[Anthony Gray]

  What was your first impression?

  What surprised you?

  What disapointed you?

  How has it changed?

  What was your favorite hole?

  Any weak holes?

  Worth the money?

  Can you die in peace without playing it?

  Tell us about your experience.....

  Thanks....Anthony



    

[Richard Choi]

What is this "Peeble Beach" you speak of?

[Anthony Gray]

What is this "Peeble Beach" you speak of?

  Please forgive me for my disability Richard. There are some things I just don'y see.

  Anthony

[Richard Choi]

Anthony, you know we love ya, the quirks and all!!!

[Gary Slatter]

I'll bite Dr.
First time that I played was in 1975
and I was surprised by the dumpy pro shop and first hole and overall condition
The above disappointed me, I managed to play it again for the next few years in the World Pro Am and got to love the whole experience. My favourite hole was/is the 8th with 18 being memorable.
What has changed:  I returned 20 years later and found a different course, much greener, rates had gone up 400%, very posh, not as good a course as it was before all the nitrogen.
Worth the money: that is a meaningless question as money is relevant only to we poor folk and Peeble Beach is not for the poor. Are Toronto Raptor tickets too expensive?

What I did love was getting to play Cypress Point the day after the event.  It remains perfect and I will remember it as pure golf.  And i DIDN'T MIND THE 18TH HOLE OTHER THAN THE EXPERIENCE WAS OVER.

[Jeff Tang]

I've only played it once:

What was your first impression?

I knew a decent amount about the holes from seeing the course on TV but my first impression was more of a feel.  It's hard to describe but I also had the same feeling when I played TOC for the first time.  It was a feeling of comfort which I guess comes from seeing the course on TV and reading about it, etc.  While obviously a monstrously famous course it seemed like I had been there before or something and it was almost like playing a normal course, but of course it was so much better.


  What surprised you?

Just how short #7 is.


  What disapointed you?

The weather was overcast when I was there so I didn't get the full beauty of the place (played it in the Summer).  I went back another time to Monterey, not to play Pebble but I did go and look at the course, and it was a perfectly sunny day which was pretty cool.

Also, the view of #17 was disappointing since you can't really see much with the tee being as low as it is.


  How has it changed?

Only played it once.


  What was your favorite hole?

#8, but in order I also liked #'s 7 and 6.  Great stretch there.


  Any weak holes?

I thought 15 was the weakest.


  Worth the money?

I paid $350 (2003) but I'd have a hard time justifying something around $500 today.


  Can you die in peace without playing it?

I think it's a must play for any golf / architecture nut.


  Tell us about your experience.....

I managed to sneak in a 3 footer for par on #18 which was a great way to end the round.

Regarding the whole experiencen I also played Spyglass and Spanish Bay while out there.  I thought the whole Peninsula was very cool and was a great place to hang out.  After finishing Pebble going to the Tap Room for a drink and some Chili was great.  Earlier that week I had a great dinner in the bar at Spanish Bay looking out over the ocean, very cool too.

[Ian Andrew]

What was your first impression?

The ocean holes were even better than I expected. It was worth the effort and expense to play. I played with my Dad and that made it even better.

  What surprised you?

That a few of the holes like the 4 and 16 were better than expected. I also found it more playable than other famous courses – and still do.

  What disappointed you?

The par threes - although the 7th almost makes up for that single-handedly.

  How has it changed?

I’ve been back three times and seen a number of changes. I appreciate the interior holes more than I did before. The opportunity to try a shot you don’t get in one of the other rounds is a benefit to enjoying the course.

If you meant evolution - some of the Nicklaus work with the bunkering was good – the 5th is OK. The old 5th was fine and I never saw it as a weak point, but that’s just me I guess. The recent work like the 6th fairway bunkers was unbelievable disappointing. The most recent tinkering worries me a great deal.

What was your favorite hole?

The 4th is just great fun and the detailing is cool around the green

  Any weak holes?

It’s not perfect, but I like it the way it is. I’ve warmed up to a few holes with more trips to play it.

  Worth the money?

Yes – was to me.

  Can you die in peace without playing it?

