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Mac Plumart

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WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« on: March 09, 2010, 02:10:53 PM »
Alright guys, please help me on this one.  Do you find golf fun?

Here is why I ask...Over the last month, I've played a bunch of times.  Most of the times visiting courses as a single and getting paired up with random people.  About 50% of the time, I witness wild cheating, fudging of scores, etc...one time I actually had to confront someone on it due to the fact we were playing a match for money.  40% of the time, I witness people getting mad as hell on the golf course...yelling, slamming clubs, steam pouring out their ears, saying after a double bogey "well isn't this a FUN day".  And the other 10% of the time, I witness people simply playing the game, trying as hard as they can, but rolling with the bad bounces, lip outs, etc and having a really good time.  Fortunately, the 10% of the time is when I've played with other GCA'ers.

So, are these observations out of line or accurate?  Do 90% of the people who play have to score well to enjoy the game?  As I assume the "cheaters" are trying to put down a good score to make themselves feel good and the 40% who get mad are getting mad because they didn't score like they wanted to...and that adds up to 90%.

Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Thomas McQuillan

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2010, 02:18:17 PM »
Lowering expectations is the surest way to stop people from feeling the need to cheat. I tend to have the most fun on a course when I just go out for the sake of hitting a small white ball around a field.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 02:20:20 PM »
You need to find some new places to play, the farther away from a city the better.
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Thomas McQuillan

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2010, 02:26:35 PM »
Or just play with people whose company you enjoy.

Garland Bayley

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2010, 02:44:38 PM »
Sometimes for some of us it goes like this:

I hate golf!
I hate golf!
I hate golf!
Great shot!
I love golf!!!!


Having played with Anthony Gray, you probably have heard that he thinks high handicappers have the most fun, because the screw ups come so often they just laugh them off.

"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Emil Weber

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2010, 02:47:29 PM »
Mac,

your statement really makes sense.

I have to admit I'm one of the 40% who can get really mad on the course, but I'm still enjoying the game. I have the most fun when I'm on holiday without the pressure of having to shoot a low score.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2010, 02:56:28 PM »
Now come on Mac

Are we talking about Golf or are we talking about golf, then there is that golf, this golf and that golf over there. We have scientific golf, cart golf, beer golf, hot environmental golf, lazy golf, pond golf, mountain golf and just plain good old fashion golf.

Could you please be a little bit more precise. God you would think there is only one game called golf  ;)

Thank You ;D

Melvyn

David Stamm

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2010, 02:57:01 PM »
Alright guys, please help me on this one.  Do you find golf fun?

 



Not with my golf game...... :-\
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Mac Plumart

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 04:38:48 PM »
Good points all...but Garland you touched on one of my most fun rounds lately and it was those two with Anthony, Eric, and JC (at least for one) in Hilton Head.

We all played, played our hardest, but rolled with the punches.  JC struck the ball like a champ, but got so many unfortunate bounces it was not even funny.  But he didn't let it phase him at all.  Frankly, it was quite impressive!  Eric is the epitome of a true golfer on the course and is great to play with.  And Anthony was such a HUGE breath of fresh air it was great.  It seems he likes to play and  truly loves to be on the golf course (he described playing on well designed courses as being in Heaven), but he is so considerate of others on the course it took me back at first.  He loves to take pictures of the architectural features of the course, but he kept constantly checking with people to ensure that his picture taking and course analysis wasn't bothering any of the players.  He was very considerate and a pleasure to play with.

I've also played with Kenny Baer, Mark Pritchett, Gregg Evans, and Joel Zuckerman from the site.  All of those rounds were fantastic and a true pleasure to play.  Maybe I see a trend here.

Thanks guys!
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Mac Plumart

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2010, 05:33:54 PM »
Garland...I thought more about what you said relative to high handicappers having more fun and, therefore, being more enjoyable on a golf course.  I can't say I agree or disagree.  I've played fun rounds with high handicappers for sure, but the best golfer I've played with is a friend of mine and he always is enjoyable, has a good time, is extremely composed, and considerate.  He bounces around a +3 and a +4 handicap and competes at the highest of amateur level competitions.  So, I can't fully buy into your argument...although I see your point.

