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Bart Bradley

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Is there such a thing as features which are too bold?
« on: January 31, 2010, 10:48:47 AM »
Today's theory:

Bold features make for fun shots.

Supporting logic:

Raynor courses are fun to play.  The features on Raynor courses are bold.  Therefore,  bold features are fun to play.

Discuss.

Bart

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Tom_Doak

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Re: Is there such a thing as features which are too bold?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 11:04:03 AM »
Bart:

The corollary to that is that bold features are more expensive to maintain.  So there's got to be a balance.
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Ed Oden

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Re: Is there such a thing as features which are too bold?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 11:25:05 AM »
Bart, I agree on Raynor.  Its interesting that his boldest features are so clearly man-made.  Yet they still work.  Is that a credit strictly to brashness or his ability to imbed those features with solid design principles?  I am inclined to say its the latter.  It seems to me he was incredibly adept at making his boldest features among the most strategic elements of a course.  I doubt boldness merely for the sake of being bold would work anywhere near as well.

Ed
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Matthew Hunt

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Re: Is there such a thing as features which are too bold?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 12:12:54 PM »
Raynor's bunker's are not that easy on the eye, but prhaps they were never intended to be.
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Eric Smith

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Re: Is there such a thing as features which are too bold?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2010, 12:19:00 PM »


I wouldn't be upset to see bold used like this when I reached the tee.
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Phil_the_Author

Re: Is there such a thing as features which are too bold?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2010, 12:47:00 PM »
Mike Young would both be thrilled and surprised to see himself mentioned on this thread, but after going through the first few posts I immediately thought of his 17th hole at Long Shadow. (I don't have a photo) A wonderful long par-3 with a 10,000+ sq. ft. punchbowl green guarded in front by a bunker that looks like it was created by a meteor strike... It is a fantastic hole and "bold" as a description of its features simply doesn't seem enough...
« Last Edit: January 31, 2010, 09:27:51 PM by Philip Young »
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Carl Rogers

Re: Is there such a thing as features which are too bold?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 01:22:59 PM »
Contrast the Royal St. George's pic with the typical Trump waterfall for a moment (but only a moment!).

Doesn't the supporting cast of of forms create a plausible rationale for the big gesture? 
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John Mayhugh

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Re: Is there such a thing as features which are too bold?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 07:30:58 PM »
I agree that boldness just for the sake of doing it doesn't work.  But combined with good design, I think it increases the thrill of playing the course.  Bold hazards, for example, work well because it's pretty tough to ignore them.

Philip,
Certainly a memorable hole.
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Phil_the_Author

Re: Is there such a thing as features which are too bold?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 09:28:20 PM »
John,

Thanks for posting the photo!
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Wade Whitehead

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Re: Is there such a thing as features which are too bold?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2010, 09:51:30 PM »
Mike Strantz understood Bart's premise as well as any modern designer.

WW
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