[Adam Clayman]

The remarkable 10th. A short perplexing hole with a large green whose size is made much smaller because it flows away from the golfer.



The 3rd hole here features a tee shot through a visual shoot which makes the golfer feel uncomfortable. Even if the golfer knows about all the playable width. A blind massive bunker awaits any drive hit slightly left, while the right runs out of room as the fairway end, subtly diagonals back towards the center. The green features a semi-punchbowl complete with fronting pimple (Visible right center) just to provide unpredictability on approach.

[Adam Clayman]

How about these?



The Par 3 8th with it's fronting bunker complex.



The 6th hole is a short par 5 snaking through the dunes. The green is fortified front left but the ground contours allow for low running shots to thread the gap. A rear kick plate assists the lower trajectory shot to find the putting surface.



From the rear of the 15th green, it's island like qualities are evident. One hole that takes some counter intuition to play properly.

[Mike Nuzzo]

It looks good to me

[Ken Moum]

Adam,

Looking at Mike's aerial, it appears to have some pretty daunting distances from green to tee. Is it walkable?

My wife and I have been talking about a http://www.playthewest.com trip for some time, now that she's retiring in July, maybe we'll make it.

Ken

[Greg Tallman]

Location... or should I know where this is?

[Kyle Henderson]

Location... or should I know where this is?

Nebraska

http://www.baysidegolf.com/page/219-7761.htm

[RJ_Daley]

Ken, it is a very walkable front 9, and a vigorous, but not unwalkable back 9, with the walk between 10 and 11 the worst.  My suggestions is that if they aren't too busy, and you have the time, play 27, going around twice in a row on the front, and then jump in a cart for the last 9. 

[Steve Okula]

Who designed it? When?

[Kyle Henderson]

Who designed it? When?

From http://www.baysidegolf.com

"Bayside Golf Club is the product of owners, Bonnie Nemecek, Cliff Brown, Jason Hiltibrand and wife Suzie along with world-famous architects Dan Axland and Dave Proctor who designed such legends as Sand Hill and had a hand in the rebuild of famed Riviera in LA."

[Scott Szabo]

Ken,

You will enjoy the Play the West.  We've done it every year for about 10 years now and take a group ranging in size from 12 or so upwards of 30.  We always have a great time, and all of the courses are alot of fun.  We go for four days, three nights and get in about 6 rounds of golf.  This year's price is $350 a man (including hotel), which is hard to beat.  We also take time to stop and play West Winds, which is in Ogallala as well.  Corey has certainly gone out of his way to accomodate our group and we always enjoy our stop there immensely.

Adam,

Is there any way to go through the proposed rerouting of the final two or three holes on the front side?  Mike has a nice aerial view to reference.  Any idea as to when this will begin?

[Terry Lavin]

Another great looking Nebraska course, with unbelievable rates, I might add.  Ran did an interview with Dan Axland in 2003.  He surely has the minimalist "chops" necessary to do the job.  Here's the link:

http://golfclubatlas.com/feature-interview/dave-axland-january-2003-2

[Adam Clayman]

Ken, Dick's advice is not bad, however, I know I would want to play the entirety to get a feel for the golf course, at least the first time around. Sadly, 95% of players ride.

Scott, I'd love to go through it all, but it will have to be later. To get you started, the new holes will start with a par 3 going the opposite direction of #9, down to the corner of the opening towards the lake. (where the picture is cut off)  Then there's a great cape like hole along the water going northwest. The ninth is now the only decision to be made. Ideally it would also follow the water, making for a very long trek back to the clubhouse and 10th tee. One suggestion is to utilize part of the range heading back up the hill. Construction will likely not start too soon, and will not interrupt play when it does.

I will get back to more details when I'm less rushed.

[Adam Clayman]

Well, that was fast.

Bayside is a fun fun golf course. The greens are highly undulated and many of the front nine par 5 holes have shorter lengths than typical. Making the average golfer feel great with a couple of chances to reach in two and have eagle putt opportunities. This is one of the reasons for the proposed changes. Jason played for the U of New Mexico and has many many friends that are continually in his ear about the shortish nature of the front nine. There's other factors like Bonnie giving up on that lake front property to build her house and the opportunity to sell some premium lots, due to the changes.

The changes will start on the 4th hole. Currently a short par 5 with a delicious green site that rewards prudent play and penalizes the aggressive. The change to this hole will be to lose the green and play the hole to the par 3 5th green. The reason  this works well are several. First off, the greens orientation angle and slope work well with this change. Since efficiency is at the root of the economics needed for the changes, only a small portion of added fairway will be needed to create this new longer par 5. Since the current 5th tee, and left side of the current 4th green, already have irrigation the change should be one of the easiest and least costly to implement.

