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Kevin_Reilly

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Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« on: March 31, 2010, 05:42:29 PM »
I saw this on another board...a note to the members of the course where the Houston Open is playing this week.  Some details about course prep that may be of interest.

"Dear Members,
We are finally in advance week in preparation for the Shell Houston Open. I don't think we ever thought it would get here or that the weather would cooperate with us. Spring is definitely in the air! The trees are budding out, the pollen is falling, and the ryegrass is shining. We are shaping up for a great event as we are putting on the final touches.

Most of you don't get to see what it truly takes to pull off an event like this, especially with the course closed the week before. It is not your average Tour event either. Our maintenance crews are here before anybody else and we don't leave until well after everybody leaves. From the start of advance week to the last day of the event, there is not a single blade of grass that is not touched and groomed at least once a day. We mow and blow all of our roughs daily in one direction (towards the green), we mow and blow all fairways, approaches, and tees daily in one direction (towards the tee), and we hand mow and blow all of our bunker fingers and surrounds daily. Those 3 steps alone take in excess of 40 people. The mowing of the grass in one direction (opposite directions) helps to create a sharp contrast between short grass and rough. The repetitious mowing helps to keep the grass nice and tight but also helps lay the grass down at an angle that will create the contrast. Th e players will see the same thing when they travel to Augusta.

For the 4 acres of bunkers and pretty white sand, the work is just as intense as the mowing. We will spend most of this week with 4-8 men packing the sand with vibratory plate compactors that get the edges nice and firm. Not only does it help with fried egg/plugged lies, but it preps them for the grooming of the sand that takes place after. We will use a combination of a teeth rake and brooms to float the floors to the consistency that the Tour requires. You might actually see us watering them from time to time to keep it consistent. The players like it a little fluffy on the very top, but firm down below. All of these steps are in preparation of our daily hand raking that will take place during the event.

We saved the most intense work for the most important part of the course - the greens. We will spend most of this week cutting the greens 2-4 times per day (a morning and afternoon double or single cut) and rolling greens at least twice daily. We will begin working our cutting height down to achieve speeds that the Tour desires. It doesn't stop there. The other huge element of speed and consistency is all in the moisture content in the profile, which drives speed and firmness. I'm sure some of you have seen our little purple devices that we plug in the greens before we water. These devices are moisture sensors that give you a percentage of moisture content. We have a desired target percentage that we want the entire green to have and the meters let us know where to water. So, the big hill at the back of the green should have the same percentage as the low spot on the front. This creates consistency that the players love. Firmness and speed are two things you will hear th e players and announcers talking about next week.

I could write a novel on every detail that goes in to what we do to prepare. I hope I have given you a glimpse of what it takes. I didn't even mention all the meticulous edging of everything. There truly is no blade of grass that goes untouched. We hope you take as much pride in watching the event as we do in preparing the course for such a special event. We hope to see you out for the Shell Houston Open! Come by and watch us after play concludes each day - if you want to see 75+ guys on one hole prepping the course....it is quite a sight!


Randy Samoff
Golf Course Superintendent"
"GOLF COURSES SHOULD BE ENJOYED RATHER THAN RATED" - Tom Watson

Greg Chambers

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 05:53:48 PM »
what a waste of time, manpower, money, fuel, water, on and on and on, not good for the game of golf in my opinion
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K. Krahenbuhl

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 06:00:05 PM »
I don't care much for the course, but be ready to hear the pros talk about how good the conditions are.  I doubt they'll play a better manicured course all year.

The Members Course at Redstone doesn't overseed and they are night and day.

JNC Lyon

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 06:01:19 PM »
what a waste of time, manpower, money, fuel, water, on and on and on, not good for the game of golf in my opinion

100% Correct.  This excess is why golf is so much more expensive in the U.S.

I love how the bunker sand is prepared to avoid bad lies.  What happened to hazards, especially for the best players in the world?
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Matthew Rose

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 06:21:26 PM »
Was looking at an aerial of Redstone just now. Two things strike me about it.

One is that every hole has about 7 or 8 tee boxes on it. No exaggeration. A couple of them might even have more like 10 or 11. I'm not sure I've ever seen more single, individual tee boxes on a single course anywhere, and all of them are perfect squares, obviously requiring a hell of a lot of precision mowing.