And I think your point is echoed, or at least alluded to, by Thomas M.  Having too high of expectations leads to unhappines.  MAYBE someone who is a -3 and wants to be a scratch golfer gets overly upset when they shoot 77 rather than the 74 they need to be scratch.  Same can apply to an 11 who wants to be an 8.  Unrealistic expectations coming face to face with reality leads to discontent.

Again, thanks guys.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Garland Bayley

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2010, 05:40:33 PM »
Mac,

I wrote that it was Anthony's theory!

I say there are all kinds at all levels of golf when it comes to having fun. E.g., Lee Trevino, Tiger Woods, Fuzzy Z, Jack N.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Bill Rocco

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2010, 05:45:05 PM »
Alright guys, please help me on this one.  Do you find golf fun?


Yes

Melvyn Morrow

Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2010, 06:00:22 PM »

Garland/Mac

Fun, only one game of golf is fun, its like Coca-Cola it has to be the real thing. ;)

Melvyn


Carl Johnson

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2010, 06:12:28 PM »
It's what you want it to be.  If you want it to be fun, which I do, then just go at it with that attitude.  I started playing golf when I was around age 50 (now 68).  Early on I got frustrated and angry about poor shots (4 out of 5 at least).  Then I realized that if that was the way I was going to go about it, it wasn't fun.  I might as well spend my recreational time elsewhere.  It's not that I don't care about the competition and the results, but that in the end I can accept what happens and go on and try to do better next time (or next shot).  I always try to remember the "play" in "play golf."   

Tim Martin

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2010, 06:14:46 PM »
Alright guys, please help me on this one.  Do you find golf fun?


Yes
Mac-You bring a lot of variables into play when walking up as a single. Most of these issues disappear if you are playing with your buds. Most of the golf I play as a single is limited to that on vacation. Unless its an awesome course single golf does not interest me.

Mac Plumart

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2010, 06:29:25 PM »
Carl...I agree with you 100%.  I have fun playing.  I love it.  It is a refreshing, liberating, enjoyable game for me...but I see others appearing miserable...and I guess I just don't get why they play.  Tim...that goes for random groups of people I get paired up with or my friends. 

Melvyn...tell me more about what your are meaning.  Am I to assume it is walking the course, playing match play, and using no distance aids?  Or is there more?  I am very interested. 
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Anthony Gray

Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2010, 07:02:23 PM »

  Befriend the caddy. Many times he's the best guy in the group.

  Anthony

Matthew Runde

Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2010, 08:08:01 PM »
I tend to have the most fun on a course when I just go out for the sake of hitting a small white ball around a field.

Amen!

Carl Rogers

Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2010, 08:20:33 PM »
The attraction of the game to me is the combination of anticipation, fun and challenge.

Fun is going to the movies.

Eric Smith

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2010, 08:55:30 PM »
Mac daddy,

Of course golf is fun!

Your environment (ie who you play golf with) does have a helluva lot to do with it for sure.  Was there some madness at Achasta the other day? ;D

I've enjoyed playing with a core group of golf buds going on about 17 years now and to a man, they are 100% going to have to have a sizeable bet at stake when we get out to play, mostly because we've always done it that way - we all met while working on a golf staff where friendly competition was just part of the job description. 

But some of the madness that is on display within our group in recent years has more often than not taken the luster off of what was supposed to be some great golf trips.  I wonder if I'll play in any more of these death matches, firstly because I'm 40 now and secondly because I'm 40 now ;)  (the grind just wears me the hell out).  Our trip to Michigan last fall, one long 117-hole mega-death match playing for pretty high stakes, did just about kill me!  I've seen it all and when it gets late in the day and the stakes are high and drinking is involved, you sure don't get much of a chance to enjoy the 'strategic bunkering' or what not.  My friends also don't need to have me locking my bedroom door back at the villa and going to sleep at 9 oclock in protest either, so we'll call it a draw in the is it fun dept.  I'm sorry, is this counseling?