The next change will happen to the current 7th, making it the new #6 with the loss of the current fifth hole. Similar to the previous change the idea is to play the new hole to the current 8th green. In GCA aficionado terms, this will be a great loss because the 7th green is truly a work of art. In reality, Elton Nolde, the super, has major issues with available pin positions on this green because it's highly undulated without much space in the boobular groove. The physical change will require added fairway to the right of the current green's right front bunker, sloping down the hill towards the current 8th green. The new hole will test the players mind allowing for both prudent and aggressive options off the tee. Due to the severe slope of the fairway, I think this new hole will foreshadow the 10th holes shot requirements.

The current 9th hole will be scraped altogether, allowing the use of that ground to either build new cottages (duplexes) along with some staff housing, allowing the course to offer intern programs for both PGM's and Superintendents. A positive for everyone involved.

I think that does it. If there's more questions, I'd be happy to try to answer (or have them answered).  

Oh yes one more major change could happen to the 11th hole. It could be re-routed to the other side of the ravine, allowing for even more premium lots and a chance to make a very interesting par 5 hole versus the absolute ball buster that exists today.

[Sven Nilsen]

On the I-80 corridor, Bayside is a must play along with the likes of its neighbor Wild Horse (NE), Rochelle Ranch (WY, windiest spot in America) and 93 Golf Ranch (ID, only time I've had a ball hit a tumbleweed).  The owners and the rest of the crew at Bayside are some of the nicest folks you'll come across at any golf establishment.  As for walkability, the back does have a few long traverses and some notable elevation.  Its a tough walk.  Avoid the shortcuts, that rattling sound isn't a piece of tin banging up against a fence post. 

Adam:

Do you know exactly what holes are going to change on the front 9?  As it played last summer, I thought 1, 3, 4, 7 and 8 were excellent holes (with the 1st in its entirety, fairway on 4 and green on 7 being the most resonant), 2 and 5 were fun to play but not necessarily memorable and 6 (needing a few extra yards) and 9 (something missing) being memorable for reasons other than their strengths.  Any changes for the back?  Will the bunker at 17 stay?

[Scott Szabo]

Adam,

Thanks for the heads up on all the proposed changes.  It's too bad they will lose the 7th hole that is currently in existence, as I feel it's one of the best on the property.

Am I to understand that part of the reason for the changes is due to the length of a few of the holes on the front nine?  If that's the case, then it's sad.  #4 is a short par five, but there's nothing wrong with that when you consider the length of the two on the back.  Also, I guess I wasn't aware that #6 was a par five, we've always thought of it as a par 4.  At any length, change the par from 5 to 4 and do the opinions differ?  Also, the overall length of the front nine will always be short considering that it has 3 par threes.

I have always thought that the 9th hole was kind of out of place with the rest, so I won't be sad to see that change.  The little pit in the front has made me a few bucks over the years and been the site of many outbursts from those unfortunate to get into it 

As to the possible change to 11, would that affect #12 in any way?  Maybe I'm not clear on what you are saying regarding the change there at all.  At any rate, my group would definitely be in favor of the change to this brute.  It's not much fun playing it, and a shorter par five with options would definitely improve the hole. 

[Adam Clayman]

Sven, I tried to detail the changes to the front above. I know I can be cryptic so please ask if somethings not clear. I do agree with you about all of your comments about the specific holes.

The ninth hole never came out the way Dan and Dave wanted it to. The angles just don't work, or the green is too small. It's awkward and nobody will mourn it's loss.

Scott, I think most of what I said about the length of the front nine is conjecture. Suffice to say the changes are more about the income potential from the sale of the lots. Since the lake is back on the rise, the future could be bright for all of the businesses that need the traffic.

Re; The loss of the 7th green;
No one would've been harder to convince than Dan Proctor. He loves that hole and that green. But even he has signed off (so to speak) on the alteration, because after all, if the business doesn't add up, there's no golf course, period.

One of the homeowners has taken over the dining room and is serving up what is the best grub around. Larry Hires has opened "Mashie Niblick" in the clubhouse at Bayside. Let me tell you, that boy can cook. He features smoked meats, but everything is excellent. Until May, the Mashie Niblick will be only open weekends, then it will be every day.  

The Clubhouse at Bayside

[Scott Szabo]

Nice to hear about the dining possibilities.  We will be there June 8th for an afternoon round after our morning round at Corey's place and we'll be a hungry group!  It sounds great.  We've always went back into town for a late bite to eat but now I'm sure we'll stay put at the club.

[Norbert P]

Who designed it? When?

From http://www.baysidegolf.com

"Bayside Golf Club is the product of owners, Bonnie Nemecek, Cliff Brown, Jason Hiltibrand and wife Suzie along with world-famous architects Dan Axland and Dave Proctor who designed such legends as Sand Hill and had a hand in the rebuild of famed Riviera in LA."

Dan Axland and Dave Proctor !?  Too funny.   I didn't know their kin was in the biz too.

I hope they're keeping the island bunker on the last par 3.