The other is the distance between holes, especially the separation between the corridor that houses #1/18 and the rest of the layout. From #9 to #10 is pretty far too. Walking this course must be a nightmare for anyone who has to.
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Wade Whitehead

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 07:04:32 PM »
I hope I don't make any enemies here: The excerpt might sum, and quite efficiently, most of what's wrong with modern golf.

75 men on one hole?  Unbelievable.

WW

JLahrman

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 07:20:25 PM »
I hope I don't make any enemies here: The excerpt might sum, and quite efficiently, most of what's wrong with modern golf.

75 men on one hole?  Unbelievable.

WW

Yes but because every single blade of grass is touched, you've got to calculate the BPW (Blade Per Workman).  Even with a crew of 75 people, they've probably got a BPW of north of 10 billion.

Sean Leary

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 07:33:12 PM »
They do this to get the conditions as close as possible to what the players will face at Augusta in order to get a better field. So what? The better the field, the more that goes to charity. Seems like a net positive to me, especially if it doesn't cost the members any more.


Kalen Braley

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 08:33:30 PM »
what a waste of time, manpower, money, fuel, water, on and on and on, not good for the game of golf in my opinion

Couldn't have said it any better....

Very very lame

Jason McNamara

Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 08:34:02 PM »
I don't care much for the course, but be ready to hear the pros talk about how good the conditions are.  I doubt they'll play a better manicured course all year.

The Members Course at Redstone doesn't overseed and they are night and day.

However, the Members Course was indeed overseeded for the first couple years when it was the toonamint host site.  The SHO was at a tough time in the calendar because there was no guarantee that the bermuda would be in (remember, the SHO used to be in mid-April), and the dormant greens will be at their most worn otherwise.

Also, the years at the Members Course were the first couple years that course was even open.  The first year was as I recall an especially close-run thing in terms of getting a couple of the fairways (10 was one of them) in fit-for-TV condition.  And while very well maintained, it wasn't in Augusta-prep mode until it changed places on the schedule.

Sam Morrow

Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 09:27:08 PM »
Just back from Redstone, as always for the tournament it's in great shape. Still don't care for the course. As we were making the 5 miles walk from 18 tee to 17 green my girlfriend who knows nothing about golf made the comment that the course would be more spectator and player friendly if the tee boxes and greens were closer together. She also decided that carts are silly and players should always walk. If Melvyn makes a move on her I will have to kill him.

Steve Lang

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 10:10:39 PM »
 8) You know, the PGA agronomy staff works with every tour stop on their conditioning and set up many months in advance, it is really to the "detriment of golf" in general or specific terms??


btw.. as noted.. Redstone is a horrible walk, like 7 miles versus most courses at ~5 miles..  it doesn't provide many good viewing places when crowds are there, .. in that regard, the Jacobson/Hardy members course was better, but not by much..  and for some reason, they don;t brag about attendance anymore like they did at The Woodlands.. go figure 

 
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John Moore II

Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 11:15:13 PM »
Just back from Redstone, as always for the tournament it's in great shape. Still don't care for the course. As we were making the 5 miles walk from 18 tee to 17 green my girlfriend who knows nothing about golf made the comment that the course would be more spectator and player friendly if the tee boxes and greens were closer together. She also decided that carts are silly and players should always walk. If Melvyn makes a move on her I will have to kill him.

I think its outstanding you can get your girlfriend to attend a golf event with you at all. My wife won't go with me. Even better that she thinks walking is good and such. Strange thing, these supposed "tournament stadium courses" really aren't all that spectator friendly with huge walks between holes and such.

Jeff Spittel

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2010, 09:39:08 AM »
The conditioning of the course might seem excessive, but it has attracted much better fields. I'd agree that more star power ultimately generates more money for the local charities, which can't be a bad thing.
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Gary Slatter

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2010, 09:48:56 AM »
In contrast, to prepare for the Women's BRITISH OPEN on the Old Course, the crew had the Sunday prior to prepare the course, when the course would have been closed anyway.

Someone already stated the obvious, it's sad so much hard work is done to make conditions PGA Perfect.  I prefer normal.