Fortunately, golf has sort of gone 'back to the future' for me.  It's become much like it was when I played as a kid on up through high school golf.  Just being out there walking and having fun.  Better still, a lot of my golf of late is with GCAers, including you. (Thanks for the kind words too!)  You are great company on and off the golf course Mac, I really appreciate your friendship.  And like you said, each and every person I have had the pleasure of playing golf with from this website takes a similar approach, which is really really refreshing to say the least.  My buddies tease me and say I've become a golf snob, whatever that means, but their steady dose of ribbing is one of the attributes of playing golf with them that I enjoy most of all.  They darn sure can give it and even better - they can take it.  Not like that wuss Anthony! ;) ;D

Kenny Baer

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2010, 08:59:20 PM »
I think different people have different meanings of fun; I love the competition and trying to do well, even if the competition is only with myself.  It is one reason why I love matchplay, score doesn't matter as you can only lose 1 hole at a time. I could play a competitive match with Tiger and with someone who just started the game as long as enough strokes were given or taken.

I admit I was one who had a terrible temper on the course and could make myself miserable; I have sworn off the game, broken clubs, etc.... I think Garland said it best when he said you just need to lower your expecations, that in my case has made the game much more enjoyable.  I also take it one shot at a time; I take a deep breath and concentrate on the shot at hand, unfortunately I don't have a rewind button as there is nothing you can do about your last shot, you can only do something about the one you are about to hit.

Mac, what was the guy doing whom you had to call out?

Ryan Admussen

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2010, 09:12:39 PM »
Alright guys, please help me on this one.  Do you find golf fun?




Sure do! Not to say I don't get frustrated from time to time, saying that there are very few things that beat a day on the golf course for me.

I've been paired with a few "interesting" people but for the most part golfers are pretty decent.

Mac Plumart

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2010, 09:20:16 PM »
Eric...

First off, no...Achasta was good fun.  But I've just had some "interesting" observations over time.

Secondly, that middle paragraph of yours about the betting and bitterness is EXACTLY what I am talking about.  That isn't fun...at least to me.  If we are playing a match/game...let's bet, let's compete, but let's have it be a healthy competition between gentlemen.

Kenny...

I hear you.  I compete everytime I play.  Whether it is between me and the course, me and myself, or me and other golfers.  I LOVE the challenge.  The challenge of trying to score well and the challenge of keeping my composure...whether that be the composure of keeping it together after a few bad holes or the composure of keepign it together on the 18th tee while having a "potentially" career round.  

The confrontation I had involved a match where one guy was getting strokes and he was always in the trees, taking two to get out of bunkers, etc.  But when we got to the green, he would tap in and proclaim "bogey"..."double"...whatever score is irrelevant...but it just seemed odd.  I would just miss the green, two putt, bogey, and this guy was all over the map and making the same score.  So, eventually I tracked his score on a hole...he tapped in on a par 5 for "double"...with his stroke "bogey" which halved the combined score for this team vs. our team.  but then I told him "no, it was a 9" and we went through it stroke by stroke and sure enough 9..and his team lost the hole.  He "chested" up a first, but realized he was busted and the b.s. stopped for the rest of the round.

Anyway, that type of stuff makes me just want to play without a bet and compete against the course solely.  Heck, maybe I am the weird one.  I'd rather compete and lose than cheat and win.  
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2010, 09:12:46 AM »

Golf must be enjoyable otherwise I would not want to get back onto the course again, having said that we must each decide how we define fun.

I am fist and foremost a Man of the Links. Be it my Scottish blood or is it the canny way we are regarded for over protecting our money (that translates into being careful verging on prudent). Well whatever, I find that a links course offers so much more. I could go as far as to say they are at least two separate courses in one subject to the local weather conditions. Yet the golfer must plays the course (not his natural game, but the course) keeping a close eye on the conditions which in itself dictates the type of game played upon the links.

 I find it exhilarating to play when the wind is up, but I have learnt not to play too early in the morning. The total freedom of walking the course alone or if possible with friends can be close to breathtaking, allowing the mind to quickly de-cluttered ready for the task ahead.

