highlighting another prominent feature of The Home Course, lots of heaving mounds scattered about, perhaps mimicking the outlines of the Olympic Mtns to the West.  The green is actually tucked hard left about 40 yds behind the big left mound...

#17 is a highly elastic par-4 which ranges from 400 yds down to 310, and faces due West...


This is the wildest green on the course, with a barely-there (false) front--this hole location was near-criminal--and the back 75% of the green which races away from the fairway...


The course is in very nice shape right now, although a bit moist through the playing area, as might have been expected.  Its biggest assets now are its affordability ($35 for WSGA/PNGA members) and its lack of "pretention"--its' not trying to be a CCFAD, and never will be.  It's very wide, particularly for a Pacific NW course, and manageable by all types of golfers.

It will be interesting to follow the pace of play, conditioning, etc as time goes along.  At this point, IMHO, it is not a "trip-worthy" destination, and not in the same ballpark as Chambers Bay, which is only a few miles to the north.  Nevertheless, it is an intriguing addition to the NW golf scene, that will likely serve its main purpose as a host to the WSGA quite well...  I have other thoughts which I can add, if others chime in with interest...
« Last Edit: August 24, 2007, 07:06:28 PM by Peter_Herreid »

Phil McDade

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2007, 09:52:49 PM »
Peter:

Nice pics, and interesting course! I like the idea (spreading in GCA) of taking sites unsuitable for something and turning them into golf courses. There is one here in Madison, just south of the local airport, that was converted from wetlands (unbuildable, for the most part, due to both marshy turf and heighth restrictions due to incoming flights!) and is pretty decent -- not great, but OK/good.

Any background on the architect(s)? I like the greens -- clean, simple, but with some thought put into them. Lots of earth moved?

Thanks for the pics -- I always enjoy seeing stuff from the northwest.

Mike_Cirba

Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2007, 09:55:37 PM »
It looks pretty good and a bit daring from the tee.   The greens, on the other hand, seem to be lacking in....ummm...three dimensionality.

Thanks for sharing, Peter.

W.H. Cosgrove

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2007, 11:45:33 PM »
No one ever had to ask me to chime in more than once.

The 'Home Course' was playable last year and I was fortunate enough to be able to play it several times in absolutely pristine conditions prior to it opening.  The course from all reports has been a wild success for its quality and inexpensive green fee.  It can be stretched to 7450 yards making it a great spot for WSGA tournaments and I might add a great qualifier course for major USGA events that require two courses followed by match play.  

I would agree completely that this is not a destination anchor course.  But would say that as a second course to Chambers it provides much the same advantages discussed in the Bandon Crossing thread;  Carts, low key, lower expenses.  

When you come to Tacoma there are now these two strong public courses, with Chambers and I would imagine we could find a spot at Oakbrook and some might find there way onto Fircrest or Tacoma Country & Golf.  There wasn't a lot of travel golf to offer in town until this June, now the place is rockin!

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2007, 02:32:10 AM »
Bill,
Promise to be in touch this next week. I've been pretty busy as of late, but I do want to get together. Where exactly is this course?

I'm staying in a "house" on American Lake, about ten-twelve minutes away from Chambers. (which by the way, I think is spectacular)

Mike Hendren

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2007, 12:32:55 PM »
Cos, Tommy and Sean,

I'll be in Seattle next week with afternoons free.  I have a 2:30 p.m. tee time Wed. at Chambers Bay as a single but could not book a time as a single at The Home Course in advance.  I intend to follow up with them tomorrow when I get into town.  Please let me know if you'd like to get out to The Home Course Mon. or Tuesday any time after 2:00 p.m. or if you'd like to join me at CB spot permitting.

Mike
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Mike Hendren

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2007, 09:28:54 AM »
Bump before I board the plane.  Cell is 615-390-0253.
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Marty Bonnar

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2007, 06:39:33 PM »


What is the direction of play from these markers?