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Tom Yost

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2010, 10:48:03 AM »
" The players like it a little fluffy on the very top, but firm down below"

"... consistency that the players love... "

etc.

I think I would pay to watch a tournament on a course setup in a way the players "don't like."   ;D

Matthew Petersen

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2010, 12:56:55 PM »
Just back from Redstone, as always for the tournament it's in great shape. Still don't care for the course. As we were making the 5 miles walk from 18 tee to 17 green my girlfriend who knows nothing about golf made the comment that the course would be more spectator and player friendly if the tee boxes and greens were closer together. She also decided that carts are silly and players should always walk. If Melvyn makes a move on her I will have to kill him.

I think its outstanding you can get your girlfriend to attend a golf event with you at all. My wife won't go with me. Even better that she thinks walking is good and such. Strange thing, these supposed "tournament stadium courses" really aren't all that spectator friendly with huge walks between holes and such.

I don't believe Redstone is a TPC.

The only viewer experience I have at a TPC is the one here in Scottsdale. It may not be the greatest golf course, though it has some good holes, but it is wonderful for the spectator. I stood atop a hill near the sixth green and could watch play on hole 6, 7, 11, 12, and 13. There are many other such places where a lot of golf can be seen without much walking. Certainly not all TPCs are so nicely compact, however.

Carl Johnson

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2010, 07:09:57 PM »
Suggestion for discussion: PGA Tour is not golf.  It is entertainment.  Show biz.  Lift, clean and place!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jason McNamara

Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2010, 07:10:35 PM »
Redstone is indeed not a TPC.  

And as Jeff Spittel probably knows but many of you might not, Houston's toonamint is second only to the Byron Nelson in terms of charity funds raised.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2010, 07:47:18 PM »
Redstone is indeed not a TPC.  

And as Jeff Spittel probably knows but many of you might not, Houston's toonamint is second only to the Byron Nelson in terms of charity funds raised.

Think of how much more could be going to charity if they cut back on these unneccessary expenses  ;D

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2010, 07:59:20 PM »
Redstone is indeed not a TPC.  

And as Jeff Spittel probably knows but many of you might not, Houston's toonamint is second only to the Byron Nelson in terms of charity funds raised.

Actually, the Crowne Plaza at Colonial raised $5.1 million for Charity and Byron Nelson did $4.4...Colonial wins....
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Carl Johnson

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2010, 08:55:34 PM »
Nothing against raising money for charity (I give to those of my choice), but does anyone know of any data/studies that look at how much golf tournaments raise for charity relative to the imputs?  I'm just making this up off the top of my head, but I'd define inputs in terms of such things as $ going to players, $ going out of attendees' (or patorns') pockets (as compared with their entertainment return?), $ going into and out of sponsors, $ going into and out of the course/club where the tourney is played, $ in volunteer-time dollars contributed, community (apart from the charity) $ contributed and returned, etc., etc.  In other words, what's the return on investment as in moves from the investors to the charity?  Is a PGA golf tournament the most effective way to raise money for charity, and if not, does that matter?

Jason McNamara

Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2010, 11:26:13 PM »
Redstone is indeed not a TPC.  

And as Jeff Spittel probably knows but many of you might not, Houston's toonamint is second only to the Byron Nelson in terms of charity funds raised.

Actually, the Crowne Plaza at Colonial raised $5.1 million for Charity and Byron Nelson did $4.4...Colonial wins....

If you are talking about single year numbers, then last year's Texas Open beat all of them with $8M.   They have ramped up in a huge way recently, as has the Colonial.

Randy Thompson

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2010, 05:04:26 PM »
If they have 75 workers, then Augusta will have 150. This is show biz folks...its all about the dollar...PGA tour..charities..maintenance..conditions...striving for perfection! Congrats to the super for the letter and trying to communicate with the members and showing the effort put force by his team to meet PGA TOUR criteria. Gotta go now and make some more dollars..caio!

Richard Choi

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Re: Course Prep for the PGA Tour
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2010, 05:31:59 PM »
For people who are saying this is bad for golf in general, then you are also saying Masters and Augusta National is bad for golf as well since all they are doing is replicating what they are doing at ANGC.

This tournament prep is more involved than a "normal" PGA tour event from what I understand.