Of course, but if you can afford to play there you should because it’s such a great experience

[Anthony Gray]

  On thing that stands out for be is the 2nd shot on 6. Wow is that uphill. No way tv does that shot justice. The slope is severe and was unexpected.

  Anthony

[Anthony Gray]

 Chivas,

  My wife played there. She is not a golfer. It was 4 years ago. Her last round of golf. Good point. If you can pay you can play. No proof of handicap. It is commercial.................But it is an awesome piece of land.

  Anthony

 

[Bruce Wellmon]

I've played it once. Maybe 16 years ago. We couldn't get on because we're not staying there. We're eating lunch overlooking the first tee. We've got a say 230 pm tee time at Spyglass as the back up. My wife goes" you guys are pathethic, just go bribe the starter." So we did. It works. He literally says "you guys are up next, but you have to hurry." (The 2some we are joining is on the tee). So we bolt to the car in the cart to get our clubs, change shoes while the starter drives us back. (3 of us sitting in the cart). Walk up to the tee. I take 2 practice swings.........and we're gone. Stone cold.

 
 

[Jeff Tang]

  On thing that stands out for be is the 2nd shot on 6. Wow is that uphill. No way tv does that shot justice. The slope is severe and was unexpected.

  Anthony

Good call on that, I totally agree.  WAY uphill on the second, I really love that hole.

[Michael Huber]

  What was your first impression?

Everyone looked very rich.

  What surprised you?

I knew there were houses around the holes at the course, but I was shocked at how big they were.  I expected #8 to be the pinnacle of drama, but when you are standing up there, you cant see the cliff and such.  It's much more dramatic from the green looking back.

  What disapointed you?

It was the first great course I have played, and I was extremely nervous.  My rental clubs were $75 or something like that, and they sucked pretty badly. 

  How has it changed?

I do not know.

  What was your favorite hole?

My favoritie drive I have ever hit in my life was on #6.  Such a very cool hole.  I also really thought #16 was super cool. 

  Any weak holes?

#2 struck me as a hole that could be on a local muni and not stand out.  A very ho hum hole.

  Worth the money?

I paid around $650 for the caddy, rental clubs, tips, etc. al.  Right after I played it, I decided that was a lot of money and probably would not do it again.  But if im ever on the monterey penninsula, hell yes i would play it again.

  Can you die in peace without playing it?

Sure.


I got to play the course this summer while visiting my now ex girlfriend was stationed at the Presidio iin Monterey.  I played Pebble the first day out there, and I was glad, because the rest of the vacation was pretty miserable and she ended up shit canning me a week aft I got back from vacation.  Thats a pretty sucky story.

[George Freeman]

    Any weak holes?

#15 and #7

Dave,

You thought #7 was weak?  During the AT&T event, I think I heard various announcers (pro golfers and otherwise) say about 346 times that #7 was one of the best short par 3s in all of golf.  It didn't inspire you at all eh?  Or was it that expectations were too high??

[Jason Topp]

  What was your first impression? Too bad it is cloudy and my ballstriking really sucks today

  What surprised you?3, 4 and 6 were better than I expected.  No matter what others say - old 5 was really goofy - a dogleg par three

  What disapointed you? 17 looks far less impressive in person than it does on TV - it is essentially a green on a football field

  How has it changed??

  What was your favorite hole? 8 - the 2nd shot

  Any weak holes?11 seemed boring to me. 

  Worth the money?Not when you are paying but you forget about the money after that point

  Can you die in peace without playing it?yes

  Tell us about your experience.....Got there early to get in line as a single.  I had not changed my watch from Central Time so I showed up at the gate at 17 mile drive at some crazy hour (like 4 in the morning) and it was closed.  Got on the course at around 7:15 and wanted to walk.  No caddy was available so they let me walk and carry.  I primarily remember playing poorly, enjoying my playing companions - a father and son, big houses, and the small greens. 

  Thanks....AnthonyYou are welcome ...... Jason



    
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[Adam Clayman]

The caddie should refuse to carry anyone who insists "its my bag you carry it". I've played it 20 or so times in all kinds of conditions. Be it weather or tournament v. Recreational. The greens come alive when rolling near 10. I've seen putts break ten feet more than when rolling near 8. The Rye/Blue  grass rough was a surprise. Reminded me of home.   