Rules perve...sorry, experts. If a teeing ground marker has an 'above-ground' part (i.e. in this case said fake fuse to said fake explosive material), does the teeing ground extend to directly below end of extension of said part or only where said marker is in direct contact with said terra firma?

Maybe I'll wish I hadn't asked..... ;D Hell, I ALREADY have!

FBD.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Richard Choi

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2007, 10:22:25 PM »
I have played The Home Course 3 times now and I believe it is a very nice addition to the Puget Sound golf scene.

The course is wide open and it is difficult to lose your ball, but the greens are just interesting enough to keep you engaged and entertained.

My favorite hole is #5 par 5 where the huge green flows into three bunkers. You really have a risk/reward scenario when you are hitting into the green with a wood.

It is not the most memorable course or the hardest, but it is a nice, solid course suitable for variety of handicap players.

The greens are in BEAUTIFUL shape as the ground has been sitting with very little play for a couple of years. But I expect that condition to deteriorate over the next year or two. The same goes for the rest of the course but the top sod layer is very thin with gravel layer just underneath. I had a hard time sticking my tee into the ground.

The rough area doesn't have much dirt at all. It is all gravel. So if you don't like to nick your clubs, you may have to make some hard decisions.

I agree that a golf course is a GREAT way to reclaim SuperFund sites like this. You may not want to live there, but spending a weekend afternoon every now and then certainly won't do you any harm.

The only serious negative I have for the course is that the rounds are S-L-O-W. I have played two afternoon rounds and one took 5 1/4 hours and another took close to 6. Which is just hard to believe because like I said, it is hard to lose balls on this course (right side of the fairway is always playable). I won't play there again unless I can get a early morning tee time.

W.H. Cosgrove

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2007, 10:44:06 PM »
Richard the problem with both new additions to the Tacoma area seems to be pace of play.  My rounds at Chambers have been slow and the word on the street is that the Home course is also slow.  

I wonder if the WSGA has considered moving to 10 minute tees times, from the nine minutes presently, to both speed up play and keep us from loving the course to death.  They apparently did over 6500 rounds in July and went weeks before they had a day of less than 200 rounds.  

I also understand that a few minor changes are being considered, particularly the expansion of the regular tees on the par threes which are taking a beating.

Jesse Jones

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2007, 12:25:50 AM »
Cos,

I think the slow play problem on the Home Course is not that bad..
The biggest reason for the issue...it's new.
The price point is also attracting the military golfer.
All of my father's army buddies who play Ft. Lewis or McChord are now at the Home Course.
They are not alone.
These gentelmen have played at the bases for years..
Many could play the courses blindfolded.
Now they have a new course and it takes them time to get around.
That will change..
On top of not knowing where to hit it or where to look,
the blind tee shots make searching for a ball difficult.
Then you have the situation at 2-3 and 15-16 and 10 -13. Guys hitting balls into each others fairway.
On 8 I saw alot of people looking for their balls in the junk to the right.
If their balls were ever found, the iffy recovery shots made matters much more time consuming.
That being said, give it some time.
The place will get alot of repeat play and I think the slow play problems will be ironed out with familiarity.
BTW there are a couple of pin placements out there that can also add to the slow play issue.
Such as the back middle pin on 5. It's real easy to go bunker to bunker(I did!)..
The par 3's on the front are great. Two long irons or utility clubs into receptive and tricky greens.
It's a very good value play.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2007, 12:54:41 AM by Jesse Jones »

JohnV

Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2007, 08:56:00 AM »
FBD, the front of the tee marker would be the forward most part of the teeing ground.  So, if the fuse was in the direction of play, it would be the tip of the fuse.

Think of it this way.
If we assume these tee markers have two spikes on the bottom that are pushed into the ground.  If they weren't pushed far enough into the ground the "dynamite" sticks might not be touching the ground.  In that case you wouldn't say the teeing ground started at the spike rather than the front of the stick would you?

I hope they put them in the ground so that the fuse in the back.