 

Thanks for the report Adam.  You know I love the place.     

[Lynn_Shackelford]

Although biased, I still contend this course is far too much under the radar screen for a couple of reasons:

1.  Due to lack of funds, it has not been promoted well.

2.  Its neighbors, Sand Hills and Wild Horse command most of the attention.

3.  When Ron Whitten dissed it in a review, he insisted on walking the back 9 in 98 degree heat and his pull cart broke requiring him to carry a cart bag much of the way.

I have not played it, only driven it in a cart, I wanted to play some shots in the process but didn't have a club or ball.  I wished now I  had played it, and will if I ever get close.

If the place ever closes I want to bid on that bar counter.  Can anyone say if the putting green is being maintained?  I could probably spend an hour there 3 days a week.

[Tim Nugent]

Who designed it? When?

From http://www.baysidegolf.com

"Bayside Golf Club is the product of owners, Bonnie Nemecek, Cliff Brown, Jason Hiltibrand and wife Suzie along with world-famous architects Dan Axland and Dave Proctor who designed such legends as Sand Hill and had a hand in the rebuild of famed Riviera in LA."

Dan Axland and Dave Proctor !?  Too funny.   I didn't know their kin was in the biz too.

Yeah, the twin sons of different mothers, the ones who designed Sand Hills ]

Adam, not having been there, I'm a bit confused.  Where to the replacement par 3's end up.  And how is the back nine routed?  It looks like there is a green right of the lots (4 roads) that doesn't seem to have a tee nearby.
Can someone post the aerial with the routing?

[Adam Clayman]

Lynn, The huge putting green is not being maintained at putting height. But, in the last few years Elton has kept it close enough that if they wanted to, they could easily do it. I forget what the reason for not making it a playable practice green, when I see Elton, I will ask and respond. He did discuss cutting out some smaller areas where it would be playable (but not as a whole). Something makes me think it could be a safety issue due to the proximity of the 18th hole.

Tim, I think that's the 10th green seen pictured above. The routing of the back nine blows up after this green due to the long ride up the hill to the 11th tee. If you follow that road, one should be able to figure the route from there, knowing the 11th is the long par 5 going towards the lake. The added Par 3 ends up off of the aerial mike posted. It heads slightly South east.

The only change to the 12th will be an added teeing ground for the big hitters.

Bayside does an amazing job on a very small budget.

[Tim Nugent]

Adam, that, along with a better aerial from Bing, helps.  I never would have figured some of those green to tee connections.  Seems like some real nice terrain to work with, too bad the routing is somewhat disjointed.  I would still like to see the proposed new holes  work.

[Adam Clayman]

Tim, Yes the routing is disjointed. Most notably after 10 green and 15 green to 16 tee which requires a cross over past 13 tee and 12 green. Dan and Dave both seemed very positive about the changes. However it is a situation where the revenue from lot sales takes precedence. Maybe if they did 30,000 rnds a year they would not need to sell the lots. But, I'd be shocked if they did a third of that.

Maybe this will help some understand the route. The roads that form the square corner (in the aerial) is where the entrance to the course is. The first hole runs south east and is just south east of the entrance. The green that is closest to the entrance is the practice putting green. (Not the one Lynn refers to) The second is a par 3 going S. The 3rd turns back NW. 4th goes east then jogs SE. 5th - east. 6 & 7 go north. 8 - east. 9 back towards the club house goes west.

The 10th starts on the other side of the clubhouse next to the huge putting green Lynn mentioned. It goes west and jogs north to the lone green Tim pointed out. The 11th tee must be some 500 yards up the hill, due south from 10 green. 11 goes NW along the ridge top. 12 tee requires a retrace back and heads east. 13 goes W and is a great par 3. One of the most difficult shots on the course. 14 starts out going west and jogs south to the green in the far SW corner of the property. 15 half moons back east with the tee shot needing to carry a diagonal. So the tee shot could go straight north if one doesn't want to try and carry along the diagonal. 16 tee is way over SE of 12 green with the wide fairway and narrow green set at a diagonal to the fairway. 17 is the par 3 with the bunker in the center of the green ala 6 at The Riv. And, 18 heads back to the clubhouse just north of the row of houses.

Hope it helps. Wish I could do a JSPayne instant photoshop edit, but, I can't.

Lynn, I just spoke with Elton, He said the cost is too high to maintain it as a putting course. (which is what is was intended)  He is considering cutting out one hole to make a money hole to resolve bets and have a few drinks around.

[Greg Tallman]

Call me picky but naming a course in Nebraska... Bayside? I have heard that most Americans are geographically ignorant but never thought I was one of "them".

What's next? Mountain View Club of Topeka?

The Ocean Club of Fort Wayne?

[Adam Clayman]

Greg, The lake is actually the North Platte river.

Here's some history.

http://www.lakemcconaughy.com/about_historyfacts.html

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