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Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2010, 10:02:32 AM »
Bill those are feet not yards
How much it will cost depends on who builds it
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2010, 01:07:21 PM »
Bill those are feet not yards
How much it will cost depends on who builds it

Well that makes sense!   ;D ::)

Tom_Doak

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2010, 01:16:44 PM »
People seem surprised we would take this on.  How could we not?  It is a great program and a worthwhile cause on multiple levels, not just golf.  And two of my associates [Bruce Hepner and Brian Slawnik] grew up within 20 miles of the site.  All of which makes it a no-brainer to participate.

The design is mostly Brian Slawnik's.  It's a small site at the edge of Marygrove College, at the edge of the city.  It's not 60 acres, it's less than ten ... Mike N. is right that the scale is in feet.  The program uses a special ball ["Almost Golf"] that only flies 1/3 to 1/2 as far as normal, which reduces the liability AND allows us to fit much more into this space.  

Busy street to the east, entrance to the college along the north side, so we put the back of the practice tee to the street.  They like to practice in groups of 8-12, so we'll have one or two groups on the range tee, one group on the short-game course, and one on the putting green, then rotate them around.

The heroes in this deal are all the golf pros and assistants who donate their time to give lessons on a rotating basis.

I don't know exactly what it will cost as we have been working with them to figure out how to get interested parties to donate everything they need.  Our firm will do the shaping as well as the design.  We intend to build everything out of native soils, but if we have to, we may import some materials from the Country Club of Detroit project; they have a lot of extra fill material being created from coring out the greens and lowering the tees, which they were just planning to stockpile on-site.

Steve S:

No heated winter hitting bays, unless you want to make a donation.  ;)  I can't imagine the looks on their faces if we had proposed that.  They actually use a big auditorium / classroom to hit balls in right now; Brian says it's hilarious to watch the "Almost Golf" balls ricochet off the walls.

PCCraig

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2010, 02:49:51 PM »
People seem surprised we would take this on.  How could we not?  It is a great program and a worthwhile cause on multiple levels, not just golf.  And two of my associates [Bruce Hepner and Brian Slawnik] grew up within 20 miles of the site.  All of which makes it a no-brainer to participate.

The design is mostly Brian Slawnik's.  It's a small site at the edge of Marygrove College, at the edge of the city.  It's not 60 acres, it's less than ten ... Mike N. is right that the scale is in feet.  The program uses a special ball ["Almost Golf"] that only flies 1/3 to 1/2 as far as normal, which reduces the liability AND allows us to fit much more into this space. 

Busy street to the east, entrance to the college along the north side, so we put the back of the practice tee to the street.  They like to practice in groups of 8-12, so we'll have one or two groups on the range tee, one group on the short-game course, and one on the putting green, then rotate them around.

The heroes in this deal are all the golf pros and assistants who donate their time to give lessons on a rotating basis.

I don't know exactly what it will cost as we have been working with them to figure out how to get interested parties to donate everything they need.  Our firm will do the shaping as well as the design.  We intend to build everything out of native soils, but if we have to, we may import some materials from the Country Club of Detroit project; they have a lot of extra fill material being created from coring out the greens and lowering the tees, which they were just planning to stockpile on-site.

Steve S:

No heated winter hitting bays, unless you want to make a donation.  ;)  I can't imagine the looks on their faces if we had proposed that.  They actually use a big auditorium / classroom to hit balls in right now; Brian says it's hilarious to watch the "Almost Golf" balls ricochet off the walls.


Interesting that the course is being designed with "Almost Golf" balls in mind. They don't fly very far so those short holes could play like par-4s. And they certainly won't damage the greens too much when they land. I actually bought a pack of them last winter and hit balls in my building's racquet ball court...catch one right they do come back quick!

Again, I hope this starts a trend...as this is the #1 way to grow the game IMO. 
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rchesnut

Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2010, 12:53:17 AM »
Thank you for doing this Tom, it's inspiring to read this. 

Bill Brightly

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2010, 11:44:57 AM »
Awesome!

I couldn't help but chuckle at this classic understatement:

"Doak warns that his putting surfaces will have some movement." :)


Richard Choi

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2010, 02:28:10 PM »
Question for you Tom.

Is this design something that can be used in other sites? Or is this something that is pretty specific to this site? I would think with something of this nature, being unique or original is not a goal. If this layout works well, I would love to see other organizations of the similar nature use it again and again.

Garland Bayley

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2010, 04:18:50 PM »
Leave it to Tom to make the kids take the cart back from the last green to the club house!  :o ::)
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2010, 05:16:36 PM »
Richard,
There are many details specific to the site - SAFETY, trees, slopes, drainage.
I don't think they broke the bank generating the sketch.

Tom,
Is there going to be irrigation?

Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Tim Nugent

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2010, 05:24:23 PM »
Leave it to Tom to make the kids take the cart back from the last green to the club house!  :o ::)

Hey Tom, looks like Garland is donating a clubhouse ;D and a cart ;D ;D

By "almost golf" ball are you referring to the Bill Amick "Cayman Ball"?

See my PM
Coasting is a downhill process

Garland Bayley

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2010, 12:33:13 PM »
Leave it to Tom to make the kids take the cart back from the last green to the club house!  :o ::)

Hey Tom, looks like Garland is donating a clubhouse ;D and a cart ;D ;D

By "almost golf" ball are you referring to the Bill Amick "Cayman Ball"?

See my PM

Tim,

I think Tom would get the reference to his having left the 18th green at a site in Michigan far from the club house, and to his practice of  reducing his fee if he doesn't have to do cart paths (not to mention it is probably illegal for these kids to drive carts).

Tom,

In spite of my trying to make fun, I am thankful whenever you or your peers do something like this.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Ken Moum

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2010, 02:58:17 PM »
By "almost golf" ball are you referring to the Bill Amick "Cayman Ball"?

See my PM

No, these are a medium-density foam ball that makes a decent click when struck, but doesn't go very far. Dave Pelz has been amrketing them for some time, under his brand. See http://www.almostgolf.com/

They come in colors, too.

Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Brian Joines

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2010, 07:06:42 PM »
There is another excellent article in the month's Golf Magazine about the Midnight Golf program. It's an inspiring story and it's great to see Tom and his crew so generously offer their services to the group. Great Work!

I tried to find the link to the article on their website but it doesn't seem to be up yet.

Steve Lang

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2010, 08:27:50 PM »
 8) If we can sponsor a young aussie to get to bandon... how about some $ or clubs for a well intentioned practice facility ?
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Adam Clayman

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2010, 11:51:20 PM »
I'm down with that idea Seve.

Anyone in Detroit want to be lead?

Any updates on this thing has progressed?
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Brent Carlson

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2010, 01:03:44 AM »
Thanks Tom Doak and crew.  What a fantastic idea for the kids in the city.  The game of golf will continue to do great things in the lives of young people.

Don_Mahaffey

Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2010, 09:09:08 AM »
Tom,
What a great project. Any updates? Have you started the work? I may be in the area in the next few weeks and would like to have look if possible. 

Tom_Doak

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2010, 09:52:21 AM »
Don:

We have been trying to get the work to coincide with our work at the Country Club of Detroit, which starts in July. 

I think we have to do a bit of work this month for Midnight Golf, because the college is building a new soccer field next to the golf site and there are going to be some mounds that separate the two and serve as bleachers for the soccer ... and we volunteered to shape the mounds so they'd look good from both sides.  Then, the rest of the work will happen in August so it can be planted out in early September.

I have been getting way too much credit for this for the time I've invested in it.  My associate Brian Slawnik is the one who has been advancing the ball; Brian is from Detroit and he was all over this from the day I mentioned it to him.

Brett_Morrissy

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2010, 09:48:27 AM »
Tom,
was there any thoughts or consideration for a Himilayas type putting green, surely a great way for people to play the game?

Cheers
Brett
@theflatsticker

Howard Riefs

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2011, 10:19:46 AM »
The facility at Marygrove in downtown Detroit opened this week. Congrats to Tom and Renaissance on an inspiring project! 

http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/article/0,28136,2096342,00.html?cid=feed-tours_news-20111007-2096342&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Tom_Doak

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2011, 10:52:05 AM »
I said in my [brief] speech Monday that I have gotten way too much credit for this; it's Renee Fluker's vision and fundraising, and the support of local PGA pros that has made it successful for several years now.  Our contribution is just the icing on the cake. 

I just hope the course can take all the traffic.  There are 140 high schoolers in Midnight Golf this fall!  They come out two nights a week [Monday and Wednesday] for mentoring, golf, study, dinner and a ride home.  It is really an amazing program.

Paul Jones

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2011, 11:08:45 AM »
This is what I think of when people say Encouraging or Growing the Game of Golf.

Well Done Tom !!!
Paul Jones
pauljones@live.com

Tim Bert

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2011, 01:05:00 PM »
This is a great story and a great outcome. My town has a fun 9 hole, par 3 course that is geared towards introducing kids to the game. Every city needs and deserves some type of 4, 6, or 9 hole facility to cater to the attention span of kids and also help golf compete with other sports for kids' "share of mind."

John Mayhugh

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2011, 01:16:26 PM »
Nice story.  Future Renaissance Cup site? 

Doug Wright

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Re: Nice Job Tom Doak
« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2011, 02:14:30 PM »
Great project, well done!
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