W.H. Cosgrove

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2007, 09:37:34 AM »
Jesse, I hadn't thought of the Military types!  Poor Ft. Lewis GC.  

My favorite par three on the course is actually #11 which has a very difficult green.  Try getting up and down from the left side.......yowzah :o

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2007, 09:50:01 AM »
FBD, the front of the tee marker would be the forward most part of the teeing ground.  So, if the fuse was in the direction of play, it would be the tip of the fuse.

Think of it this way.
If we assume these tee markers have two spikes on the bottom that are pushed into the ground.  If they weren't pushed far enough into the ground the "dynamite" sticks might not be touching the ground.  In that case you wouldn't say the teeing ground started at the spike rather than the front of the stick would you?

I hope they put them in the ground so that the fuse in the back.

I've always made it a point to never disagree with a USGA Rules Offiical. Especially in the cases of dynamite....

Bill,
Have you played the VA course? Is it worth a wonderful little stroll in the evening with a half bag in tow?

W.H. Cosgrove

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2007, 09:59:11 AM »
Never have played the VA course but I do know several of the volunteers who keep it running.  

The course is almost entirely maintained by volunteers and provides instruction and solace to a number of Veterans.  

The senior tour players have given clinics when it own for the Boeing event that just finished yesterday.  Don't kow if they did it this year.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2007, 09:42:11 AM by W.H. Cosgrove »

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2007, 10:01:27 AM »
That course is just right down the street, or should I say, the other end of the lake..

I'll call you later today.

Mike Hendren

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2007, 01:02:09 AM »
Martin,

I played the course today and diffused all the dynamite.  Relax.

Abundant width off the tee.
Firm and fast greens.
Firm and fast fairways.
Very interesting green contours.
Cool fairway volcano on 15 and 16.
Superb conditioning.
Affordable.  
Elastic hole lengths.
Walker friendly w/ 5$ push cart rental.

This course deserves support from the treehouse.  It would be a shame to play Chambers Bay and skip The Home Course.

Mike
« Last Edit: August 29, 2007, 01:05:31 AM by Michael_Hendren »
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

W.H. Cosgrove

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2007, 09:41:09 AM »
Mike thanks for the vote of confidence in The Home Course.  I had begun to wonder whether with all of the Ballyhoo about Chambers whether it would be overlooked.  You certainly had a great day to enjoy the views of Puget Sound, Mt Rainier and the Olympics.  Sorry I couldn't get out, counting the days to retirement 8)  

The 'volcanoes' in the 15th and 16th fairways, there are actually three of them, are explosives bunkers remaining from the Dupont powder works.  The story was that the architect saw them and instead of removing them, at great expense, he simply buried them.  Stand on one of them and you can see that they line up diagonally from the 15th green to the large mound fronting the par 5 16th.  

Should be HOT today bring plenty of water to Chambers!
« Last Edit: August 29, 2007, 09:43:32 AM by W.H. Cosgrove »

Mike Hendren

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2007, 12:29:30 AM »
Bill, as for pace of play I walked in 4:10.  Chambers was 5 hours right on the nose today BUT what a great place to spend 5 hours.  I'll post elsewhere but with a couple of exceptions CB blew me away.

Mike
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Brent Carlson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Boom Goes the Dynamite!!--The Home Course, Dupont, WA
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2010, 11:23:41 PM »

Had a chance to play The Home Course recently.  It is coming into shape nicely for its role in the U. S. Amateur.  #12 was playing as a long par 3 with a new green.  The old green was not being used.  Fairways are being narrowed and the rough is being grown.  Despite a recent aerification, the greens are rolling true.

THC has always been a favorite of mine in Washington.  It's not a course that will blow you away but the fundamentals of the course are solid.  Wide playing corridors and usual firm conditions make it a recommended course.  It should be playing plenty fast by the time the Am rolls around in August. 

Tags:
Tags:

An Error Has Occurred!

Call to undefined function theme_linktree()
Back