I do not understand those who like carts, beer and a selection of aids and toys to accompany them around a course. I find it a total distraction, the mind starts to fill with facts and figures that in real terms are just adding stress and mind clutter. I believe the golfer needs to have his wits about him, his mind clear and open, his lungs pumping in the oxygen the brain and body need to perform at least on par. Once the body and mind are firing in the correct sequence, then and only then can the golfer start the whole point of the game which is to enjoy the experience.

Yes I always have enjoyed the game, even after a few bad rounds which I relive in the 19th, time and time again as the liquid of life flows freely.

To allow yourself to be become reliant on a cart for your mobility around a course when you are fully able bodied is at a stroke killing more than half the enjoyment of the game. Not to mention the ability to quickly distress and to appreciate the course, its contours and fairways. All achieved by walking the course (not riding on cart tracks/paths which are not always in the middle of the fairways). This loss of this sensation which again in part conveys the feeling of the course first hand through to the player is I believe a great loss and reflection upon the satisfaction and ultimately the fun factor of the course.

As for the other aids, I again feel that yardage/distance information has so infected the modern golfer that he is now so dependent upon, to the extent that if distance info was removed you see how quickly it affects his game and ultimately his score. To play golf needing to know yardage information is in my opinion a self inflicted burden that just clutters the mind, blocking out what the eyes observe naturally and the brain quickly interprets the info before passing it on to the body. Lets face it after your have acquired the exact yardage from the latest electronic aid the eyes, brain and body co-ordination start all over again and reassess the whole image. If not then why does the player look to the target, then ball then target before taking the shot. The problem is that the brain overrides all this outside information and re calculates again before you take your shot. So why my friend do you want to stress yourself and fill your mind up with irrelevant information which you know will automatically be rechecked. For me its just totally pointless and the modern golfer is a slave to this practice, just how can that help in the enjoyment factors, its can’t because unless you are one of the 0.5% of top world class golfers you will be luck to hit target let alone get close.

Golf is IMHO a really enjoyable game, its opens the mind while de-stressing at the same time, it encourages gentle exercise while the more rapid blood circulation aids in a detox. All must add to a feel good factor increasing the overall enjoyment of the game.

Nevertheless is all down to the individual and what alter they pray at – I am a normal golfer following the traits of the game as it was handed down to me. Is it better than others, well I would say yes but then I would, yet my game is not cluttered, I am not a slave to cart or yardage aids and have tried to remain honest to the original traditions of the game as its been handed down to me by my family. My enjoyment of golf is also further increased by knowing that my game does not need outside help and what I achieve is the result of my own work – the whole point I would have thought in participating in sport.

Golf is enjoyable and fun, don’t believe me, then throw away your toys and give it a try, your game may suffer for a short while but will again pick up – it’s the only way to play a Game called Golf. 

As I said above "My enjoyment of golf is also further increased by knowing that my game does not need outside help and what I achieve is the result of my own work "

Melvyn

PS I get great amusement and enjoyment in watching players on cart, they remind me of birds of prey flocking after road kill. However the best and funniest is watching some use their electronic aids. There have been times that my friends and I have been in tears at some of their efforts, seeking distance/yardage fine but ignoring the wind and weather conditions is a receipt for disaster, but bloody funny.

Mac Plumart

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Re: WAY OT--Is Golf fun?
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2010, 10:02:19 AM »
Melvyn...in all sincerity thank you very much for sharing that with us.  You are so very correct (at least in my opinion). 

I had the opportunity last week to walk the course by myself and play 18.  Obviously, this isn't the first time I have done this...but nevertheless, everytime I do it...it is such an amazingly wonderful experience. 

I could go on and on about the things you wrote and how much I agree...but I'll simply post this quote from your post;

Golf is IMHO a really enjoyable game, its opens the mind while de-stressing at the same time, it encourages gentle exercise while the more rapid blood circulation aids in a detox. All must add to a feel good factor increasing the overall enjoyment of the game.

And, again, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the game.  I, for one, enjoy them immensely!!
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.