[George Freeman]

The caddie should refuse to carry anyone who insists "its my bag you carry it".

Adam,

I'm confused.  Isn't that what a Caddie does?

[TEPaul]

The first time I played it was maybe in the mid 1980s in something called The Gordon Gin World Pro-Am. My impression was pretty much what I expected. Nothing really surprised me about it but I had seen it pretty comprehensively for years on TV. The only things novel about it the first time were those holes that had never been televised, and I guess if anything comes to mind I felt some of the first few holes were not exactly anything that immediately jams itself into one's memory bank. It was interesting to me that that was also sort of my first impression of the first few holes of CPC.

[Anthony Gray]

The first time I played it was maybe in the mid 1980s in something called The Gordon Gin World Pro-Am. My impression was pretty much what I expected. Nothing really surprised me about it but I had seen it pretty comprehensively for years on TV. The only things novel about it the first time were those holes that had never been televised, and I guess if anything comes to mind I felt some of the first few holes were not exactly anything that immediately jams itself into one's memory bank. It was interesting to me that that was also sort of my first impression of the first few holes of CPC.
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  Tom.....if you have a minute and don't care to


 share the story about your father and Bobby Jones at the US amatuer.

  Anthony

[Mac Plumart]

I haven't played it yet...but in response to can you die in peace without having played it...the answer is NO!!! 

Is it worth the money?  Yes.  Why?  If you can't die in peace without having played it, then it is worth the money.  Even if the course isn't too my liking...at least I'll know that.

Now let's hear this Tom Paul/Bobby Jones story!!

[Adam Clayman]

The caddie should refuse to carry anyone who insists "its my bag you carry it".

Adam,

I'm confused.  Isn't that what a Caddie does?

I could fill the band width of stories of what people carry in their golf bag.

Maybe, if one only has the perspective of caddying as a youngster, Shivas' attitude will prevail. But, since these caddies are not kids anymore, and they usually carry double, having the proper balance and controlling exactly what is carried is very important. Don't discount the need for proper working pop out legs, either.

Honestly, If the client is going to refuse the first advice of the day, it's going to be a long day and will likely end up with the attitude Dave has towards the caddies at PB. That's why refusing the loop is the best move the caddy could make.

There is the famous story about the guy in Jamaica, who forgot to remove his dive weights that he stored in his golf bag for the plane ride after his previous trip in Hawaii. The caddy dropped the bag on the fifth hole.

I personally had a real doofus with a Louis Viton golf bag complete with gold trim. When I wanted to swap his bag he resisted. No problem. I told him that if I carried his bag around Pebble, I would need to take a week off of work.

BTW, That's not all caddies do, unless that is all you want then to do. And if that's all you want out of a caddy, why take one?
   

[Pat Burke]

The caddie should refuse to carry anyone who insists "its my bag you carry it".

Adam,

I'm confused.  Isn't that what a Caddie does?

I could fill the band width of stories of what people carry in their golf bag.

Maybe, if one only has the perspective of caddying as a youngster, Shivas' attitude will prevail. But, since these caddies are not kids anymore, and they usually carry double, having the proper balance and controlling exactly what is carried is very important. Don't discount the need for proper working pop out legs, either.

Honestly, If the client is going to refuse the first advice of the day, it's going to be a long day and will likely end up with the attitude Dave has towards the caddies at PB. That's why refusing the loop is the best move the caddy could make.

There is the famous story about the guy in Jamaica, who forgot to remove his dive weights that he stored in his golf bag for the plane ride after his previous trip in Hawaii. The caddy dropped the bag on the fifth hole.

I personally had a real doofus with a Louis Viton golf bag complete with gold trim. When I wanted to swap his bag he resisted. No problem. I told him that if I carried his bag around Pebble, I would need to take a week off of work.

BTW, That's not all caddies do, unless that is all you want then to do. And if that's all you want out of a caddy, why take one?
   

 

DS,
I had the same experience at Pebble and CPC the last time I played.  I use an izzo carry bag with legs, and I come up on the tee at CPC and the caddy has my stuff in a smaller bag
He's only carrying my bag, and my host has his regular caddy with 2 bags.   I'm a guest, so wtf.  BUT  (there's always a but) we get on #10, and I ask for a new ball (I hit it in 5 bunkers to that point ), and all he has is scraped up balls left.  He didn't bring any balls!.  I get migraines, and my advil is in my other bag at the clubhouse.  I wanted to throw the fucker off the cliff.  I caddied as a kid and had to lug around leather staff bags, I found it amazing that my carry bag that I can walk with was too much for BOTH my caddies (same thing at Pebble).  I did remember my medicine at Pebble though!

[jeffwarne]

The caddie should refuse to carry anyone who insists "its my bag you carry it".

Adam,

I'm confused.  Isn't that what a Caddie does?

I could fill the band width of stories of what people carry in their golf bag.

Maybe, if one only has the perspective of caddying as a youngster, Shivas' attitude will prevail. But, since these caddies are not kids anymore, and they usually carry double, having the proper balance and controlling exactly what is carried is very important. Don't discount the need for proper working pop out legs, either.

Honestly, If the client is going to refuse the first advice of the day, it's going to be a long day and will likely end up with the attitude Dave has towards the caddies at PB. That's why refusing the loop is the best move the caddy could make.

There is the famous story about the guy in Jamaica, who forgot to remove his dive weights that he stored in his golf bag for the plane ride after his previous trip in Hawaii. The caddy dropped the bag on the fifth hole.

I personally had a real doofus with a Louis Viton golf bag complete with gold trim. When I wanted to swap his bag he resisted. No problem. I told him that if I carried his bag around Pebble, I would need to take a week off of work.

BTW, That's not all caddies do, unless that is all you want then to do. And if that's all you want out of a caddy, why take one?
   

 

DS,
I had the same experience at Pebble and CPC the last time I played.  I use an izzo carry bag with legs, and I come up on the tee at CPC and the caddy has my stuff in a smaller bag
He's only carrying my bag, and my host has his regular caddy with 2 bags.   I'm a guest, so wtf.  BUT  (there's always a but) we get on #10, and I ask for a new ball (I hit it in 5 bunkers to that point ), and all he has is scraped up balls left.  He didn't bring any balls!.  I get migraines, and my advil is in my other bag at the clubhouse.  I wanted to throw the fucker off the cliff.  I caddied as a kid and had to lug around leather staff bags, I found it amazing that my carry bag that I can walk with was too much for BOTH my caddies (same thing at Pebble).  I did remember my medicine at Pebble though!

As I was told by my mentor, and I tell my staff (and caddies that work at our club)
We're not running the club for the benefit of the employees.
Switch out bags are my pet peeve, because ineviably something gets lost or a (soon to be ex)caddie walks by me on the way to the first tee and asks me to store a rain vest.

[Matt_Cohn]

I've only played three holes of Pebble Beach.  #'s 7, 17, and 18.

I guess the one thing I can add is that it's a shame most people will only get to play it once because the whole experience - the scenery, the history, the architecture - is too much to take everything in at once. It's just too much to think about, and in reality, in a beautiful place like that you really want your mind clear and relaxed, not working double-time trying to squeeze every minute out of the experience.

I'd say, better to just relax, enjoy your round, and think back on it later. You're bound to miss a few things, so don't worry about it.

[Jordan Wall]

 Chivas,

  My wife played there. She is not a golfer. It was 4 years ago. Her last round of golf. Good point. If you can pay you can play. No proof of handicap. It is commercial.................But it is an awesome piece of land.

  Anthony

 

Which one?

[Adam Clayman]

Jeff, I'm sure there's a difference between club caddying and resort caddying. We were not employees. Never once did any player of mine lose anything. Or, did I ever ask someone to store something for me. It was our responsibility to take care of everything. Something like a rain vest, which weighs nothing is silly not to carry.

I would always tell the client that they were welcome to bring anything they wanted to bring. Three dozen balls is not necessary.

Medicines wallets and other valuables were always safest in the bag being carried.

There's also avoiding the situation if something were to break. I would feel much better about breaking my change bag, then a clients bag.

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